Name It and Claim It

[Locoponydirtman]

If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content. But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.
1 Timothy 6:8‭-‬9 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1ti.6.8-9.NASB

 

[Absolutely]

Very interesting posts.
I believe in healing, just not name it and claim it.
Philippians 2:25-30;
Epaphroditus was sick and almost died.
He lived to Glorify God.
John 11:1;
Lazarus died.
Jesus brought him back to life to Glorify God.
Trophimus was left behind sick in 2 Timothy 4:20;.

I've known people who were sick to die but God brought them through.
And God was Glorified for it.
My wife was in pain from 2 broken knee caps.
After 15 years of pain, she was healed completely at the altar.
She Glorifies his name everyday to everyone.

I don't believe anything here is name it and claim it.
Oh, you may be able to alter Scripture and make these fit into your belief but God allows life and death and suffering for his Glory.

In your testimony,you place the greatest weight and value on those non healing verses.
Your faith is there.
My faith is in the others,the promises of answered prayer that swallow your verses up.

You have what you claim by your own testimony.

You have basically named and claimed your "victory". (Small and settle for less)
Powerful stuff

 

[Absolutely]

They are misleading people, which may be the equivalent of lying. Here is what they teach:

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You just described perfectly the encounter with David and Goliath.
All those components were there.

 

[Absolutely]

You just described perfectly the encounter with David and Goliath.
All those components were there.

IOW,Those outside the anointing,need not apply.
Only David was walking in the anointing.

 

[Absolutely]

I think we just stumbled onto the root.
Jesus said " the axe is laid to the root"

Jesus got the anointing first. As did elisha and the apostles,and the first church.
No anointing,no power.

Maybe you guys can't handle it. That is why your testimony is the way it is.
Misleading others into a powerless walk.
Affirming each other's powerless witness.
Kinda bizarre to someone that walks in His promises.

 

[Absolutely]

18 And he said, Take the arrows. And he took them. And he said unto the king of Israel, Smite upon the ground. And he smote thrice, and stayed.
19 And the man of God was wroth with him, and said, Thou shouldest have smitten five or six times; then hadst thou smitten Syria till thou hadst consumed it: whereas now thou shalt smite Syria but thrice.


Settling for less is a grizzly business.
But throwing out 99% of the great commission is a grevious sin.
Cessationism is narcissism.

 

[Budman]

First off, I never claimed I could do those things, and I wouldn't, as it not only depends on my faith, but "according to your faith" as well. As in THEIR faith, according to what Jesus said.

That's called a "cop-out".

And most times, for God to do things you name and claim, you have to say it over and over again. And the reason for that is to get that person to believe, as faith comes by hearing. So you need to hear it until you believe it more than the contrary situation that's screaming in your face or in your body.

Like a cheerleader?

 

[Blain]

As far as the whole name it and claim it doctrines goes I don't think it is as black and white as it is proclaimed.
On one hand people who firmly believe in it are not always fake and folly I do actually admire the kin9d of iron faith to believe you will receive what you ask for in his name but there is also the issue that people who live this doctrine can forget that it is not always like this with everyone and they can sometimes even un knowingly look down on others who cannot receive the same outcome and call it a lack of faith.

On the other side of the coin those who believe and have faith yet do not receive the same thing know that it is not about how strongly one believes in their receiving but rather how strongly one believes in him. for some believing and receiving comes naturally it just flows and it is by far easier to believe when you can see the fruit of it but at the same time it is humbling to believe even when you never see the fruit of it which reminds me of the verse from John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

I personally like to look at things from different perspectives and I am not so sure that either side of this topic is necessarily wrong or right. To me they seem to be two sides of the same coin both needed to complete the other. instead of seeing one or the other as right or wrong have we considered that perhaps just as God has placed each person in his kingdom having different roles and gifts perhaps in the same manner he has us placed on one side of the coin exactly as we are? on one hand his strength and words are proven true from those who have the faith to ask and believe they will receive yet on the other hand the beauty of having faith and believing even when you never seem to receive the same fruit shows the purity of blind faith and trust in him.

