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Dino246

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you deny evolution. Im a catholic christian my faith has been shaken. Maybe you're the hypocrite I want answers you want a debate. I believe in science and the science has shown evolution to be compelling the most probable.
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Hi Aaron,
You believe in science... good. Do you understand that "science" now arbitrarily excludes non-material causes? Do you understand that the reason that evolution is considered the most probably is because the possibility of fiat creation was excluded from the start? Evolution is only the most probably among options that have been seriously considered... creation hasn't, because it is outside of the realm of scientific inquiry (according to some).

I would encourage you to look seriously at the arguments against evolution. If you're interested, I can give you a list of materials to start your investigation.

I'm interested to know what happened that shook your faith so deeply. I will say that if it brought you out of the Catholic "church" then it's a good thing... but that's another issue.
 
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Aarons testimony is religion's failure.
The nt was written by Holy Spirit baptised men TO OTHER Holy Spirit baptised men.

They preached the gospel with signs and wonders.
He already tried dead religion.
Dead religion did its work in him.
Birthed,trained,and saturated in dead religion.

Thank you Jesus that. I never got born again like that. I had to wait a few months for the promise from heaven.
The awesome Baptism in the Holy Ghost.

True christianity is DESIGNED to operate in power. Miracles,signs,wonders,visions,dreams,prophecy.revelation, etc.
Those components are all over God,all over Jesus.
AND I PRAY THOSE HOLY GHOST FILLED LABORERS, FIND AARON.

LORD,release heaven upon this young man. Touch him with your power and anointing.
Meet him like you did Paul and myself.
Come to him in power,bring powerful men and women across his path and give him a LIVING POWERFUL JESUS IN POWER AND WONDERMENT LIKE YOU DID PAUL AND MYSELF.

Aaron ...go for it .
I have had both,and you are right to question dead religion.
 
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obedienttogod

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Im going to respond to this by saying I am genuine in seeking answers but to postulate you know absolutely for sure God exists because of your faith makes you seem close minded to evidence as well. Especially when you use circular reasoning to explain the bible is true because its Gods word and it disproves other religions its circular reasoning because i can say how do you know its God's word because it says it in the bible and you might use 2 timothy 3:16



I provided a post (#25) for YOU from people JUST LIKE YOU who proved God existed. You might be an atheist, but you cannot deny there were Ancient people, just like current people in today's period of time. And those Ancient people reasoned like you did and concluded like you did. They even wrote from their own criticism and jokes, when referring to God in the flesh, Jesus. Those Ancient People come from a Culture that our current world is structured by. And they claim Jesus (Yeshua) really did exist, really was crucified, really the day did turn into night at the time of death, and that people from that moment on continued to worship Him as God.

And if it were possible, those Ancient Greek People who Wrote these things about God, would be amazed it is still happening today and is bigger and better than they could have ever imagined!!
 

Dan58

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My question still hasn't been answered if we cant know God how can you know through God? through the bible? thats circular reasoning to say that you can only know God if God reveals himself to you. first point I asked God to reveal himself to me and he hasnt why can't jesus just appear infront of my like paul. how convinent for paul. 2 i already know what you guys will say the bible reveals God and we know that from God's word. well how convenient to say that the bible is Gods word and thats how you know God because the bible says so. circular reasoning is a logical fallacy anything illogical cant exist
God did reveal himself to us through Christ.. Obviously, Jesus isn't going to make a personal appearance to every generation. We know him through his word. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1: 1&14). Christ was the living manifestation of God in the flesh. You remind me of Thomas (John 20; 24-29), but today we are called by faith, not direct proof. Evidence does not sway people, remember the Hebrews fleeing Egypt had witnessed God parting the sea, and just a while later were worshipping a golden calf. Jesus said; "If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead." (Luke 16:31). Believing that the bible is the inspired word of God (2 Timothy 3:16) is how God reveals himself to us, and faith comes through understanding His Word. We also have historical, prophetic, archaeological, and a testament of witnesses which provide ample evidence. Consider that all but one of the apostles were persecuted and brutally murdered for the gospel sake, and people don't generally make that kind of sacrifice to protect a lie.
 

CherieR

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My question still hasn't been answered if we cant know God how can you know through God? through the bible? thats circular reasoning to say that you can only know God if God reveals himself to you. first point I asked God to reveal himself to me and he hasnt why can't jesus just appear infront of my like paul. how convinent for paul. 2 i already know what you guys will say the bible reveals God and we know that from God's word. well how convenient to say that the bible is Gods word and thats how you know God because the bible says so. circular reasoning is a logical fallacy anything illogical cant exist
When you ask God to reveal himself, ask in a humble attitude. He may answer but not necessarily in the same way as for Paul. Most people who believe in God have never seen him with their eyes or in a vision, but they have other reasons for their faith. I agree that circular reasoning is not good debating. There are outside sources that support the bible. Health science, archaeology, different historians who wrote about Jesus besides the bible, etc. Certain laws laid out in the Old Testament, particularly Leviticus was helpful for things such as infection control. Also in Leviticus dietary rules of what the people of Israel were allowed to eat and not if followed, was a good healthy diet.
 

