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"so many workers think they are saved"
My experience is actually the opposite. Those who truly are workers for salvation have no clue they are saved
which is why they work so hard to prove something.
And in witnessing that the cross demonstrates Gods overwhelming love and acceptance of us where we are, which
transforms peoples lives. And their desire to walk in Gods ways is powered by this realisation, which is often miss-understood
as working for salvation rather than an expression of joy and thanks to the King who has saved us.
It is often those who have no victory and sit disallusioned with their failure who hate those who walk in Gods grace
and victory. And you cannot fake a changed heart.
My experience is actually the opposite. Those who truly are workers for salvation have no clue they are saved
which is why they work so hard to prove something.
And in witnessing that the cross demonstrates Gods overwhelming love and acceptance of us where we are, which
transforms peoples lives. And their desire to walk in Gods ways is powered by this realisation, which is often miss-understood
as working for salvation rather than an expression of joy and thanks to the King who has saved us.
It is often those who have no victory and sit disallusioned with their failure who hate those who walk in Gods grace
and victory. And you cannot fake a changed heart.
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When i give a child a gift, it is theres to do what they want, if they use it and are blessed b t, great, if they do not use it, and it sits collecting dust, thats great also.
I do not kick them out of my family or take back that gift because they did not do what i think they should do.
If you have kids, i pity them!
Shane on you man, shame on you!
I do not kick them out of my family or take back that gift because they did not do what i think they should do.
If you have kids, i pity them!
Shane on you man, shame on you!
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I agree sanctification is important, but I think this verse says so much..
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Titus 3:5-7 NASB
Sanctification and relationship are important and they come with repentance, right? Believing in Him brings us to our knees, filled with shame and guilt, ready to repent, asking Him to save us.
He is all about sanctification. Yes, it is so important. We just get ourselves in a dog paddling estate, in the middle of shark (satan) infested waters, when we forget we are innocent by association with Him, not because we anything. Do we get to contribute...yes. Do we get to be a part of His plan...yes. Does He want and expect us to obey...yes. But we see in so many places, ours is to repent, His is to save..
For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all. Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became his counselor ? Or who has first given to Him that it might be paid back to him again ? For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.
Romans 11:32-36 NASB
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written, " Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord ."
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 NASB
We are told not to engage in disputes over laws because it is fruitless, but as long as we do this...
with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,
2 Timothy 2:25 NASB
We should be ok. I will be. You, however, may end up with a hardened, reprobated, heart if you keep arguing.
Just kidding...
I still believe you are my Sister, that you too call on the name of the Lord, that we both agree obeying Him is fundamental to our Salvation. I think the difference we have is that for me, He gets all the Glory, for even our repentance. We must keep our eyes on the Savior. It is wise to know He is. Holy and Just, able to squash our souls like a bug, and so comforting knowing He wants instead to give us life. He is so good, ours is to accept His calling.
Him mercy towards us propels our mission towards His.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB
Yes, He wants our commitment and fellowship. He died for it. Talk about selfless love. May we all walk in it.
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Titus 3:5-7 NASB
Sanctification and relationship are important and they come with repentance, right? Believing in Him brings us to our knees, filled with shame and guilt, ready to repent, asking Him to save us.
He is all about sanctification. Yes, it is so important. We just get ourselves in a dog paddling estate, in the middle of shark (satan) infested waters, when we forget we are innocent by association with Him, not because we anything. Do we get to contribute...yes. Do we get to be a part of His plan...yes. Does He want and expect us to obey...yes. But we see in so many places, ours is to repent, His is to save..
For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all. Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became his counselor ? Or who has first given to Him that it might be paid back to him again ? For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.
Romans 11:32-36 NASB
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written, " Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord ."
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 NASB
We are told not to engage in disputes over laws because it is fruitless, but as long as we do this...
with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,
2 Timothy 2:25 NASB
We should be ok. I will be. You, however, may end up with a hardened, reprobated, heart if you keep arguing.
