Not By Works

[FollowHisSteps]

Ley me know when you make it a single day without committing a single sin in thought, word, or deed.
Telling them the truth that they will continue to sin until they leave this earth is abuse to you?
Should they face the truth or bury their heads in the sand and say "nyah, nyah, nyahhh"?
They're not my "issues" it's biblical truth. So, if anyone wants to sue me for saying they still sin - they can knock themselves out.
The Bible says if you say you are without sin you are deceiving yourself and the truth is not in you.
But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with this question:
Do you still sin?

Bud, you failed to be specific.

Now I can never say I am sinless, even if I was, because only the Father can say this.
We can say what the issues we are dealing with at present, but probably sin is not one of them.

So if you cannot be specific about breaking any of the 10 commandments today or any other written
principle today, then you did not sin.

If I was ill in bed, reading and sleeping, have I sinned? Have I hurt another, or caused them harm?
Now I could remember things or dwell on things that are not good, that might go into sin, or it might
just be thinking things through.

The problem is one phrase, self fulfilling prophecy. I have a problem with ...... and then you cannot stop
thinking about it, because you focused on the problem. So you can end up in unhealthy spirals of thoughts
and condemnation, which is self destructive, but no sin, repenting, confession cycles.

But my suggestion is resolving issues is not peoples game, rather wallowing in them, and keeping things
as they are is safer. Which is probably what is really going on, and not facing Jesus and life transformation.

 

[dcontroversal]

Wow, it just gets worse. I mean really?

Judas said no to the gospel

Peter said yes and recieved it,

And peter has a worse sin?

I seen that and thought to myself the cherry on the cake of ignorance......and he claims to be a preacher and knows the truth....WOW man...........He must have been ordained through the mail or something.....

 

[Goodnewsman]

He can preach it and not believe it. And people can certainly get saved from hearing the message.

Are you avoiding the question?? Can a man preach full of the Spirit of God and not be saved?

 

[dcontroversal]

Go

Sure. But the question was:
Does God love a murderer? I believe He does not due to His nature...one of which qualities is justice.



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GOD HATES ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY Psalms 5:5

THE BIBLE SAYS GOD HATES SINNERS, NOT JUST THE SIN:

Leviticus 20:23: And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nations which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I ABHORRED THEM.

Leviticus 26:14-30: If ye will not hearken unto Me, and will not do all these commandments; And if ye shall despise My statutes, or if your soul abhor My judgments, so that ye will not do all My commandments, but that ye break My covenant, I also will do this to you... [send plagues, famine, drought, destructive armies, wild beasts who shall devour your children, pestilence, captivity in a cruel land...] And if ye will not for all this hearken unto Me, but walk contrary to Me; Then I WILL WALK CONTRARY TO YOU IN FURY... I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcasses upon the carcasses of your idols, and MY SOUL SHALL ABHOR YOU.

Deuteronomy 18:12 For all that do these things are an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD, and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Deuteronomy 25:16: ...ALL THAT DO UNRIGHTEOUSLY ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD.

Deuteronomy 28:62-63: Because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God... it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will the Lord will REJOICE OVER YOU TO DESTROY YOU, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. (In Deuteronomy 27, 28, and 29, 124 CURSES are promised upon the Jews who refused to obey Gods commandments.)

Deuteronomy 32:16-20: They provoked Him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations they provoked Him to ANGER... And when the Lord saw it [people sacrificing to devils - v.17], HE ABHORRED THEM...

Psalm 2:4-9: The Lord that sits in the heavens shall LAUGH [at rebellious men]: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His WRATH, and VEX THEM IN HIS SORE DISPLEASURE... [and Christ shall] break them with a rod of iron: Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potters vessel.

Psalm 5:5-6: The foolish shall not stand in Thy sight: THOU HATEST ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY. Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (lies): THE LORD WILL ABHOR THE BLOODY AND DECEITFUL MAN.

Psalm 7:11-13: ...God is ANGRY with the wicked every day. If he turn not, He will whet His sword; He hath bent His bow, and made it ready. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; He ordaineth His arrows against the persecutors.

Psalm 10:3: For the wicked... blesseth the covetous, WHOM THE LORD ABHORRETH.

