Three day and nights reckoned as suffering? or dead in the Tomb?

[garee]

In regard to the phrase three days and nights in the "heart of the earth" as the last sign and wonder , it is compared to the Jonas parable three days and nights in the "belly of the whale" .

What is the three days and night referring to? Three day of suffering the pangs of hell as a living sacrifice or a dead sacrifice?

Some say the two references "heart of the earth" and "belly of the whale" speak of the tomb. But the Passover included a day of preparation as part of the promised demonstration of the lamb of God who was slain from before the foundation of the world .

I say the work of suffering the pangs of hell began in the garden on Thursday . This is as the father poured out the wrath of the Son. And to show he was working sweat as if it was blood poured out and like with Jonah, Jesus was strengthened to finish that part of the demonstration

If the portion below does not represent part of the preparation What was the purpose for the parable?

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.Luke 22:42-44

The metaphor "as it were great drops of blood" fullfils the promise of Joel . That God would pour out His unseen Spirit on all flesh

 

[Dino246]

In regard to the phrase three days and nights in the "heart of the earth" as the last sign and wonder , it is compared to the Jonas parable three days and nights in the "belly of the whale" .

Where does Scripture say or even hint that the sign of Jonah is the "last" sign?

What is the three days and night referring to? Three day of suffering the pangs of hell as a living sacrifice or a dead sacrifice?

"Three days and nights" weren't "referring to" anything; they were literal... about 72 hours between Jesus' burial and His resurrection.

If the portion below does not represent part of the preparation What was the purpose for the parable?

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.Luke 22:42-44

It wasn't a parable, and it wasn't a metaphor. Jesus literally (not figuratively) had blood mixed with sweat.

The metaphor "as it were great drops of blood" fullfils the promise of Joel . That God would pour out His unseen Spirit on all flesh

No; Joel's prophecy was fulfilled at Pentecost, recorded in Acts 2. Peter clearly connected the two. Jesus' sweating blood has nothing to do with Joel's prophecy.

 

[Noose]

In regard to the phrase three days and nights in the "heart of the earth" as the last sign and wonder , it is compared to the Jonas parable three days and nights in the "belly of the whale" .

What is the three days and night referring to? Three day of suffering the pangs of hell as a living sacrifice or a dead sacrifice?

Some say the two references "heart of the earth" and "belly of the whale" speak of the tomb. But the Passover included a day of preparation as part of the promised demonstration of the lamb of God who was slain from before the foundation of the world .

I say the work of suffering the pangs of hell began in the garden on Thursday . This is as the father poured out the wrath of the Son. And to show he was working sweat as if it was blood poured out and like with Jonah, Jesus was strengthened to finish that part of the demonstration

If the portion below does not represent part of the preparation What was the purpose for the parable?

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.Luke 22:42-44

The metaphor "as it were great drops of blood" fullfils the promise of Joel . That God would pour out His unseen Spirit on all flesh

That is a straight forward prophesy/sign IMO, 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb it was just like Jonah spent 3 days and 3 nights in the belly.

 

[pottersclay]

In regard to the phrase three days and nights in the "heart of the earth" as the last sign and wonder , it is compared to the Jonas parable three days and nights in the "belly of the whale" .

What is the three days and night referring to? Three day of suffering the pangs of hell as a living sacrifice or a dead sacrifice?

Some say the two references "heart of the earth" and "belly of the whale" speak of the tomb. But the Passover included a day of preparation as part of the promised demonstration of the lamb of God who was slain from before the foundation of the world .

I say the work of suffering the pangs of hell began in the garden on Thursday . This is as the father poured out the wrath of the Son. And to show he was working sweat as if it was blood poured out and like with Jonah, Jesus was strengthened to finish that part of the demonstration

If the portion below does not represent part of the preparation What was the purpose for the parable?

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.Luke 22:42-44

The metaphor "as it were great drops of blood" fullfils the promise of Joel . That God would pour out His unseen Spirit on all flesh

Garee I'm detecting mushrooms here😃😃😃

 

[dcontroversal]

Jesus went to paradise.....that does not sound like hell to me.......

 

[garee]

That is a straight forward prophesy/sign IMO, 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb it was just like Jonah spent 3 days and 3 nights in the belly.

That's what the question is .Is the three days in literal tomb or three day demonstration beginning with the suffering in the garden of gethsemane along with the demonstration on the cross and them n in the tomb.

Was it a living sacrifice as it was of Jonas? During the demonstration. Did Christ pour His Spirit as if it was blood?

 

[KnowMe]

That's what the question is .Is the three days in literal tomb or three day demonstration beginning with the suffering in the garden of gethsemane along with the demonstration on the cross and them n in the tomb.

Was it a living sacrifice as it was of Jonas? During the demonstration. Did Christ pour His Spirit as if it was blood?

I believe so as well as the time between the 9th hour and early morning on the first day.

 

[garee]

Jesus went to paradise.....that does not sound like hell to me.......

