Gay wedding

[kaylagrl]

Are you implying that God has more love for you? He without sin? are you the one without sin that you can cast judgement on another? I do believe Jesus said this...

Are you implying that God has more love for you?

Point out to me where I said that? Never said any such thing. So you're trying to score points off of something that was not said and not implied.

are you the one without sin that you can cast judgement on another?.

Once again you're judging while accusing others of doing so. Homosexuality has already been judged as sin. Done,period over. A Christian who fails and sins is under the Blood, unless their sin is a lifestyle. A person who is not saved is not under the Blood. They are lost and will be eternally lost if someone doesn't tell the the truth of God's word. Are you the one that will keep the truth from them and let them slide into eternal hell?!

 

[exegete]

After this, Jesus went out and saw a tax collector by the name of Levi sitting at his tax booth. “Follow me,” Jesus said to him, and Levi got up, left everything and followed him. Then Levi held a great banquet for Jesus at his house, and a large crowd of tax collectors and others were eating with them. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?” Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” (Luke 5:27-32, cf. Matt 9:9-13 and Mark 2:13-17)

To eat or dine with someone in Jesus’ day was much more of a statement than it is today. In those days, it was a public sign saying “these are my people – I belong with them, (or to them).” If one were to be thought religiously devout, you did not eat with “tax collectors and sinners.” A tax collector then was not only hated because they overcharged taxes and skimmed from them but also because they were paid government snitches – they regularly betrayed their own people, which naturally was a sin according to Jewish law.

What don’t we find in this account? Jesus getting up and walking out. Jesus saying “Get out of here you filthy, worthless people! Don’t you know who I am? Don’t you know what the scriptures say about what you’re doing? You’re all going to burn in hell !!” and then proceed to quote the Old Testament on why He was right and so much superior than everyone else.

No. He put the ‘righteous people’ in their place and showed everyone else His unconditional love. As people who call Christ our Lord, we should do the same.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

I may be alone in this viewpoint, but I think homosexuality is actually God's judgement on wicked men who as Romans put it "suppress the truth by their own unrighteousness". It happens when people turn so far away from God (as a society) that He turns them over to their own evil lusts and desires. If I am wrong in this, please feel free to correct me, but this is just a supposition I have.

Heres a sadly common scenario. A young boy gets molested by a male family member, family friend or maybe even one of his own friends. Because of this act perpetrated against this boy he grows up wondering if he's gay and eventually accepts this notion and lives a homosexual lifestyle.
So if it's proven that sexual assault by the same gender can lead to sexual confusion in children then that's to say (by your logic) God is punishing these children. God is sending same sex pedophiles after these kids to push them into homosexuality to punish them for the sins of society?
I thought sin was a result of our sin nature. I don't remember ever seeing where sin was a punishment.

 

[Waggles]

If you were being married, I'm sure he would attend and not stay away because of the "straight issue".
Go because he is your nephew and you love him.

Jesus would never go to a homosexual wedding - and neither would any true disciple
1: a homosexual wedding is an abomination; an affront to the righteousness of God
2: homosexual love and sex is unclean and un-Godly
3: no God fearing disciple would lend any credence or acceptance to what these two moral deviants are doing
4: if you truly love a homosexual member of your family you would preach the gospel of salvation to them
5: the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, but fools shall die for lack of instruction.

 

[kaylagrl]

After this, Jesus went out and saw a tax collector by the name of Levi sitting at his tax booth. “Follow me,” Jesus said to him, and Levi got up, left everything and followed him. Then Levi held a great banquet for Jesus at his house, and a large crowd of tax collectors and others were eating with them. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?” Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” (Luke 5:27-32, cf. Matt 9:9-13 and Mark 2:13-17)

To eat or dine with someone in Jesus’ day was much more of a statement than it is today. In those days, it was a public sign saying “these are my people – I belong with them, (or to them).” If one were to be thought religiously devout, you did not eat with “tax collectors and sinners.” A tax collector then was not only hated because they overcharged taxes and skimmed from them but also because they were paid government snitches – they regularly betrayed their own people, which naturally was a sin according to Jewish law.

What don’t we find in this account? Jesus getting up and walking out. Jesus saying “Get out of here you filthy, worthless people! Don’t you know who I am? Don’t you know what the scriptures say about what you’re doing? You’re all going to burn in hell !!” and then proceed to quote the Old Testament on why He was right and so much superior than everyone else.

No. He put the ‘righteous people’ in their place and showed everyone else His unconditional love. As people who call Christ our Lord, we should do the same.

To eat or dine with someone in Jesus’ day was much more of a statement than it is today. In those days, it was a public sign saying “these are my people – I belong with them, (or to them).”

