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That may be the case and may not be.
But the truth is that if a believer is stuck in a sin habit they are stuck in it.
They call out to God "Please release me, I need help, why do I do this, I don't want to do this"
So yes belivers do actually expect to fail, and let's be honest if it's a pattern then we expect the pattern to continue and victory seems impossible for some.
But we know in our hearts that it is not impossible.
Jesus calls the sinners, the dirty, the abused, the alcoholics, the drud addicts, the worthless, the needy, the depressed people the outcasts and so on.
The list could go on.
But you know what? "WE SHOULD WELCOME THEM IN OUR CHURCH"
They are prisoners to the world, to their thoughts, to their life experiences which has battered them.
Such people accept they will fail, even if they do not want to.
So we disiple them. Look for the cause of the effect.
There is no point in telling them that you are saved by grace unto good works.
But revealing to them that God will work good in all things that has happened to them.
Just like me who was sexually abused, it was not good but God worked good in it.
Now I walk with those who it has happened to.
Walk with them how they cope with it.
Deal with those issues.
Then when we have dealt with it and healing comes I can quote Ephesians and say
"Now walk in the good works God has called you to do"
After all how could we in this day walk with someone if we have not walked the walk?
But the truth is that if a believer is stuck in a sin habit they are stuck in it.
They call out to God "Please release me, I need help, why do I do this, I don't want to do this"
So yes belivers do actually expect to fail, and let's be honest if it's a pattern then we expect the pattern to continue and victory seems impossible for some.
But we know in our hearts that it is not impossible.
Jesus calls the sinners, the dirty, the abused, the alcoholics, the drud addicts, the worthless, the needy, the depressed people the outcasts and so on.
The list could go on.
But you know what? "WE SHOULD WELCOME THEM IN OUR CHURCH"
They are prisoners to the world, to their thoughts, to their life experiences which has battered them.
Such people accept they will fail, even if they do not want to.
So we disiple them. Look for the cause of the effect.
There is no point in telling them that you are saved by grace unto good works.
But revealing to them that God will work good in all things that has happened to them.
Just like me who was sexually abused, it was not good but God worked good in it.
Now I walk with those who it has happened to.
Walk with them how they cope with it.
Deal with those issues.
Then when we have dealt with it and healing comes I can quote Ephesians and say
"Now walk in the good works God has called you to do"
After all how could we in this day walk with someone if we have not walked the walk?
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I chalk it up to the normal human remorse that many in society have when they do things they know was wrong....for example.....many that are convicted of crimes show remorse for what they have done.....with Judas it must be noted that he did not seek forgiveness with JESUS.....he went to the priests that paid him, chunked the money and then committed suicide.......I have no doubt he knew JESUS was a good man, and an innocent man.....HOWEVER he did not believe that JESUS was the messiah and died a lost man.........the SON of PERDITION is clear.....
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
apóleia: destruction, loss
Original Word: ἀπώλεια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apóleia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-o'-li-a)
Definition: destruction, loss
Usage: destruction, ruin, loss, perishing; eternal ruin.
An interesting truth...same PHRASE is applied unto the one that will be the so called Anti-Christ....
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
AND to really throw a wrench in....the BEAST<-->when John writes Revelation he writes of the yet future beast and says.....
that was <----past tense
is not<---present tense
shall ascend out of the pit<---future tense
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
apóleia: destruction, loss
Original Word: ἀπώλεια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apóleia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-o'-li-a)
Definition: destruction, loss
Usage: destruction, ruin, loss, perishing; eternal ruin.
An interesting truth...same PHRASE is applied unto the one that will be the so called Anti-Christ....
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
AND to really throw a wrench in....the BEAST<-->when John writes Revelation he writes of the yet future beast and says.....
that was <----past tense
is not<---present tense
shall ascend out of the pit<---future tense
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AMEN Bill........and the truth....SIN has been dealt with and is not the problem..........it is all about the faith....My bible is clear....where sin abounds, grace abounds the more......and GOD's mercy endures for how long <---FOREVER.........after one has been saved God deals with them as SONS and DAUGHTERS...he may whip our butts off with the switch of chastisement, but does not cast us away or yank the IRREVOCABLE gift of faith and life....
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I agree with everything you said....I do the same thing.....I don't make excuses for my sin either.... when the Holy ghost concvicts me I confess my sin and he is faithful and just to forgive us!!!
Amen!!! big time to your little girl and spending time with her....it's so easy take the ones we love for granted..
October 4 2018 my teenage daughter and 9 yr old son was in a head on collision on there way to school, I was working out of town over 2 hrs away when cop called my cellphone. One of the worst days of my life. I got lost 3 times trying to get to the hospital.....long story both was hurt very bad....cop told me when he pulled up he wasn't expecting anyone to be alive but when both came to they held hands and prayed.......just a few weeks ago they both got off thier walkers and walked for the first time........praise God
Spend time with them, tell them you love them every chance you get.....wow didn't mean to say all that.....what was we talking about. LOL
Amen!!! big time to your little girl and spending time with her....it's so easy take the ones we love for granted..
October 4 2018 my teenage daughter and 9 yr old son was in a head on collision on there way to school, I was working out of town over 2 hrs away when cop called my cellphone. One of the worst days of my life. I got lost 3 times trying to get to the hospital.....long story both was hurt very bad....cop told me when he pulled up he wasn't expecting anyone to be alive but when both came to they held hands and prayed.......just a few weeks ago they both got off thier walkers and walked for the first time........praise God
Spend time with them, tell them you love them every chance you get.....wow didn't mean to say all that.....what was we talking about. LOL
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