Psalm 11:5-7: The Lord trieth the righteous: but THE WICKED AND HIM THAT LOVETH VIOLENCE HIS SOUL HATETH. Upon the wicked He shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. For the righteous Lord loveth righteousness...

Psalm 50:22: Now consider this, ye that forget God, LEST I TEAR YOU IN PIECES, AND THERE BE NONE TO DELIVER.

Psalm 78:59: When God heard this He was wroth, and GREATLY ABHORRED ISRAEL.

Psalm 106:40: Therefore was the wrath of the Lord kindled against His people, insomuch that HE ABHORRED HIS OWN INHERITANCE.

Proverbs 3:32-33: For the froward is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD... The CURSE OF THE LORD is in the house of the wicked: but He blesseth the habitation of the just.

Proverbs 6:16-19: These six things doth THE LORD HATE: yea, seven are AN ABOMINATION TO HIM... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among the brethren.

Proverbs 16:5: Every one that is proud in heart is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Proverbs 17:5: He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are ABOMINATION TO THE LORD.

Proverbs 22:14: The soul of strange women is a deep pit: HE THAT IS ABHORRED OF THE LORD shall fall therein.

Jeremiah 17:5: Thus saith the Lord, CURSED BE THE MAN that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

Hosea 9:15: All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I HATED THEM: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of Mine house, I WILL LOVE THEM NO MORE...

Malachi 1:3-4: And I HATED ESAU, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness...thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and the people AGAINST WHOM THE LORD HATH INDIGNATION FOREVER.

Romans 9:13: As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but ESAU HAVE I HATED.

I Corinthians 16:22: If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be ANATHEMA MARANATHA [which means ACCURSED, THE LORD COMETH].

James 4:4: Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that friendship of the world is ENMITY (or HATRED) WITH GOD? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is an ENEMY OF GOD.

I Peter 3:12: For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers: but THE FACE OF THE LORD IS AGAINST THEM THAT DO EVIL.

Revelation 14:10-11: [Sinners] shall drink of the wine of the WRATH OF GOD, which is poured without mixture into the cup of HIS INDIGNATION; and he shall be TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY ANGELS, AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB; And the smoke of their TORMENT ascendeth up for ever and ever; and they have NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT...

God loved DAVID
David committed murder
David should have been stoned to death
God spared David and took his innocent son instead
David paid the price through chastisement
David did not lose salvation

get your facts straight FRAN

 

[dcontroversal]

@Goodnewsman is 100% right.

Jesus gave him the direct order to go and teach and preach and heal in Mathew 10 when the TWELVE Apostles are sent out.

Can satan serve God?
This would be a house divided against itself.

Jesus was limited in His knowledge...He said so Himself.
Mark 13:32

Judas most probably believed he was helping Jesus.
Jesus even told him to go and do what he had to do QUICKLY...sounded like Jesus was giving him the go ahead.
John 13:27
"As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, "What you are about to do, do quickly."

You would agree with a rock if you thought for one second it disagreed with any of us.....

 

[stillness]

Do you really believe not sinning is what John mean's by walking as He walked? Not that I'm saying Jesus sinned. Covering bases I hope.

John refers to our new identity in Christ, His Seed remains in us and He can not sin because He is born of God. Jesus obviously made it possible to abide with Him. Its not that I don't sin but that I die with Him daily. until it's no longer I that lives but Christ, And when you are free for a day, what makes the day trouble again is thinking that we have accomplished bearing the cross. Getting up in the morning is always today and never tomorrow until the Resurrection. We are near the end of the day where it sais the enemy will wear out the Saints, the sin could be thinking we have arrived before we have, no longer seeing the need to bear the cross sitting comfortably in our comfort zone. "They all slumbered and slept." The ones slumbering but still awake would be the wise.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Are you thinking Budman is a universalist?

To me the whole worlds sins are forgiven.

John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

However the propriation for forgiveness is not granted to those who do not believe on Jesus.

Believers are not condemned and believers seek to be like Jesus.
This does not just mean sin management should be the main focus.
The main focus is the cross and what he accomplished for us.
Jesus said that he must go back to the Father so the Holy Spirit must come to convict the world of its sin.

And he said that sin is unbelief in him.

That does not give a license to sin, and we know Paul addressed that.

