Gay wedding

[MultilingualMessenger]

So he’s God now? I think not.

Wow. That's a silly interpretation of what I said and you know it.

Ahwatukee said what God has already said in His Word, which was my clear point. You know I wasn't calling Ahwatukee God.

Unbelievable.

What if your best childhood friend told you he was gay? You’d quit being his friend? Or you’d just judge him a little now and then to make sure he would not forget what kind of a sinner he was compared to his righteous friend?

I think it's been made clear in this thread the difference between righteously judging an action to be sin and condemning the person who is doing it. It is you who refuses to acknowledge the difference, not others.

 

[Susanna]

Wow. That's a silly interpretation of what I said and you know it.

Ahwatukee said what God has already said in His Word, which was my clear point. You know I wasn't calling Ahwatukee God.

Unbelievable.



I think it's been made clear in this thread the difference between righteously judging an action to be sin and condemning the person who is doing it. It is you who refuses to acknowledge the difference, not others.

Quite the contrary, my dear.

I don’t have to put up with you calling my interpretation of anything silly. Why don’t you get your act together before you’re addressing me again?

 

[RickyZ]

Hi Susanna!

So, if you were to go to your best friend's wedding, would you hug her and congratulate her and her wife, knowing that according to God's word that anyone who is living that life style will not inherit the kingdom of God? How could you be happy for her knowing where that life style leads?

"Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things (men with men and woman with women) are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them."

As the scripture above states, would you not be one who is approving of your friend who is practicing this?

If I was in this situation, I would take the opportunity to make known the severity of her sin, that as long as she willfully remains in that state, it keeps her separated from God and on her way to condemning judgment. That's guaranteed! And you would be helping her to get there by supporting her.

If I was RickyZ, I would see about setting up a time to speak with his cousin before his wedding and lay it all out. I would make it known that he has the right to continue living a same-sex life style, however the consequences are the same.

This eternity we're talking about! To not tell them and to support those living that life style, is to not love them, but to help them on their way.

But again, how far do you take this? Living gay is not the only lifestyle that leads to death. If you have a guy friend who beds a different woman each month, do you shun him? How about every 6 months ... or once a year. Or the drinker. How many is too many, where does the line exist? It doesn't ... you just can't pin these things down like that. Heck I do things I know are wrong - do I have to shun myself?

But the Bible does draw a clear line, and more and more I think it hinges on this - welcome the sinner, shun a saint who won't correct.

 

[blue_ladybug]

The fact that he's marrying a MAN, shows he isn't open to correction. And yes, sleeping around, drinking, whatever are sins BUT homosexuality is an abomination to God. He doesn't condone it, neither should we. And by attending the wedding, you WOULD be condoning it...

 

[RickyZ]

So, what is a marriage? When the two make one, they become spousal. Marriage is but a confession of that spousal state; no consummation and the marriage is not valid. One can divorce and cease being 'married', but spousal is forever.

So that begs the question, is the ceremony the sin, or is the act that promulgates the ceremony the sin? One could argue that the wedding itself is not a sin, but the act it confesses is.

 

[RickyZ]

Telling them the truth is not judging them. End of story!

Depends on how you tell it

 

[blue_ladybug]

So, what is a marriage? When the two make one, they become spousal. Marriage is but a confession of that spousal state; no consummation and the marriage is not valid. One can divorce and cease being 'married', but spousal is forever.

So that begs the question, is the ceremony the sin, or is the act that promulgates the ceremony the sin? One could argue that the wedding itself is not a sin, but the act it confesses is.

A marriage is a MAN AND a WOMAN. Not two men or two women. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.. The sin lies in the fact that God ordained marriage between a man and a woman. Two guys or two girls hitting the sheets together would be the abomination.

 

[RickyZ]

What if your best childhood friend told you he was gay? You’d quit being his friend? Or you’d just judge him a little now and then to make sure he would not forget what kind of a sinner he was compared to his righteous friend?

I'm not sure 'judge' is the right term for this situation, altho it is appropriate for many. I think it should be more 'set the stage for the Holy Spirit to convict'..? Iow, instead of the verbal beat down, show the example that makes them say hmmm...