Hell has to do with the suffering Christ experienced as the lamb of God. and demonstrated by the Son of man Jesus.

hell is a living work . The dead that have no body and no spirit have to means to suffer.

Hell suffering in the flesh is the standpoint from where Jonas cried from (by reason of mine affliction ) as well as Christ by reason of his affliction . Crying out....Father take away the suffering of hell but not as I will but as you. Both the father and the Son working together in perfect mutual submission to bring us the peace of God that surpasses human understanding

Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV)Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

 

[jb]

In regard to the phrase three days and nights in the "heart of the earth" as the last sign and wonder , it is compared to the Jonas parable three days and nights in the "belly of the whale" .

What is the three days and night referring to? Three day of suffering the pangs of hell as a living sacrifice or a dead sacrifice?

Some say the two references "heart of the earth" and "belly of the whale" speak of the tomb. But the Passover included a day of preparation as part of the promised demonstration of the lamb of God who was slain from before the foundation of the world .

I say the work of suffering the pangs of hell began in the garden on Thursday . This is as the father poured out the wrath of the Son. And to show he was working sweat as if it was blood poured out and like with Jonah, Jesus was strengthened to finish that part of the demonstration

If the portion below does not represent part of the preparation What was the purpose for the parable?

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.Luke 22:42-44

The metaphor "as it were great drops of blood" fullfils the promise of Joel . That God would pour out His unseen Spirit on all flesh

I did a blog on this, you can find it Here

 

[Locutus]

What is the three days and night referring to? Three day of suffering the pangs of hell as a living sacrifice or a dead sacrifice?

Good question.

Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

As we all die and taste of death, the question is what death did Christ "taste" of for everyone?

 

[garee]

Good question.

Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

As we all die and taste of death, the question is what death did Christ "taste" of for everyone?

Hi Thanks for the reply.

I think because Christ as the Son of God cannot die.... tasting death (not dying) represented by the Son of man Jesus as the father poured out his wrath, Christ poured out His Spirit in jeopardy of dying (not dead) as if it was blood. Flesh and blood cannot enter the new heavens and earth . Blood and water are both used as metaphors in parables the represent the unseen Spirit work of God the work of the Holy Spirit . Just as in the garden gethsemane. Christ not only tasted but drank the wrath of God and during the living sacrifice cried out to be delivered .The father strengthen Jesus and together they finished the garden demonstration..

A difference between tasting and drinking . While some taste and see others eat or drink as doing the will of another. Its the kind of food or drink that does strengthen our inner new man that Christ spoke of in that parable. The food the disciples knew not of.

Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Seeing and tasting does not equal trusting. Trusting or having faith comes by eating or drinking the whole

And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Hebrew 6

It is like when Jesus spoke the parable John 6 in respect to "drink my blood" the spiritual meaning as the gospel was hid .And a search to compare the spiritual understanding to the spiritual can help to bring the encouragement of the gospel . John 6 can be compared to Samuel 23:14 -17 together with 1 Chronicles 11:18-20

It would seem that David needed to hear the good news an encouragement from God. And like many times God can use the physical world to give us his unseen assurance. Below David was led after the thirst of hearing the gospel . again using blood or water alaike to represent the work of the unseen Holy Spirit. David would not drink it but poured it out into the ground just as if he was pouring blood into the ground according to the ceremonial law. The Lord equated pouring our of water as giving ones spirit life a in jeopardy for another he would not drink it . The glory of drinking the wrath of the faith is only between the Son of God and the fainter .The work Christ did perform for us it is signified as if the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives?

Blood = Spirit not seen
Water = Spirit not seen

And David was then in an hold, and the garrison of the Philistines was then in Bethlehem And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate! And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord. And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men....2 Samuel 23:14 -17

 

[Dino246]

I think because Christ as the Son of God cannot die.... tasting death (not dying) represented by the Son of man Jesus as the father poured out his wrath, Christ poured out His Spirit in jeopardy of dying (not dead) as if it was blood.

Jesus wasn't merely "dying" on the cross; He was DEAD. He didn't "taste death" and spit it out; He physically died.

Mark 15:44 Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died.
John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
Acts 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

Because your opening premise is faulty, the rest of your post is irrelevant.

 

[garee]

Jesus wasn't merely "dying" on the cross; He was DEAD. He didn't "taste death" and spit it out; He physically died.

Mark 15:44 Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died.
John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
Acts 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

Because your opening premise is faulty, the rest of your post is irrelevant.

His body was kept from corrupting. You could say "dead asleep" like the example of Lazarus used to show the second and final resurrection . Christ was used to show the first ressurection the promise of opening the graves of the old testament saints as they are moved to the house of many mansions, as the bride of Christ. Christian. Christ cannot die.

Because your premise is faulty that God who is not a man as us could die, the rest of your post is irrelevant.