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you deny evolution. Im a catholic christian my faith has been shaken. Maybe you're the hypocrite I want answers you want a debate. I believe in science and the science has shown evolution to be compelling the most probable.
No science to date has proved evolution and can give credence to the theories of biological evolution and evolution of the cosmos.
Show me real evidence. To date there is much speculation and much fantasizing concerning how evolution is responsible for life
on this planet and for the universe.
It is still speculation and wishful thinking at best.
Real science (where scholars are open-minded to the truth) contradicts Darwinism and validates Creation: intelligent and purposeful
design and engineering.
The "science" you refer to is group think whereby many scientists have been shackled to a non-Spiritual Darwinist atheism by force
on pain of unemployment and having no careers in the academic industry.
There is a denial of the controversies raging in the various sciences between evolution and creation science. For instance, it has been
proven by notable geneticists that DNA does not evolve. And animals and plants cannot evolve different components of their DNA to
enable changes to body or plant tissues.

Put your faith in God who not only created the world and us (and it is all about us) but also came down to us and suffered and died
for our salvation; to redeem humankind from the kingdom of darkness and unbelief.
There is no salvation is Darwin only in Jesus and the gospel.
 

preston39

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you deny evolution. Im a catholic christian my faith has been shaken. Maybe you're the hypocrite I want answers you want a debate. I believe in science and the science has shown evolution to be compelling the most probable.
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Don't think you are the first to have the questions you exhibit in your IP.
You are unfair to yourself to exclude debate. Some conclude that you know the proof of your dis belief...is wanting.

I urge you to update your scientific reliance based on the following;
1) The Cambrian explosion conclusion..... dominates the latest scientific thinking by vast majority of that discipline.
Many are not familiar and it is a must. Please study.
2) Your claim as a atheists believer (no such thing as atheists) is no longer valid because of the Adam gene.
Please study.

Your reluctance to believe in G-d will be greatly assisted by taking the following approach;

1) Go to Church and at alter call submit to G-d before all man kind, thereby acknowledging Him as our Creator and ask Him for forgiveness of your sins.
(Christ said..."if you will not acknowledge My Father before mankind I will not acknowledge you before My Father").
2) ASAP Submit yourself for water baptism thereby acknowledging Christ as our Savior.

3)Begin a righteous life according to G-d's commandments and laws.

When your heart is right with G-d you will find a running stream of knowledge and proper Bible interpretation available to you from The Holy Spirit.

Remember those three elements are presented in scriptures in a fashion where no miss understanding could occur.

G-d speed for your new Christian life.
 

JaumeJ

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We, as having been convinced by the Holy Spirit (unseen), have this annoying propensity in believing things we do not see. We possess faith (unseen) , however when one truly believes Yeshua, Yahway, it is because of that first unseen gift, faith...
You have posted, Aaron, that no one has responded directly to your question…….. I believe youd are not reading your responses.
 
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pottersclay

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I see so many of the saints wavering on the subject of creation it scares me. The very basis of faith is found in the very first statement of Genesis.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.....if you don't believe that read no further.

How did he create it????.......and the Lord said let there be light, and the Lord said.....and the Lord said.....he spoke it and it was so.

If you say he used a science then you are saying that science existed before God.
If you entertain the idea of evolution then you are saying that the possibility of evolution existed before him.

If you say that life came out of the big bang theory then you can answer this question.
If I took a Swiss made precision watch and smased it with a hammer, placed the pieces of the watch in a shoe box and taped the lid shut. Began shaking it....how many shakes would it take to put the pieces back together?????

We serve a Holy God .....self existent, one and only. Who's ways and thoughts are above our own. How dare we think that we could even explain how God created all that is other than what he showed us......and the Lord said......he spoke it.
 
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you deny evolution. Im a catholic christian my faith has been shaken. Maybe you're the hypocrite I want answers you want a debate. I believe in science and the science has shown evolution to be compelling the most probable.
Really.
Please post for us 1 transitionary fossil.
Just one.

Psssst....there should be thousands of them.

God is a big God huh?

Bigger than any professors mind.
A huge planet with complex creatures.
A huge universe in disciple that worships God. Even the stars worship Him.




Thats a big,big God.

The God of atheism could fit in a thimble.
 

