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Why are there 613 different laws in the Torah?
In your book there appear to be perfection and you failed.
Do you see there is a difference in approach between your description and Gods?
Its like someone saying driving a car is just sitting in the driving seat and walking away.
I suppose if you always sit in the passenger seat and the driver always drives you, that is
all you need to know. But I would suggest God gave the bible so that we might know and
understand, in truth and liberty and actually drive the car.
You might notice Jesus called us to be yoked to Him, so we equally pull the load, not just sit
in the cart while He pulled us along.
In your book there appear to be perfection and you failed.
Do you see there is a difference in approach between your description and Gods?
Its like someone saying driving a car is just sitting in the driving seat and walking away.
I suppose if you always sit in the passenger seat and the driver always drives you, that is
all you need to know. But I would suggest God gave the bible so that we might know and
understand, in truth and liberty and actually drive the car.
You might notice Jesus called us to be yoked to Him, so we equally pull the load, not just sit
in the cart while He pulled us along.
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I dont, I have never said no such thing
Sin is as dark as a thousand midnights. Just look at the cross and you will see what God thinks of sin
When I sin.....I'm convicted.....conviction always points me to the cross and says "if you confess your sins, He is faithful and just to forgive".
Praise God he does!!!?
Sin is as dark as a thousand midnights. Just look at the cross and you will see what God thinks of sin
When I sin.....I'm convicted.....conviction always points me to the cross and says "if you confess your sins, He is faithful and just to forgive".
Praise God he does!!!?
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ADMIN NOTE: denial of deity of Christ is heresy
Our experts on the trinity have, through their diligent study come to the conclusion that if you stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth you will be condemned to hell:
Now this is eternal life(note what constitutes eternal life): that they know you,(the Father) the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent John17:3
The Father is greater than I John14:28
And of course, Christ, the Father, Peter and Paul all state the Father is the God of Christ(Heb1:9, Rev3:12, John20:17, 2Cor1:3, 1Peter1:3)
If Jesus is the one true God, we could ask our experts, who is the God of the one true omnipotent God? I have not heard of him, possibly mailmandan can find out by referencing the greek or concordances
Now this is eternal life(note what constitutes eternal life): that they know you,(the Father) the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent John17:3
The Father is greater than I John14:28
And of course, Christ, the Father, Peter and Paul all state the Father is the God of Christ(Heb1:9, Rev3:12, John20:17, 2Cor1:3, 1Peter1:3)
If Jesus is the one true God, we could ask our experts, who is the God of the one true omnipotent God? I have not heard of him, possibly mailmandan can find out by referencing the greek or concordances
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I hope im not one of those guys who you are waiting reply from, BECAUSE I always give a reply! If i see it! This thread moves fast!
I know we disagree on the perseverance of the saints vs arminianism thing, BUT i like you for some reason. i cant put it in words, but you got a cool snappy yet sweet style of writing! Reminds me of some peopel I know.
But: everyone calls you Fran, is that your real life name or your nickname here before? is that rumor true?
I know we disagree on the perseverance of the saints vs arminianism thing, BUT i like you for some reason. i cant put it in words, but you got a cool snappy yet sweet style of writing! Reminds me of some peopel I know.
But: everyone calls you Fran, is that your real life name or your nickname here before? is that rumor true?
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It's hard to understand? We are sanctified by the Spirit of Christ. Set apart by the new birth, empowered by Holy Spirit to live our life in Him.
Jesus commits Himself to His body to bring us into unity with Him and between His members.
The first work IMO, is to renew our minds to the Word. The mind of Christ.
Jesus commits Himself to His body to bring us into unity with Him and between His members.
The first work IMO, is to renew our minds to the Word. The mind of Christ.
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So nice to find someone that is actually serious about this discussion.
The above is right, of course. You agree with me.
We are NOT saved by our works/deeds. The works we would do thinking we could GAIN SALVATION would be the deeds of our own righteousness. God doesn't need our deeds of righteousness.
We are saved by His mercy,,,through His grace...by our Faith. Faith is the transmitter...as long as we have faith, we have eternal security.
The above is not right. Justification comes by repenetence...not Sanctification.
Please check out this link...it explains the difference really well and will save me some typing.
http://www.differencebetween.net/mi...nce-between-justification-and-sanctification/
The problem here is that the word REPENT is used incorrectly these days.
To repent means to turn around, change our direction, and go the other way.
We repent ONE TIME and at that time we become Justified and decide to walk with God.
Instead when we sin we can say that we're sorry for our sin and ask forgiveness. It's not necessary to REPENT again...you're still walking with God,,,you've only fallen and need to get up.
i agree but would make two comments.
1. Could we say that we get bitten by sharks instead of saying we're in shark-infested waters.? Do you see a difference?
2. I hope you're using the word repent correctly---I'm not sure. We only repent BEFORE we are saved...
Amen to that!
Praise God.
I'm not disputing any law.
What I'm doing is disputing what it means to remain saved. Some here don't think we need to remain saved. They think we could do what we want to...wallow in the mire....and still be saved. This is not true and is not taught by Jesus or any of the writer's. I'll state this till the day I die. And I do try to be gentle...sometimes those on here make it a little difficult but I don't think I've been mean to anyone.