John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

To be completely dead is to never rise to new promised spirit life .Scripture defines the word dead in respect to a new creation as asleep.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it

 

[Dino246]

His body was kept from corrupting. You could say "dead asleep" like the example of Lazarus used to show the second and final resurrection . Christ was used to show the first ressurection the promise of opening the graves of the old testament saints as they are moved to the house of many mansions, as the bride of Christ. Christian. Christ cannot die.

Because your premise is faulty that God who is not a man as us could die, the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Do you believe that Jesus died on the cross? It's a simple question warranting either "yes" or "no" in reply.

 

[garee]

Do you believe that Jesus died on the cross? It's a simple question warranting either "yes" or "no" in reply.

If I was to take away the spiritual understanding of the word "dead", yes. But God defines His own words. Not Webster or any man. To a new creature that has been freely given a new spirit that will never die, having passed from death to eternal life "dead" is to be asleep .

I would offer. To begin with the Holy Spirit of Christ defines the word "death or dead". Giving us the spiritual understanding hid in that parable.. (This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God) it represents the unseen spiritual understanding.

John 11:4 (KJV) When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

The meaning of that parable was hid no spiritual understanding was perceived by the apostles which is shown below.

John 11:11-13 (KJV) These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of "taking of rest in sleep".

The literal or plain understanding not hid from natural man

John 11:11-13 (KJV) Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

In that way the Son of man was dead. His body saw not corruption or did not age. But dead never to rise to new spirit life. as literally plainly dead.... no!

If I was to offer the spiritual understanding ...he freely gave his spirit life in jeopardy of His own spirit. God cannot die and never rise to new Spirit life. God was not born again . He has no mother or father, he is without nature .

 

[Adstar]

That's what the question is .Is the three days in literal tomb or three day demonstration beginning with the suffering in the garden of gethsemane along with the demonstration on the cross and them n in the tomb.

Was it a living sacrifice as it was of Jonas? During the demonstration. Did Christ pour His Spirit as if it was blood?

The 3 nights and days where pointing to the literal time the Body of Jesus was in the Tomb...

 

[Dino246]

If I was to take away the spiritual understanding of the word "dead", yes. But God defines His own words. Not Webster or any man. To a new creature that has been freely given a new spirit that will never die, having passed from death to eternal life "dead" is to be asleep .

I would offer. To begin with the Holy Spirit of Christ defines the word "death or dead". Giving us the spiritual understanding hid in that parable.. (This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God) it represents the unseen spiritual understanding.

John 11:4 (KJV) When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

The meaning of that parable was hid no spiritual understanding was perceived by the apostles which is shown below.

John 11:11-13 (KJV) These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of "taking of rest in sleep".

The literal or plain understanding not hid from natural man

John 11:11-13 (KJV) Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

In that way the Son of man was dead. His body saw not corruption or did not age. But dead never to rise to new spirit life. as literally plainly dead.... no!

If I was to offer the spiritual understanding ...he freely gave his spirit life in jeopardy of His own spirit. God cannot die and never rise to new Spirit life. God was not born again . He has no mother or father, he is without nature .

Bafflegab and equivocation.

You are undermining the critical truth that Jesus died on the cross, allowing room for heresy. While you make a valid point that death only affects the physical body, you do so with such opacity that your position will be easily misunderstood.

Again, Garee, you would do well to take a writing course, both to learn how to craft coherent sentences and paragraphs, and to learn how to discuss complex subjects in plain language. Your demonstrated weakness in both areas has left more than one reader wondering what you're smoking.

 

[garee]

Bafflegab and equivocation.

You are undermining the critical truth that Jesus died on the cross, allowing room for heresy. While you make a valid point that death only affects the physical body, you do so with such opacity that your position will be easily misunderstood.

Again, Garee, you would do well to take a writing course, both to learn how to craft coherent sentences and paragraphs, and to learn how to discuss complex subjects in plain language. Your demonstrated weakness in both areas has left more than one reader wondering what you're smoking.

Its not that difficult to understand once the word dead or death is defined in reference to sleep using the scriptures to define the words. Knowing they can hide the spiritual understanding. . God cannot not literally die and never exist as the spirit essence of life. Who would hold all things together by the power of his will.?

What I wonder is how you define dead as in Lazarus, or the Son of man Jesus. Was it a matter of not seeing corruption decay for those days or reincarnation?

 

[garee]

The 3 nights and days where pointing to the literal time the Body of Jesus was in the Tomb...

I think part of the demonstration of the lamb of God who was slain from before the foundation of the world can be rendered in the Tomb .While another part of the same demonstration on the cross. And the beginning part in the garden. With all three as a witness to the one promised demonstration.

 

[Sipsey]

Bafflegab and equivocation.

You are undermining the critical truth that Jesus died on the cross, allowing room for heresy. While you make a valid point that death only affects the physical body, you do so with such opacity that your position will be easily misunderstood.

Again, Garee, you would do well to take a writing course, both to learn how to craft coherent sentences and paragraphs, and to learn how to discuss complex subjects in plain language. Your demonstrated weakness in both areas has left more than one reader wondering what you're smoking.

I like the word, opacity!