Bingo

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"Answer this...You claim You are a Catholic Christian and Your faith has been shaken...
please explain Why? Often when one has a definite reason for such a statement, there may
be a serious underlying issue that should first be confronted, and one should be concerned.
Remember this, our inner consciousness never leaves. I consider that our inner peace should
be a paramount concern, it effects our life, and things around us. I hope you find what is Really
needed in your life...peace brings love...love brings peace."
'Praise God'
 

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Im Aaron and Im an atheist looking for answers. my starting questions is why are you christian even tho there is no good evidence for the existence of God let alone the christian God. How do you know your religion is right? and how can you believe if the bible is full of errors and contradictions?
First let us get this straight for it does hinder many people from accepting that Christianity is true, and that is concerning hypocrites, which according to the Bible we are in the end time close to the world coming together and trying to establish peace on earth, which the Bible says that there will be many hypocrites at this time.

But Jesus said the gates of hell cannot prevail against the Church, and the hypocrites do not belong to Him, which there is no such thing as a hypocritical christian for they cannot be both at the same time.

So the only people that can belong to the Church is people that act like Christ, and only go by their needs, and not their wants, and help the poor and needy if possible, which the Bible explains at this time that many will go by their wants neglecting the poor and needy.

Also the Bible says the natural man does not receive the things of God for they are foolishness unto him, for the flesh and Spirit are contrary to each other, and in the flesh dwells no good thing, so the natural man will want to see things according to the flesh, and not the Spirit, so their interpretation of the Bible will be off as they hold unto the beliefs of the world that hinder them from seeing the truth of the Bible.

Even people of the occult do this like the new age movement that interpret the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and believe people can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, provided by the New Age Christ in the future, for they are of the flesh, and not the Spirit so it hinders them from seeing the truth of the Bible.

And the new age movement honors the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, so they are atheists but also believe in the spiritual, for they think people can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and evolution will take them all the way to being spiritual.

To be spiritual according to the Bible one must accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, and the reason for this is because only a sinless man can reconcile the world unto God, for there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, to wit that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself, God and man in harmony, which opened the door to heaven for all who accept the truth, and sins can only be forgiven by the shedding of blood.

Which God did not send someone to die for us, but He gave us His own human body, which He laid down His physical life for us, and purchased the Church with His own blood, which Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus, and is the personal human body of God, and He glorified that body, and is His visible relationship to the saints forever.

But to prove that God exists by the Bible I would say can be done.

The Bible says creation testifies there is a God, and of His attributes, which one of them is love, for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, and testifies of the 2 greatest laws love God, and love people, so the world is without excuse.

But some people did not want to believe that but attributed nature to God, such as the occult, and nature worship, but believed in a higher power, or believed things came about another way such as evolution, and the new age movement is the occult, nature worship, and believe things came about by evolution.

And the reason for the new age movement that has exalted the position of people higher than in the past is because people are more selfish, more arrogant, and self exalting than in time past, and also the theory of evolution caused them to think people can still evolve, which the Bible also explains that of their high self exaltation at this time, and tells us of the last generation before Jesus comes back that the children will not obey their parents, highly selfish, and highly arrogant, and aggressive towards each other, and will devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men, which they will be obsessed with money to heap it to themselves, which technology caused this to happen, which we see today where millions of dollars, and billions of dollars is not enough for them.

The world gets worse in self exaltation because that is the direction the world is going that does not love God, for they are acting according to the flesh which is contrary to the Spirit, which Paul said evil men shall wax worse and worse, and Jesus said since iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold.

Which we see today as people do not like each other as much, and that is because the technological age caused money, and material things to flow like a raging river, and people are trying to heap as much to themselves as they can, as it brought out the selfishness, and arrogance of people more.

So the attitude became people basically care about themselves with little regard for anyone else, so you do not care about me, I do not care about you.

And then the attitude is get all you can get and forget everyone else, and they get more aggressive, and violent towards each other, because they do not care about people's feeling like in the past, because they think people only care about themselves.

They will get more selfish, and arrogant, and self exalting until the nations come together and try to establish peace on earth, and stop the preaching of the Gospel of Jesus, Christianity, in favor of the new age movement interpretation of the Bible, and is the falling away of the world, and when the transgressors have come to the full, as they rebel against God and make war against all those who follow God in the truth.

And then it is over and God will end this sin business on earth.

In the Bible God challenges all religions, and people, to declare the end from the beginning, which God told us the whole history of mankind, and said no other religion or person would be able to do that.

And told us of all the kingdoms that would be on earth, until the world follows the New Age Christ in the future.

Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Roman Empire, and in the future the next kingdom is the 10 horn kingdom, the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, and the new age movement as a unified religious system that interprets all religions the same, based on evolution, and a hate crime to preach anything contrary to it, which will pave way to the New Age Christ, then the New Age Christ who will not acknowledge any god, and when they take the mark of the beast which has to do with technology to cut down on crime, and a GPS tracking system for humans, then repentance, and salvation, are no longer available to the world, then it is the end for the governments of the world ruling.