Just kidding...
I still believe you are my Sister, that you too call on the name of the Lord, that we both agree obeying Him is fundamental to our Salvation. I think the difference we have is that for me, He gets all the Glory, for even our repentance. We must keep our eyes on the Savior. It is wise to know He is. Holy and Just, able to squash our souls like a bug, and so comforting knowing He wants instead to give us life. He is so good, ours is to accept His calling.
Him mercy towards us propels our mission towards His.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB
Yes, He wants our commitment and fellowship. He died for it. Talk about selfless love. May we all walk in it.
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Consider yourself lucky! I for one am SINGLE. SAD TIMES.
I havent fornicated in a while, but have I lusted after women? I would be lying if i said i didnt!
I blame my genetics, i've been like that since always. i also blame modern society for their dresscode. There are probably more excuses down the pipe.......
In all seriousness: It is my fault despite the circumstances, but WHAT am i supposed to do? Dont have the $$$$ to get married.
I havent fornicated in a while, but have I lusted after women? I would be lying if i said i didnt!
I blame my genetics, i've been like that since always. i also blame modern society for their dresscode. There are probably more excuses down the pipe.......
In all seriousness: It is my fault despite the circumstances, but WHAT am i supposed to do? Dont have the $$$$ to get married.
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Of course if sin is me disagreeing with you, I am a sinner.
If everyone who I meet, I must do everything they ask of me until I drop dead or are physically incapable of responding, then I am a sinner.
This is so so so so extreme a position, I cannot understand how you think this is rational to any degree.
As we grow up, learning boundaries of what we can ask people to do, and what not is part of development.
It sounds like you do not believe in these boundaries.
The problem is as I said, heaven could not function with this morality, nor any society.
It is simply because no individual can know the obligations another has on them, and must rely on communication
and agreement to proceed with anything. Sin does not enter into this interaction.
Sin enters when selfish manipulation, damage and hurt are acted on.
For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
James 1:13-15
In the above list it is desire that gives birth to sin. An evil desire is a reality, which we are born with and we work with each day.
If one makes sinful normal life interactions, no wonder ones life gets in a mess, because there is never a place of peace or contentment in Jesus, or even good loving interactions with others, where boundaries and obligations are recognised properly.
If everyone who I meet, I must do everything they ask of me until I drop dead or are physically incapable of responding, then I am a sinner.
This is so so so so extreme a position, I cannot understand how you think this is rational to any degree.
As we grow up, learning boundaries of what we can ask people to do, and what not is part of development.
It sounds like you do not believe in these boundaries.
The problem is as I said, heaven could not function with this morality, nor any society.
It is simply because no individual can know the obligations another has on them, and must rely on communication
and agreement to proceed with anything. Sin does not enter into this interaction.
Sin enters when selfish manipulation, damage and hurt are acted on.
For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
James 1:13-15
In the above list it is desire that gives birth to sin. An evil desire is a reality, which we are born with and we work with each day.
If one makes sinful normal life interactions, no wonder ones life gets in a mess, because there is never a place of peace or contentment in Jesus, or even good loving interactions with others, where boundaries and obligations are recognised properly.
Exactly! If we have faith or trust is an easier word to understand, and Holy Spirit gives instruction, we will do. If it requires a do. Or war with a promise.
I've received a specific word about my children. When I see the opposite, I put faith or trust in the truth which is always Gods word given. He is faithful.
I've received a specific word about my children. When I see the opposite, I put faith or trust in the truth which is always Gods word given. He is faithful.
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"You and I do not get to define sin"
Amen. But you are defining sin by your own view of what perfection is. Are you prepared to accept what Jesus said?
Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light
Matt 11:28-30
What you have described is not easy, or gentle, or humble, or easy or a light burden.
So I do not believe it is what Jesus is describing.
Jesus called us to love our enemies. He said the Father did, so should we, because that would be perfect.
