Not By Works
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How is quoting what you said an insult to you? I do not expect an honest answer from you. You twist this way and that and then wonder why people do not wish to engage you. In one hour this thread can expand by many pages. Perhaps I simply have better things to do than read so much nonsense. Please excuse me. My life is calling.
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finally catch up on the 25 new pages in this thread, and it's time to go eat and go to bed lol
. . . this is why i tend to just jump right into the conversations here feet-first, with little context or backstory
hope ya'll look over that
. . . this is why i tend to just jump right into the conversations here feet-first, with little context or backstory
hope ya'll look over that
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Thanks for taking the time to clarify what you are trying to say. I agree with you about what you say about OSAS. I have interacted with enough people that believe in OSAS to agree that what you say it true. Most people who believe in OSAS also believe discipleship is important and that one will do works as a result of God's love at work in the heart, etc.
On the other hand, I will say this: most people who do not believe in OSAS believe like I do that a person is saved by the grace through faith and not of works. Works are then done because of our love for God and in response to His work in our heart. Now let me ask you: Did you know that? (Or, do you think like many on this forum and otherwise that all non-OSAS people teach a works based salvation?
I accept what you say you believe. Will you accept what I say I believe?
On the other hand, I will say this: most people who do not believe in OSAS believe like I do that a person is saved by the grace through faith and not of works. Works are then done because of our love for God and in response to His work in our heart. Now let me ask you: Did you know that? (Or, do you think like many on this forum and otherwise that all non-OSAS people teach a works based salvation?
I accept what you say you believe. Will you accept what I say I believe?
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My daddy was a pentecostal preacher and evangelist. I was redeemed as a child. I did leave for awhile, ventured off into a treacherous wilderness of disastrous proportions. Praise be to Him, He brought me back to my knees 15 years ago. I have been rewiring some stuff (nondeminational now) I didn't quite understand and needed to go in. The past several years I have been more been more diligent as Jeremiah 15:16 applies for me too. I am so grateful. Also, my heart burns, too, as He opens the verses to me.
I am just really digging in because His words have become the joy and rejoicing of my heart. Oh and lets not forget proverbs 25:2...
Anyway, I am glad you are at a place where you can teach but I also pray that you remain teachable. I think that sanctification and growth that we find in Him, requires it. May we never become desensitized with His revealing.
Quiet at His feet like Mary. Being still is what I mean. I think He wants, very much, our one on one tine with Him. In prayer, study, writing, singing, and LISTENING.
My appreciation for learning, has me relating to the bereans, chowing down. He is teaching me, though, that while the greek interpret knowing to be a head knowledge thing, the hebrews define knowing more towards the heart, in worship and fellowship. So my analytical and busy mind needs to shhhhhh, so I can hear Him. Pray for me, will you?
Do you have any thing you'd like me to pray about?
I am just really digging in because His words have become the joy and rejoicing of my heart. Oh and lets not forget proverbs 25:2...
Anyway, I am glad you are at a place where you can teach but I also pray that you remain teachable. I think that sanctification and growth that we find in Him, requires it. May we never become desensitized with His revealing.
Quiet at His feet like Mary. Being still is what I mean. I think He wants, very much, our one on one tine with Him. In prayer, study, writing, singing, and LISTENING.
My appreciation for learning, has me relating to the bereans, chowing down. He is teaching me, though, that while the greek interpret knowing to be a head knowledge thing, the hebrews define knowing more towards the heart, in worship and fellowship. So my analytical and busy mind needs to shhhhhh, so I can hear Him. Pray for me, will you?
Do you have any thing you'd like me to pray about?
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Ah, lets see now - I would suggest that if OSAS is true, then there should be a verse that says that once eternal life is given that God will never take it away. Can you give a verse that states that ETERNAL LIFE cannot be lost, forfeited, walked away from, or misplaced?
It is like I said elsewhere, we must start with Scripture and develop doctrine from there. Let's not start with doctrine and then ask others to find Scriptures to disprove our doctrine.
It is like I said elsewhere, we must start with Scripture and develop doctrine from there. Let's not start with doctrine and then ask others to find Scriptures to disprove our doctrine.
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Hey, I also do not believe in OSAS, but I would suggest to be careful about generalizing what OSAS followers believe. It does not do anybody much good to tell someone they believe something they say they do not believe.
You don't like when people accuse you of believing in a works based salvation (and that is a common accusation made here on CC). And if I am accusedof believing that works save a person, I just smile to myself and laugh because that is the farthest thing from what I believe!
You don't like when people accuse you of believing in a works based salvation (and that is a common accusation made here on CC). And if I am accusedof believing that works save a person, I just smile to myself and laugh because that is the farthest thing from what I believe!
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