Jesus ministry was to sinners, there was no doubt about that. But to say He was saying he identified sinners as "His people" is going too far. The Bible says He came to seek and save. Secondly Jesus was extremely direct when he spoke to sinners. He didn't water down the message,He didn't "tolerate" sin. He told they were lost and in need of a Savior. He said "go thy way and sin no more". People are repainting Jesus as some secular, soft spoken,not wanting to offend, easygoing guy. That's not what the Bible says. Jesus was clear on sin and He left no doubt as to His meaning.

 

[kaylagrl]

Heres a sadly common scenario. A young boy gets molested by a male family member, family friend or maybe even one of his own friends. Because of this act perpetrated against this boy he grows up wondering if he's gay and eventually accepts this notion and lives a homosexual lifestyle.
So if it's proven that sexual assault by the same gender can lead to sexual confusion in children then that's to say (by your logic) God is punishing these children. God is sending same sex pedophiles after these kids to push them into homosexuality to punish them for the sins of society?
I thought sin was a result of our sin nature. I don't remember ever seeing where sin was a punishment.

Sin is a choice. Always a choice or God is a liar.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

Sin is a choice. Always a choice or God is a liar.

Not really my point. Please read context.

 

[Waggles]

To eat or dine with someone in Jesus’ day was much more of a statement than it is today. In those days, it was a public sign saying “these are my people – I belong with them, (or to them).”

This still applies today. With whom you hangout and visit them in their homes, etc is most certainly declaring who are
your people, who are your 'family.' That's why birds of a feather flock together .. drug users hangout with other users, gang members
are at home with other gang members, homosexuals hangout with other homosexuals both in private and in public places.

In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea,
2 Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mark 3:1 (ESV)
20 But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
21 I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality.
22 Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works,
23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.
Revelation 2 (ESV)

 

[kaylagrl]

Not really my point. Please read context.

I don't think I missed the context at all. If so please point it out.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

I don't think I missed the context at all. If so please point it out.

The context was Clearly Not about whether or not homosexuality is a choice or not. I can say that. How do i know that? Because i wrote it and know what i was thinking and my intentions while doing so. So i'm feeling confident that you missed my intent and context since i see no connection between what i wrote and how you responded. Feel free to continue insisting you know my intent and context better than i do, but it will make you look foolish.
If you go re-read you'll see i was responding to someone who referred to homosexuality as a 'punishment from god' and asked that anyone that can refute it to do so. So, using a real life example of what sometimes happens, i applied that to his claim. The end result being that his viewpoint would suggest that if homosexuality is a punishment, then children who are sexually abused by the same gender grow up confused and commonly turn to homosexuality means that god is punishing little children by having them engage in gay acts that can cause them to turn to homosexuality.
How you get that the context of that is a debate as to whether or not homosexuality, as a whole, is a choice or not is beyond me. I'm not sure how to make it any clearer, though it was pretty clear the first time. If you're still not grasping the obvious i'd encourage you to A) go learn the meaning of context and B) go watch some videos on reading comprehension.

 

[1christian1]

Point out to me where I said that? Never said any such thing. So you're trying to score points off of something that was not said and not implied.




Once again you're judging while accusing others of doing so. Homosexuality has already been judged as sin. Done,period over. A Christian who fails and sins is under the Blood, unless their sin is a lifestyle. A person who is not saved is not under the Blood. They are lost and will be eternally lost if someone doesn't tell the the truth of God's word. Are you the one that will keep the truth from them and let them slide into eternal hell?!

What happened to " Done, Period , Over. " LOL...

 

[kaylagrl]

What happened to " Done, Period , Over. " LOL...

The sentence was "Homosexuality has already been judged as sin. Done,period over."

The subject of homosexuality being judged as sin is done,period,over. Not the conversation, since apparently there are people here who are Christians that either don't know its sin or don't want to admit it's sin.

 

[1christian1]

The sentence was "Homosexuality has already been judged as sin. Done,period over."

The subject of homosexuality being judged as sin is done,period,over. Not the conversation, since apparently there are people here who are Christians that either don't know its sin or don't want to admit it's sin.

Are you familiar with the phrase "hate the sin and not the sinner" LOL... Jesus protected tax collectors and whores... When are you people going to get this. Jesus is all about love one another as brothers and sisters. This is what God asks of us...

 

[1christian1]

Are you familiar with the phrase "hate the sin and not the sinner" LOL... Jesus protected tax collectors and whores... When are you people going to get this. Jesus is all about love one another as brothers and sisters. This is what God asks of us...

A simple thing to ask of us. don't know why we can't seem to manage this simple thing...

