Leviticus 19:33-34, and “National Emergencies”

[Nehemiah6]

...whereas a significant amount of people who call themselves Americans, of a nation presumably under God, declare a “national emergency,” looking to turn strangers away instead of welcoming them?

You are using FALSE ANALOGIES to suggest that ILLEGAL MIGRANT INVADERS are the same as sojourners in the land of Israel. Typical Left Liberal baloney.

1. Migrant invasion is a declaration of war against America and the West. It is indeed a national emergency and national security is at stake. The only problem is that Mr. Trump has waited too long, and dithered about the construction of that wall, which he promised all along. As President, he already had the authority and the resources to start building that wall the day he took office (without going to Congress or anyone else). But he hired the wrong people, and is now paying for his mistakes. Now it is too little, too late.

2. The majority of migrant invaders are lawless people (including Islamist terrorists and vicious gangsters such as Ms-13), who will enter the country to break the laws, murder, rape, kidnap, assault, torture and steal, while promoting drugs, human trafficking, prostitution, and racketeering.

3. The countries they are coming from have huge amount (billions and billions) of drug money which could easily settle all these migrants in their own countries and provide them with the basic necessities and gainful employment. But the drug cartels control Mexico, Central America, and large swaths of Latin America, and this is a part of their empire building on the backs of Americans.

4. There is no country in the world -- other than the USA -- that does not care to enforce its immigration laws strictly and effectively. Legal immigrants have to jump through hundreds of hoops, while the illegals brazenly violate the borders and get away with it.

5. Illegal aliens and migrants are entering for several reasons: (1) taking advantage of the welfare system, (2) committing crimes with impunity, (3) engaging in terrorism, and (4) engaging in voter fraud to bolster the fortunes of the evil Democrats.

6. Globalist billionaires (and other globalists such as the Pope, the UN, the EU etc) are bound and determined to destroy the face of the West, destroy Western values, destroy Christian values, and promote anarchy and lawlessness in order to destroy all Western nations internally.

So what you are promoting is not Christian values but Satanic attacks on lawful citizens, the Constitution, and the rule of law.

 

[Dino246]

You are using FALSE ANALOGIES to suggest that ILLEGAL MIGRANT INVADERS are the same as sojourners in the land of Israel. Typical Left Liberal baloney.

1. Migrant invasion is a declaration of war against America and the West. It is indeed a national emergency and national security is at stake. The only problem is that Mr. Trump has waited too long, and dithered about the construction of that wall, which he promised all along. As President, he already had the authority and the resources to start building that wall the day he took office (without going to Congress or anyone else). But he hired the wrong people, and is now paying for his mistakes. Now it is too little, too late.

2. The majority of migrant invaders are lawless people (including Islamist terrorists and vicious gangsters such as Ms-13), who will enter the country to break the laws, murder, rape, kidnap, assault, torture and steal, while promoting drugs, human trafficking, prostitution, and racketeering.

3. The countries they are coming from have huge amount (billions and billions) of drug money which could easily settle all these migrants in their own countries and provide them with the basic necessities and gainful employment. But the drug cartels control Mexico, Central America, and large swaths of Latin America, and this is a part of their empire building on the backs of Americans.

4. There is no country in the world -- other than the USA -- that does not care to enforce its immigration laws strictly and effectively. Legal immigrants have to jump through hundreds of hoops, while the illegals brazenly violate the borders and get away with it.

5. Illegal aliens and migrants are entering for several reasons: (1) taking advantage of the welfare system, (2) committing crimes with impunity, (3) engaging in terrorism, and (4) engaging in voter fraud to bolster the fortunes of the evil Democrats.

6. Globalist billionaires (and other globalists such as the Pope, the UN, the EU etc) are bound and determined to destroy the face of the West, destroy Western values, destroy Christian values, and promote anarchy and lawlessness in order to destroy all Western nations internally.

So what you are promoting is not Christian values but Satanic attacks on lawful citizens, the Constitution, and the rule of law.

If I were American, I might just vote for you.

