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GodsGrace101

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Budman said:
In the end, you're a coward Fran. You don't have the moral fortitude to admit you were wrong. Tells us all a lot about your character.

Want to make me eat my words? Post a link from an official Catholic source that says the decrees of the Council of Trent are rescinded.
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I'm not here to ME and take abuse from you.
Please don't post to me anymore.
 
Budman

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GodsGrace101 said:
I also explained why Mr. Budman.
Maybe you don't understand English very well?
I posted a lot of scripture too...don't you even believe the N.T.??
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I wasn't answering you, Fran. I was answering Justpassingthrough who claimed you never said that.
 
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In that day you will say: "I will praise you, LORD. Although you were angry with me, your anger has turned away and you have comforted me.
Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid. The LORD, the LORD himself, is my strength and my defense; he has become my salvation." Isaiah 12 vs 1 & 2
 
dcontroversal

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GodsGrace101 said:
I'll only say this H,

When the CC stated that,,,there was only ONE christian church, in case you didn't know.
So yes, OUTSIDE the church there was no salvation.
Because those were the atheists.
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HAHAH wow.....funny if not so tragically wrong..............
 
GodsGrace101

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Budman said:
Wrong yet again. The Catholic Church teaches that without the Sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church, no one can be saved.

You are terrible at this.
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For the benefit of those reading along...
I will NOT engage you in this matter,
but I guarantee you that YOU ARE WRONG.

Anyone interested can check this out on their own.
 
Hevosmies

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Budman said:
Wrong yet again. The Catholic Church teaches that without the Sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church, no one can be saved.

You are terrible at this.
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True. This is their official position. However: You can also alternatively:

1. Follow the Pope on twitter OR
2. CUT THAT CHECK.

Cut a big enough check and the Pope will let Mary know. Peter wont let you in through the pearly gates, but Mary will open the backdoor to heaven and let you in on cue when the Pope asks her nicely.
 
GodsGrace101

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Budman said:
What part of "faith apart from works" don't you get?

To add anything to faith alone is a work.
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Yes...as I was discussing with a member here...
to some on this thread
LOVE
is a work...

And Jesus clearly told us LOVE is necessary:


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Mathew 23:37-39 Jesus said:
37And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’
38“This is the great and foremost commandment.
39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’
40“On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
 
Budman

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GodsGrace101 said:
Yes.
Please post how those outside the CC are not saved.
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Okay!

CCC #1129 "The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. "

Do evangelical Christians partake of the seven sacraments of the RCC? Do Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, or the followers of any other religion partake of the sacraments of the RCC?

Without confession, mass, penance, etc. (reconciliation) no one can get their sins forgiven.

Which means, no salvation.
 
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Budman said:
Okay!

CCC #1129 "The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. "

Do evangelical Christians partake of the seven sacraments of the RCC? Do Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, or the followers of any other religion partake of the sacraments of the RCC?

Without confession, mass, penance, etc. (reconciliation) no one can get their sins forgiven.

Which means, no salvation.
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Oy vey!. The sacraments. Catholics are big on the ritual circus. This is probably the biggest pyramid scheme in the world. Its a close contender with the prosperity preachers!
 
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dcontroversal said:
That is not a fair assessment Fran.....NO ONE has said or fought against obeying GOD.....this thread is about how ONE actually is saved eternally and the bible is clear....

It pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE

For with the heart "MIND" man BELIEVES unto righteousness and with the MOUTH confession is made UNTO SALVATION

In the grace you are, HAVING BEEN SAVED BY FAITH, and that NOT of YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of GOD and NOT of works lest any man should BOAST

NOT by works of righteousness which we HAVE DONE, but according to his mercy HAS HE SAVED US

WE ARE SAVED by FAITH to SERVE, OUR WORKS have NOTHING to do with SAVING US or KEEPING US SAVED, but are the RESULTS OF being saved

PLEASE quit misrepresenting us and being deceitful about what we actually believe and teach...........!
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"NO ONE" - Over a 88000 posts and none have said we do not have to obey God?
I think you are not reading.

And the faith is about being like Jesus as our goal. Is this your goal, daily?
How can I be like Jesus today?

And when those who say we cannot be like our Father in heaven and our aim is not perfection,
then this actually means we are not obeying God.

So my friend, are you aiming at perfection as Paul calls us to.
Do you desire to walk in holiness and purity?

Now it is between you and God and your walk how, when and where you achieve your victories
and goals, but our calling appears clear.

And this my brother is my question to you. Are you desiring to be perfect?

If you cannot answer this, or want to avoid a clear testimony of following Jesus and walking in His
steps, then where is your claim to know and be born again?

For a preacher such as yourself, swinging the sword of faith, these simple foundations should be
simple........ but maybe things are not as they appear to be ........
 
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Budman said:
Oh, and plus that whole thing about if one believes that faith alone justifies, they are anathema.

Which means damned.
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It is impossible to know the untold billions of people have been led into error by the Catholic church..............even now they worship a man on this earth as God............
 
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dcontroversal said:
A statement of fact is a statement of fact.............you said it, and the result is the same, regardless of how you concluded that......
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JOHN BEATS HIS WIFE EVERY TUESDAY......

JOHN BEATS HIS WIFE EVERY TUESDAY AT CHESS.


It's not the same.
As another member on here has also stated..
And he's right.

Post everything or nothing....
 
Budman

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dcontroversal said:
It is impossible to know the untold billions of people have been led into error by the Catholic church..............even now they worship a man on this earth as God............
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It is sad indeed. They have to jump through so many hoops, and even after death, must burn in the fires of Purgatory to "purge" them from any sins left over that they still had to pay for.
 
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dcontroversal said:
You know.....there are two types of hope portrayed in this thread .......the biblical hope and then the type of hope one has when they buy a lottery ticket......

Biblical HOPE ---> A confident expectation of something GUARANTEED <---Eternal salvation by grace through faith and biblical

Lottery Hope --->Say I believe and then work like h--- and HOPE I make it in the end <---Workers for and salvation losers
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elpis: expectation, hope
Original Word: ἐλπίς, ίδος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: elpis
Phonetic Spelling: (el-pece')
Definition: expectation, hope
Usage: hope, expectation, trust, confidence.
 
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dcontroversal said:
It is impossible to know the untold billions of people have been led into error by the Catholic church..............even now they worship a man on this earth as God............
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The Pope is actually the King of the Sovereign Vatican City as well as the head of the RC Church.
 
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