 

[kaylagrl]

The context was Clearly Not about whether or not homosexuality is a choice or not. I can say that. How do i know that? Because i wrote it and know what i was thinking and my intentions while doing so. So i'm feeling confident that you missed my intent and context since i see no connection between what i wrote and how you responded. Feel free to continue insisting you know my intent and context better than i do, but it will make you look foolish.
If you go re-read you'll see i was responding to someone who referred to homosexuality as a 'punishment from god' and asked that anyone that can refute it to do so. So, using a real life example of what sometimes happens, i applied that to his claim. The end result being that his viewpoint would suggest that if homosexuality is a punishment, then children who are sexually abused by the same gender grow up confused and commonly turn to homosexuality means that god is punishing little children by having them engage in gay acts that can cause them to turn to homosexuality.
How you get that the context of that is a debate as to whether or not homosexuality, as a whole, is a choice or not is beyond me. I'm not sure how to make it any clearer, though it was pretty clear the first time. If you're still not grasping the obvious i'd encourage you to A) go learn the meaning of context and B) go watch some videos on reading comprehension.

The context was Clearly Not about whether or not homosexuality is a choice or not. I can say that. How do i know that? Because i wrote it and know what i was thinking and my intentions while doing so. So i'm feeling confident that you missed my intent and context since i see no connection between what i wrote and how you responded. Feel free to continue insisting you know my intent and context better than i do, but it will make you look foolish.

Are we Christians here or did I miss something? I asked you to tell me what I missed. You seem to be taking glee at correcting me. I asked a simple question. I expected a mature answer. It seems you are not capable of that.

The Bible says there is a point where people will be given over to reprobate minds. If that isn't homosexuality I don't know what is.

Romans -For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

I may be wrong but that sounds like punishment to me.

 

[kaylagrl]

Are you familiar with the phrase "hate the sin and not the sinner" LOL... Jesus protected tax collectors and whores... When are you people going to get this. Jesus is all about love one another as brothers and sisters. This is what God asks of us...

Where did anyone here say anything about hate?! Not one person here has talked about hate other than you. No,Jesus was not all about love only,He was also about judgment. He told sinners to STOP SINNING. He did not tolerate their sin,he did not "protect" them from the truth of their sin. Jesus was direct, "Go thy way and SIN NO MORE". You're twisting the Bible to say something it doesn't.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

Are we Christians here or did I miss something? I asked you to tell me what I missed. You seem to be taking glee at correcting me. I asked a simple question. I expected a mature answer. It seems you are not capable of that.

The Bible says there is a point where people will be given over to reprobate minds. If that isn't homosexuality I don't know what is.

Romans -For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

I may be wrong but that sounds like punishment to me.

The way I understand it, it's God stepping back and letting them do what they wanted to do anyway, since they did not acknowledge Him as God. He "gave them up" to their own passions and to a debased mind, basically letting them go their own way. "Leaving them to their own devices" if you will. I see it not so much as inflicting a punishment, but letting the people essentially punish themselves through their own sin destroying them, because they knew about God but did not glorify Him as such.

 

[kaylagrl]

The way I understand it, it's God stepping back and letting them do what they wanted to do anyway, since they did not acknowledge Him as God. He "gave them up" to their own passions and to a debased mind, basically letting them go their own way. "Leaving them to their own devices" if you will. I see it not so much as inflicting a punishment, but letting the people essentially punish themselves through their own sin destroying them, because they knew about God but did not glorify Him as such.

I'd say you have it about right. Sin is a judgement we bring on ourselves if we continue in sin and do not repent.

 

[Waggles]

Are you familiar with the phrase "hate the sin and not the sinner" LOL... Jesus protected tax collectors and whores... When are you people going to get this. Jesus is all about love one another as brothers and sisters. This is what God asks of us...

That is rather shallow feel good gospel built upon shifting sand.
Go back and read your gospels again. Jesus had a lot more to say about sin, repentance, righteousness, salvation, judgement.
The apostles go on further to write of the fundamental necessity for the Church of God to be pure, chaste, clean without spot
or wrinkle. Homosexual nephews ought to read the gospels and the epistles as well … and tremble.

3 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints.
4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.
5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
7 Therefore do not become partners with them;
8 for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light
9 (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true),
10 and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord.
11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
12 For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret.
13 But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible,
14 for anything that becomes visible is light. ...
Ephesians 5 (ESV)

 

[ToastAndTea]

I'd say you have it about right. Sin is a judgement we bring on ourselves if we continue in sin and do not repent.

The poster who replied to my post was trying to say that some boys are molested at a young age and therefore grow up confused and broken, so in a sense, this lifestyle is "thrust upon them". So in that sense the fact that they are how they are is not their decision ( I mean who asks to be destroyed in that way?). However, what they miss is that sometimes the evil decisions of others affect us (whether we like it or not). So, in a sense, homosexuality affects everyone not just the sinner. It destroys the person and it destroys everyone around them. This is the awful fate of rejecting God and his precepts.