 

[RickyZ]

A marriage is a MAN AND a WOMAN. Not two men or two women. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.. The sin lies in the fact that God ordained marriage between a man and a woman. Two guys or two girls hitting the sheets together would be the abomination.

True, a marriage is between a man and a woman ... but does that not stem from 'two making one' to be between a man and a woman? Don't the kinda go hand in hand?

 

[RickyZ]

Quite the contrary, my dear.

I don’t have to put up with you calling my interpretation of anything silly. Why don’t you get your act together before you’re addressing me again?

Girls, girls, c'mon now. Let's not forget that we're all on the same team.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I'm not sure 'judge' is the right term for this situation, altho it is appropriate for many. I think it should be more 'set the stage for the Holy Spirit to convict'..? Iow, instead of the verbal beat down, show the example that makes them say hmmm...

But just how do you intend to "set the stage"?? Certainly not by attending this farce of a wedding. Just sit him down and tell him that, as a Christian, you cannot possibly attend this event and live with your conscience.

 

[RickyZ]

The fact that he's marrying a MAN, shows he isn't open to correction. And yes, sleeping around, drinking, whatever are sins BUT homosexuality is an abomination to God. He doesn't condone it, neither should we. And by attending the wedding, you WOULD be condoning it...

Hmmm... I always assumed correction was for saints, direction is for sinners. But I could be wrong

 

[blue_ladybug]

True, a marriage is between a man and a woman ... but does that not stem from 'two making one' to be between a man and a woman? Don't the kinda go hand in hand?

Same premise.. yes.. Whether dating, engaged or whatever, a MAN and a WOMAN are pre-ordained to be partners.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Hmmm... I always assumed correction was for saints, direction is for sinners. But I could be wrong

Everyone seems to be under the false assumption that Christians cannot/ do not sin. THEY DO. And often.. Correction is for both sinners AND saints, IMO..

 

[RickyZ]

But just how do you intend to "set the stage"?? Certainly not by attending this farce of a wedding. Just sit him down and tell him that, as a Christian, you cannot possibly attend this event and live with your conscience.

That was referring back to Susanna's earlier tangent about a girlfriend. The stage has been set for my cousin, the only question now is who all's going to be actors in the play.

 

[RickyZ]

Same premise.. yes.. Whether dating, engaged or whatever, a MAN and a WOMAN are pre-ordained to be partners.

I'm wit' ya dere.

 

[RickyZ]

And wit dat I have to go eat!

 

[kaylagrl]

Our nephew, who is one of the most respectful and responsible people I know, is marrying his boyfriend.

Do we go out of respect for him, or stay away because of the gay issue?

If he knows where you stand on the issue I would go. I would also continue to pray for and speak the truth in love.

 

[kaylagrl]

That is the issue ... do we love him for who he is or shun him for how he lives? He grew up Christian, and other than sexual orientation lives up to Christian standards better than anyone else I know. But I don't know if he really is Christian. And that alone provides a fork in the road in scripture. We are to love and welcome the sinner, but yeah like it was said above, a brother who has been shown correction and does not accept it is to be shunned. That would be the catch-22 of it all.

In my younger years I'd say shun him. As I've grown older I've changed my thinking. Don't be tolerant, make clear where you stand but do so in love and keep the door open. You may well be the one who leads him to Christ.

 

[Deade]

Hmmm... I always assumed correction was for saints, direction is for sinners. But I could be wrong

Ricky, Ricky, how old are you anyway? Can you not see the agenda that Satan is pushing at God's children. If they had left sexual orientation a private thing like it should be, the rest of us would not bother them. When they come out of the closet they are recruiting. As of now the politically correct stance is to accept them or be a bigot. Even heterosexual couples should not make out on a park bench or a cafe.

With it all out in the open Satan starts in on the children. He gets them to question their sexual proclivities. Being born gay is what many think is the case. Were that really the case, then persecuting them would be wrong. Quite the contrary, our sexuality is a learned trait.

I agree with this definition: Gender dysphoria occurs when there is a persistent sense of mismatch between one’s experienced gender and assigned gender. Children get confused enough without telling them God made a mistake in their case. When all is said and done we are left more and more homosexuals.