Why do you think that for YOU .... HE gets all the glory
and for ME.....He doesn't? Who did I ever say gets the glory??? Me?
How many times have I said that it's the Holy Spirit that keeps us....
Right!
Ephesians 2:8-9 speaks about Justification.
Ephesians 2:10 speaks about Sanctification.
Another AMEN!
The above is right, of course. You agree with me.
We are NOT saved by our works/deeds. The works we would do thinking we could GAIN SALVATION would be the deeds of our own righteousness. God doesn't need our deeds of righteousness.
We are saved by His mercy,,,through His grace...by our Faith. Faith is the transmitter...as long as we have faith, we have eternal security.
The above is not right. Justification comes by repenetence...not Sanctification.
Please check out this link...it explains the difference really well and will save me some typing.
http://www.differencebetween.net/mi...nce-between-justification-and-sanctification/
The problem here is that the word REPENT is used incorrectly these days.
To repent means to turn around, change our direction, and go the other way.
We repent ONE TIME and at that time we become Justified and decide to walk with God.
Instead when we sin we can say that we're sorry for our sin and ask forgiveness. It's not necessary to REPENT again...you're still walking with God,,,you've only fallen and need to get up.
i agree but would make two comments.
1. Could we say that we get bitten by sharks instead of saying we're in shark-infested waters.? Do you see a difference?
2. I hope you're using the word repent correctly---I'm not sure. We only repent BEFORE we are saved...
Amen to that!
Praise God.
I'm not disputing any law.
What I'm doing is disputing what it means to remain saved. Some here don't think we need to remain saved. They think we could do what we want to...wallow in the mire....and still be saved. This is not true and is not taught by Jesus or any of the writer's. I'll state this till the day I die. And I do try to be gentle...sometimes those on here make it a little difficult but I don't think I've been mean to anyone.
Why do you think that for YOU .... HE gets all the glory
and for ME.....He doesn't? Who did I ever say gets the glory??? Me?
How many times have I said that it's the Holy Spirit that keeps us....
Right!
Ephesians 2:8-9 speaks about Justification.
Ephesians 2:10 speaks about Sanctification.
Another AMEN!
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Yes.. I find that we don't always understand each other, so I like to make sure.
Here's verse 13:
13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
I agree with everything you said..
Unfortunately, I don't see a lot of union...but that'll be taken care of at our death.
I would like to add that verse 13 plainly states that we have been chosen to salvation through sanctification.
No sanctification.....no salvation.
This is why I think it's so important to understand sanctification...
Here's verse 13:
13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
I agree with everything you said..
Unfortunately, I don't see a lot of union...but that'll be taken care of at our death.
I would like to add that verse 13 plainly states that we have been chosen to salvation through sanctification.
No sanctification.....no salvation.
This is why I think it's so important to understand sanctification...
Peter the apostle
Peter walked with Jesus, was given the ministry of leading the church.
Yet he had refused to enter a gentiles home or eat with him.
God had made gentiles clean in the vision.
So Peter preached the good news and saw the Holy Spirit fall on the people.
Walking in holiness was part of their life and never changed.
Peter was so cut up about the denial he made of Jesus, he was by tradition crucified upside down.
Those who compromise with sin so easily and claim that is part of knowing Christs forgiveness have
not understood death that comes with sin.
For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil."
1 Peter 3:10-12
Did Peter say, you can and will continue to do evil and fail to do good, but Jesus forgives you? No
Peter walked with Jesus, was given the ministry of leading the church.
Yet he had refused to enter a gentiles home or eat with him.
God had made gentiles clean in the vision.
So Peter preached the good news and saw the Holy Spirit fall on the people.
Walking in holiness was part of their life and never changed.
Peter was so cut up about the denial he made of Jesus, he was by tradition crucified upside down.
Those who compromise with sin so easily and claim that is part of knowing Christs forgiveness have
not understood death that comes with sin.
For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil."
1 Peter 3:10-12
Did Peter say, you can and will continue to do evil and fail to do good, but Jesus forgives you? No
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@UnderGrace pardon me for asking... but are you by any chance dcon's wife? You declared him a national treasure a while ago, and you seem to agree on everything!
I ask with the utmost respect, make no mistake! Not that its any of my business, but im a curious cat
I ask with the utmost respect, make no mistake! Not that its any of my business, but im a curious cat
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I miss brother @preacher4truth 's participation in this forum! he has been a blessing to me
I miss brother @Sackcloth-N-Ashes too.
They used to post regularly! Then we started agreeing a lot...... Next thing you know we had the hyper-dispensational heretics ducking and running! We havent heard from them since! We sent the hyper-calvinist hardshell baptists packin too!
I miss brother @Sackcloth-N-Ashes too.
They used to post regularly! Then we started agreeing a lot...... Next thing you know we had the hyper-dispensational heretics ducking and running! We havent heard from them since! We sent the hyper-calvinist hardshell baptists packin too!
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When you have no integrity, and no conviction about repeatedly sinning while lying and deceiving.
When You make up a fake account and continue deceiving, you don't really have too big a problem with printing lies for all to see.
You probably also might want to make your election sure by seeing if the Holy Spirit actually dwells in you.
When You make up a fake account and continue deceiving, you don't really have too big a problem with printing lies for all to see.
You probably also might want to make your election sure by seeing if the Holy Spirit actually dwells in you.
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