And if we do, we are being perfect. Jesus has great faith in us that we are capable of being perfect.
Amen. But you are defining sin by your own view of what perfection is. Are you prepared to accept what Jesus said?
Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light
Matt 11:28-30
What you have described is not easy, or gentle, or humble, or easy or a light burden.
So I do not believe it is what Jesus is describing.
Jesus called us to love our enemies. He said the Father did, so should we, because that would be perfect.
And if we do, we are being perfect. Jesus has great faith in us that we are capable of being perfect.
Ok well, I have mulled and mulled some more about this topic. I am grateful because my heart is more fixed, thanks be to Him. Am I there, have I arrived with regards to understanding...hahahaha, NOPE!
So I put my trust in Him.
Accountability alert for this Sister...
It is time for me to walk away from this for awhile as I am becoming obsessive, (lol@becoming, that ship passed a long time ago, lol). I am a gerbil on a treadmill here. So in Him, I rest as I get ta getting elsewhere. Thanks so much Brothers and Sisters. I love you all in Christ. May the peace of Him be with you and yours forever.
So I put my trust in Him.
Accountability alert for this Sister...
It is time for me to walk away from this for awhile as I am becoming obsessive, (lol@becoming, that ship passed a long time ago, lol). I am a gerbil on a treadmill here. So in Him, I rest as I get ta getting elsewhere. Thanks so much Brothers and Sisters. I love you all in Christ. May the peace of Him be with you and yours forever.
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You say if the Prodigal died in the hogpen the father would then bring him home????
Why didnt the father go to the hogpen and bring him home while he was alive?
What kind of father would let their son die and then go get him?
Jesus said the son was lost....and dead
This boy had to make the choice to go back to the father house just like every backslider must do
Why didnt the father go to the hogpen and bring him home while he was alive?
What kind of father would let their son die and then go get him?
Jesus said the son was lost....and dead
This boy had to make the choice to go back to the father house just like every backslider must do
wow.
Talk about legalism !!
Jesus said:
Matthew 11:28-30 jesus:
28“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29“Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.
30“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Talk about legalism !!
Jesus said:
Matthew 11:28-30 jesus:
28“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29“Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.
30“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
Verse 13 tells how we are sanctified. The results may be many and different.
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EG is saying that he is under grace...
and YOU are under the Law...
So, being under the law, if you break one sin, you've broken them all.
There's a problem here with simple Christian beliefs.
I'm very sorry about this....
EG should learn the difference between Justfctn and Sanctfcn...
The Law and Grace.
What saves...
What keeps saved.
Many think they believe once and are saved forever, no matter what.
This is OSAS.
They believe Jesus DID IT ALL on the cross and so WE don't have to do ANYTHING.
Some actually think that believing in works is a sin because we're saying Jesus needs help.
So much other stuff that's wrong...
and YOU are under the Law...
So, being under the law, if you break one sin, you've broken them all.
There's a problem here with simple Christian beliefs.
I'm very sorry about this....
EG should learn the difference between Justfctn and Sanctfcn...
The Law and Grace.
What saves...
What keeps saved.
Many think they believe once and are saved forever, no matter what.
This is OSAS.
They believe Jesus DID IT ALL on the cross and so WE don't have to do ANYTHING.
Some actually think that believing in works is a sin because we're saying Jesus needs help.
So much other stuff that's wrong...
EG.....Did you not read this part of the post
Our sins were not remitted at Calvary. They were remitted at conversion
if all your sins.....even future sins were clean forgiven over 2000 yrs ago at Calvary.......how could we be born into this world sinners? Would we not be born already free from the power of sin if your logic is correct?
we repent and become born again........at conversion
Our sins were not remitted at Calvary. They were remitted at conversion
if all your sins.....even future sins were clean forgiven over 2000 yrs ago at Calvary.......how could we be born into this world sinners? Would we not be born already free from the power of sin if your logic is correct?
we repent and become born again........at conversion