We need to consider the bigger picture of topics like this, not who is right or wrong but rather how they intertwine and how they work and fit in his kingdom. Have you ever noticed how the human eye works? In order to be able to see correctly it requires both light and darkness having to much of either one blinds us and makes our sight blurry and in the same manner I believe both sides of the coin are needed to be able to function correctly

 

[know1]

That's called a "cop-out".

Like a cheerleader?

What it's called is the truth. The same truth Jesus was subject to.
I'm not going to reexplain the simple truth of how faith works, as it would be a wast of my time, because one has to be OF the truth to be able to see or hear the truth.

 

[wolfwint]

Please show me what scripture I used out of context.
I don't' do those things.
My doctrines, theologies, beliefs, and faith is based solely on my understanding of the truth of God's word.
So please, by all means, show me any scripture where I changed its meaning in any way.

Ok, proverbs 4,22 ff is written in First line to old Testament Volk of Israel and based in the Lee God has given. From Deut 28 we knows that obidience follow blessings ( health and walth) for whom? The 12 Tribes. For those which Obey the law.
To Take this Text for today Church is not correct. ( i know Not all agree with me)
We cant find a similar promises for NT believer.

2.Peter3,9 speaks from the Coming of the day of the Lord. Which will come as he said.
What connection has this to: Name it und claim it?

Mark, 11,23-24, to whom Jesus is speaking? To the disciples. And this came True After Pentecost for them, i would suppose.

This wie i said out of context. Because you dont consider in which purpose und to whom the scripture spoke.

Ore, can you show me any christian today, who could say from himself that mark 11,24 came True?

 

[Budman]

What it's called is the truth. The same truth Jesus was subject to.
I'm not going to reexplain the simple truth of how faith works, as it would be a wast of my time, because one has to be OF the truth to be able to see or hear the truth.

Uh huh. Sure.

 

[Absolutely]

That's called a "cop-out".



Like a cheerleader?

No.he is saying when the forces vome pushing and shoving telling you Gods word is diluted,the power is gone,he wont back his word,you dig in even deeper like ole David did and you tell all those sitters and watchers "HIDE AND WATCH" and throw off that religious garb weighting you down like David did with Sauls armor, and GO FOR IT.

Let the naysayers rant,rave,and invoke every faithless verse they can find. And dare to launch out on Gods timeless word .
It CAN NOT fail.

What you are missing,is Davids prophetic vision.
He prophesied Goliath would fall.

 

[Budman]

No.he is saying when the forces vome pushing and shoving telling you Gods word is diluted,the power is gone,he wont back his word,you dig in even deeper like ole David did and you tell all those sitters and watchers "HIDE AND WATCH" and throw off that religious garb weighting you down like David did with Sauls armor, and GO FOR IT.

Let the naysayers rant,rave,and invoke every faithless verse they can find. And dare to launch out on Gods timeless word .
It CAN NOT fail.

What you are missing,is Davids prophetic vision.
He prophesied Goliath would fall.

Go name and claim the next hurricane to stop mid-ocean, or a missing limb to grow back on someone, and get back to me.

 

[know1]

Ok, proverbs 4,22 ff is written in First line to old Testament Volk of Israel and based in the Lee God has given. From Deut 28 we knows that obidience follow blessings ( health and walth) for whom? The 12 Tribes. For those which Obey the law.
To Take this Text for today Church is not correct. ( i know Not all agree with me)
We cant find a similar promises for NT believer.

2.Peter3,9 speaks from the Coming of the day of the Lord. Which will come as he said.
What connection has this to: Name it und claim it?

Mark, 11,23-24, to whom Jesus is speaking? To the disciples. And this came True After Pentecost for them, i would suppose.