People can end up in a universalist way of thinking like the film the Shack.
Responsibility for ones actions at all levels. Jesus brings us freedom to this degree.

Theologically, one could say all sin is forgiven, except not, if certain conditions are not met.
But that is just double speak. Only those who follow and believe Jesus are forgiven.

And the consequences of sin are what matters. It is why sin kills.
Go soft on evil, one has no faith. Sinful congregations become faithless congregations.

 

[Budman]

Bud, you failed to be specific.

By asking you if you still sin?

We can say what the issues we are dealing with at present, but probably sin is not one of them.

Sin is always at the heart of a problem or "issue".

So if you cannot be specific about breaking any of the 10 commandments today or any other written
principle today, then you did not sin.

I don't have to be specific. It you claim you are without sin, the Bible says you're a liar. Pretty straightforward, doncha think?

But my suggestion is resolving issues is not peoples game, rather wallowing in them, and keeping things
as they are is safer. Which is probably what is really going on, and not facing Jesus and life transformation.

Yeeeeeeah, well, I'm not going to stop turning the tables on hypocrites, so put on your big boy pants and deal with it.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

You would agree with a rock if you thought for one second it disagreed with any of us.....

lame, really lame. Its like watching someone fighting with wet sponges lol

 

[Budman]

Are you avoiding the question?? Can a man preach full of the Spirit of God and not be saved?

No. But that wasn't the point I was trying to make. That point was, a person who isn't saved can preach the gospel and folks can get saved. It's the message, not the messenger.

Like I pointed out with the demon possessed woman. Regarding salvation, what did she say that wasn't true?

 

[star]

Talk about works, the devil is doing the utmost in these days to bring out all of the forces of evil.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

By asking you if you still sin?
Sin is always at the heart of a problem or "issue".
I don't have to be specific. It you claim you are without sin, the Bible says you're a liar. Pretty straightforward, doncha think?
Yeeeeeeah, well, I'm not going to stop turning the tables on hypocrites, so put on your big boy pants and deal with it.

You have a pea shooter. The best you have is claim to be without sin, your lying.

As I said before, you deny you can ever walk like Jesus or that is our calling.
And secondly as Paul states we can never judge ourselves as sinless, only God can do that.

But you have no answer to this and seem to deny we are called to walk as Jesus walked.
So you are not following Jesus, yoked to Him, listening and learning.

So until you can get specific about sin, you have nothing, and are actually sinless.

'When a man or woman wrongs another in any way and so is unfaithful to the LORD, that person is guilty
and must confess the sin he has committed. He must make full restitution for his wrong, add one fifth to it and give it all to the person he has wronged.
Numbers 5:6-7

God instituted naming sin and being specific about ones sins and avoiding this blanket you all failed
so just give up and live in slavery to evil behaviour concept.

 

[BillG]

But my suggestion is resolving issues is not peoples game, rather wallowing in them, and keeping things
as they are is safer. Which is probably what is really going on, and not facing Jesus and life transformation.

I have to say that I agree and disagree with the above.

I disagree with resolving issues is not people's game.
Any genuine beliver will seek resolution with their issues, at some point.
Yes I agree that she some keep such things because they are safer.
But we need to ask the question as to why.

I would say it's for fear of rejection and condemnation.
From people and from God.

But when we reveal that God is for us and not against us and that he loves us as much as he loves Jesus, that he is with us in our struggles and we need him to overcome then that brings transformation in our lives.

Jesus came to set us free, and if all genuinely know this then we will become free.
Some quicker than others some not.

It's a journey of life.

A journey that Jesus has asked us to walk with others.

John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

 

[Hevosmies]

DOes anyone remember if there were two witnesses for David's adultery thingie? Thats whats needed!

 

[stillness]

God saves all who call on Him, through Jesus and the cross, in repentance and faith.

But He has not saved the world, though His desire is they turn to Him, He declares they will not.