In the book of Daniel he was shown the end time which is now, but said he did not understand what was told him, but was told to go his way, and not worry about it, for he could not understand it, for the book is sealed until the time of the end, which they will understand the book of Daniel of the end time at that time.

For the Bible says many shall run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall be increased, advanced technology, which then the saints can see, hear, and know what is going on around the world, and how they can come together in which they will rebel against God.

For advanced travel, and advanced technology, has caused them to be able to know about each other, communicate with each other, and travel to each other, which will cause the nations to one day come together to try to establish peace on earth, which they gave heed to the new age movement, and evolution as reality, and they can still evolve, and they rebel against God, in which He will end this sin business on earth.

Which if at least one nation allows the truth of the Bible to be preached without stopping them, even though they might have some falsehood in their nation, then God would not put the world down.

But the nations came together, and stopped the preaching of the truth of the Bible in favor of the new age movement interpretation of the Bible, and all religions, based on evolution, and when the ten horns hand their power over to the New Age Christ, and he gets control of the world, which he has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, then his kingdom took away the hope of the world, and they persecute all people that go by the truth of the Bible.

So it is over, and Revelation is a warning to the world to escape that time when it comes, and come to the truth of the one true living God, and Jesus.

Which I wanted to point out that the Bible told us all things that would happen today, and the new age movement that will happen at the latter times, real close to Jesus coming back, and it is here now.

For God wants us to know what shall happen, because prophesy is the way He identifies Himself as the one true God, and for us to escape the falsehood of the world, and understand His truth.
 
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KnowMe

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Really.
Please post for us 1 transitionary fossil.
Just one.

Psssst....there should be thousands of them.

God is a big God huh?

Bigger than any professors mind.
A huge planet with complex creatures.
A huge universe in disciple that worships God. Even the stars worship Him.




Thats a big,big God.

The God of atheism could fit in a thimble.
 

memyselfi

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Im Aaron and Im an atheist looking for answers. my starting questions is why are you christian even tho there is no good evidence for the existence of God let alone the christian God. How do you know your religion is right? and how can you believe if the bible is full of errors and contradictions?
Hi Aaron, what is your evidence there is "NO" God? What are the errors and contradictions you are referring to?
 

tourist

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#97
Really.
Please post for us 1 transitionary fossil.
Just one.

Psssst....there should be thousands of them.

God is a big God huh?

Bigger than any professors mind.
A huge planet with complex creatures.
A huge universe in disciple that worships God. Even the stars worship Him.




Thats a big,big God.

The God of atheism could fit in a thimble.
I enjoyed listening to the video very much. Yes, the God of atheism could fit in a thimble with room left over for the evolution nonsense. Very interesting video about how creation itself worships God in praise.
 

Waggles

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Fibonacci Sequence Documentary, Golden Section Explained
The Fibonacci spiral is named after Italian mathematician Fibonacci.
His 1202 book "Liber Abaci" introduced the sequence to Western European mathematics, although the sequence had been described earlier as Virahanka numbers in Indian mathematics.

God is the great mathematician and permeates his creation with numerical and geometrical values ...

 

preston39

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I see so many of the saints wavering on the subject of creation it scares me. The very basis of faith is found in the very first statement of Genesis.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.....if you don't believe that read no further.

How did he create it????.......and the Lord said let there be light, and the Lord said.....and the Lord said.....he spoke it and it was so.

If you say he used a science then you are saying that science existed before God.
If you entertain the idea of evolution then you are saying that the possibility of evolution existed before him.

If you say that life came out of the big bang theory then you can answer this question.
If I took a Swiss made precision watch and smased it with a hammer, placed the pieces of the watch in a shoe box and taped the lid shut. Began shaking it....how many shakes would it take to put the pieces back together?????

We serve a Holy God .....self existent, one and only. Who's ways and thoughts are above our own. How dare we think that we could even explain how God created all that is other than what he showed us......and the Lord said......he spoke it.
The scientific community has concluded that matter must come from matter and since G-d had no matter to begin with He would be challenged to create from nothing.

What they miss is............we are speaking of G-d. He doesn't have to have matter to make matter. Further, under their theory evolution would need matter to create...oh ....pardon.....evolve (LOL) greater matter.

Maybe they will get the message soon.
 

Magenta

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Im Aaron and Im an atheist looking for answers. my starting questions is why are you christian even tho there is no good evidence for the existence of God let alone the christian God. How do you know your religion is right? and how can you believe if the bible is full of errors and contradictions?
You having no good evidence does not equate to others having no good evidence. Also, who atheists accept as authorities differ vastly from who Christians accept as authorities. What you may see as contradictions, we may see as differences that complement each other to present a fuller picture and greater understanding. Welcome to CC :)