This wie i said out of context. Because you dont consider in which purpose und to whom the scripture spoke.

Ore, can you show me any christian today, who could say from himself that mark 11,24 came True?

Okay, I understand where you're coming from now.
Jesus said, Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

None of those scriptures have been fulfilled. They are basic laws of how faith works. They have NO end, and they are not to people or nation or any time in history. They are open laws.
God's word is still life and health to all our flesh, for it is the word of God itself that does the work.
2Peter is about God fulfilling His word or promise. It doesn't matter what that promise was about, if God fulfills one promise, He will do the same for ALL His promises.
Mark 11:23-24 is also an open law of how faith works.
Verse 23 is about speaking words of faith, and verse 24 is about asking God for something you desire, believing it is already given.
Both verse are not limited to that time era, the old testament, or to the Jews only. They are open as well.
If you look at it from a micro perspective instead of a macro perspective, you might be able to see what I was talking about.
Micro, as in digging into the verses itself, rather than macro, which might be looking at who it is addressing and what era it was in.
According to my understanding, I am not perverting, twisting, adding to, or taking scripture out of context. I do not do those things.

 

[Absolutely]

Ok, proverbs 4,22 ff is written in First line to old Testament Volk of Israel and based in the Lee God has given. From Deut 28 we knows that obidience follow blessings ( health and walth) for whom? The 12 Tribes. For those which Obey the law.
To Take this Text for today Church is not correct. ( i know Not all agree with me)
We cant find a similar promises for NT believer.

2.Peter3,9 speaks from the Coming of the day of the Lord. Which will come as he said.
What connection has this to: Name it und claim it?

Mark, 11,23-24, to whom Jesus is speaking? To the disciples. And this came True After Pentecost for them, i would suppose.

This wie i said out of context. Because you dont consider in which purpose und to whom the scripture spoke.

Ore, can you show me any christian today, who could say from himself that mark 11,24 came True?

You left out matt 18;18,19

Instead of finding ways to diminish verses,figure out why it appears to not be working for you.
That's the real issue.
Gods word is not working for you.

Why is it working for me and not you?

 

[know1]

No.he is saying when the forces vome pushing and shoving telling you Gods word is diluted,the power is gone,he wont back his word,you dig in even deeper like ole David did and you tell all those sitters and watchers "HIDE AND WATCH" and throw off that religious garb weighting you down like David did with Sauls armor, and GO FOR IT.

Let the naysayers rant,rave,and invoke every faithless verse they can find. And dare to launch out on Gods timeless word .
It CAN NOT fail.

What you are missing,is Davids prophetic vision.
He prophesied Goliath would fall.

Well said sir.

 

[tourist]

Go name and claim the next hurricane to stop mid-ocean, or a missing limb to grow back on someone, and get back to me.

I'm trending towards the missing limb growing back on someone. Stopping a hurricane mid-ocean is too easy, sort of like making the sun go forward. Seems like a harder thing to make it go backward.

 

[know1]

You left out matt 18;18,19

Instead of finding ways to diminish verses,figure out why it appears to not be working for you.
That's the real issue.
Gods word is not working for you.

Why is it working for me and not you?

I see you have basically the same understand that I have concerning the promises God's word.
I believe, those who appose this doctrine do not put their faith so much in the word of God as they do God Himself.
I believe, they think God doesn't have to do what He promised, that He can change His mind, and that His word and will are two separate things.

 

[tourist]

Regarding the name it and claim it crowd, does anyone ever claim something that is hard, requires sacrifice, and may result in personal pain and suffering or is it that the things that are claimed are always the fun, easy things, that require no effort and benefit no one except the recipient?

 

[p_rehbein]

I HEREBY NAME the Mansions, Limousines, Boats, Private Jets, Rolex Watches, and Thousand Dollar Suits ALL the name it and claim it Prosperity Doctrine spewers own.

SO........GIVE 'EM UP DUDES!