There are verses that declare Jesus has saved the world, I will begin by a dark sentence, since this is controversial. "What I have cleansed call not common or unclean." Even unclean animals were cleansed, representing what we eat. yes I know this is not enough evidence. "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Ok what about when you know? That would be rejecting the Holy Spirit poured out on all flesh. "Jesus, the Saviour of all men, especially of them that believe. This relates to why salvation cant be lost, not that we cant be lost but that God cant be lost and is poured out on all flesh. Also someone rejecting someone's view of God, a dictator who sais you have to believe like I believe, is not rejecting the Holy Spirit but rejecting the one in danger of being instead of Christ: rejecting the Holy Spirit and desiring control like the religious leaders. Yes I'm aware there is more to this. But we must go on, "And we shall all appear before the judgment seat of Christ.

 

[Budman]

You have a pea shooter. The best you have is claim to be without sin, your lying.

The Bible isn't a pea shooter, and yeah, it's the best I have because it's all I need.

As I said before, you deny you can ever walk like Jesus

Let us all know when you manage to accomplish that.

And secondly as Paul states we can never judge ourselves as sinless, only God can do that.

Did you mean sinful?

So until you can get specific about sin, you have nothing

*cough* 1 John 1:8 *cough*

'When a man or woman wrongs another in any way and so is unfaithful to the LORD, that person is guilty
and must confess the sin he has committed. He must make full restitution for his wrong, add one fifth to it and give it all to the person he has wronged.
Numbers 5:6-7

Quoting Old Testament Law isn't gonna help ya.

God instituted naming sin and being specific about ones sins and avoiding this blanket you all failed

Um, we all have failed. "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)

so just give up and live in slavery to evil behaviour concept.

Yet again, let us all know when you've stopped your own evil behavior and stopped sinning.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I have to say that I agree and disagree with the above.

I disagree with resolving issues is not people's game.
Any genuine beliver will seek resolution with their issues, at some point.
Yes I agree that she some keep such things because they are safer.
But we need to ask the question as to why.

I would say it's for fear of rejection and condemnation.
From people and from God.

But when we reveal that God is for us and not against us and that he loves us as much as he loves Jesus, that he is with us in our struggles and we need him to overcome then that brings transformation in our lives.

Jesus came to set us free, and if all genuinely know this then we will become free.
Some quicker than others some not.

It's a journey of life.

A journey that Jesus has asked us to walk with others.

John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

I agree a sheep of Jesus desires to resolve issues because it hurts their heart in their love of Christ.

But I fear many unbelievers think God does not care about sin, and there are some sheep among them
who need to hear, God cares, empowers and resolves sinful behaviour and offers resolution and healing.

He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor
Luke 4:18-19

 

[FollowHisSteps]

The Bible isn't a pea shooter, and yeah, it's the best I have because it's all I need.
Let us all know when you manage to accomplish that.
Did you mean sinful?
"cough* 1 John 1:8 *cough*
Quoting Old Testament Law isn't gonna help ya.
Um, we all have failed. "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
Yet again, let us all know when you've stopped your own evil behavior and stopped sinning.

Hi Bud, If you cannot engage and respond, I am just speaking to a recorded message.......

 

[Budman]

Hi Bud, If you cannot engage and respond, I am just speaking to a recorded message.......

What are you talking about? I responded to your statements.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I am sorry, but you do not inow God at all

Paul was deemed innocent because he acted in ignorance.

Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 1 Tim 1:13

The unforgivable sin is unforgivable because it is rebellion in the sight of the Holy Spirits working.

And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Luke 12:10

I wonder at the judgementalism you are displaying.

I do not know God at all? Quite a condemnation of a believe in Jesus and a person who trust Him for salvation and forgiveness of His sins through the cross. Do you not know we are not judge fellow believers like this? And if we do we are judging Gods work in anothers life? Fearful stuff, very, very serious and personal.

How can you stand in judgement over me?

What you have not discerned is at the end of all things, that which remains to the lake of fire
is those who hate Him and have rejected Him. Why would God love any of these folk as none of
them are capable of anything eternal or of value?

You have not yet understood the final judgement and what rejecting the Lord of all is actually about.

I am not here to say more than this, but suggest if you condemn me as an unbeliever I fear for your
soul.

He condemns everyone that does not agree with him.

Jesus said that as we judge, so shall we be judged....the same measure will apply.
Matthew 7:1-4

It is a serious matter indeed...to judge someone's soul.
Only God can do that.

Romans 14:4
Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls.

Yes. To much judging going on around here by some who claim to know God and the bible He inspired.