 

[newton3003]

Great... so which are the terrorists, and which are the refugees?

Those who seek to enter another nation illegally during peacetime would fit into the former category.

Still willing to kill them all?

***I only know what the Scriptures say. I’m not a security expert, but here is my understanding:

The terrorists are the ones that try coming in armed. They should be killed if it appears they will use their arms, or their arms should be confiscated if possible, then arrested as POW’s. No different than someone who is armed who enters a church with the intent of shooting everybody up, except that the church shooter would be subject to due process that any American is entitled to, and incarcerated.

The refugees are the ones who make the case that they, and their family if they came with one, are refugees and not terrorists. If they happen to be armed, but they showed no intent of using those arms, their arms should be confiscated, and returned after a waiting period, say until the government determines they are not a threat.

Unfortunately, because of the Second Amendment this is the best we can do and still call ourselves Christians.

It should be noted that the crime rate among immigrants is much lower than that among American citizens. It should also be noted that before Trump, the issue of immigrants entering the country in terms of Americans being threatened, except for 9-11, has not been cause for much concern. There hasn’t been a 9-11 since, and we don’t have a wall.

Nevertheless, common sense helps. Americans by nature at this point should be on the lookout for ANY suspicious people or activity, as in “If you see something, say something.’ This is in addition to the security and safety provided by the government.

 

[newton3003]

If I were American, I might just vote for you.

The hysteria among the Right concerning immigrants is breathtaking.

 

[Dino246]

The hysteria among the Right concerning immigrants is breathtaking.

Yawn. I'm not American... I have no horse in this race. Y'all are destroying yourselves.

 

[newton3003]

You are using FALSE ANALOGIES to suggest that ILLEGAL MIGRANT INVADERS are the same as sojourners in the land of Israel. Typical Left Liberal baloney....

***You've been watching too much fake news from Fox News. "Migrant invaders?" Is that what Sean Hannity and Ann Coulture say?
Either they have a severe case of paranoia, sharing their hysteria with their viewers, or they're stirring up a false concern to promote the Right wing at the expense and loss of everyone else including those who think they are part of the Right wing. And those who only get what they believe to be news from Fox News are believing it.

As an aside, it would be coincidental if Nehemiah6 favors the wall that Trump wants. since in the Book of Nehemiah there are passages devoted to a wall being built.

 

[newton3003]

Yawn. I'm not American... I have no horse in this race. Y'all are destroying yourselves.

***Yep, time to call it a day. You can't stop hoof-and-mouth disease.

 

[Lanolin]

The Christian response is to defend one's household. As 1 Timothy 5:8 says, "...if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." The household is not just one house, it's a whole nation. It is also to lay down your life for your friends, as alluded to in John 15:13.

Interesting you should ask that, though. For would you consider the Crusades to be Christians or terrorists, considering they slaughtered thousands of innocent people?

You must ask yourself that question since you are the one that advocates it.
Did Jesus kill anyone? No he laid down his own life. Did he raise up an army using carnal weapons of warfare? I dont think so. Even when his disciples asked could he just send fire down from heaven to kill their enemies...did Jesus agree? Look in the Bible and find out.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Lets not ignore the warning signs: This National Emergency is a warning that the Rapture of the Church is imminent.

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

 

[Lanolin]

Americans have problems but we dont need to be involved in their mess and inability to govern.

Israel had a border and from north, south, and east they are surrounded by other countries. But you see God made it that way to be a cross roads and a place where all nations could come and worship Him.

But they had to get their house in order, and rather than kill the already living their inhabitants, God was going to drive them out with hornets! Well it seems Israel chose the hard way. This is the same God who opened the Red Sea and dried up the Jordan river.

You dont think that God could easily create a river or mountain between two different countries? Or crush earthly Kingdoms with the true kingdom of Heaven when Jesus returns?

 

[MattforJesus]

I would not look at it as turning away strangers, but they are breaking and entering America which is an illegal offense, which is why they are illegal immigrants.

If they do it legally then there is no problem.

If a person breaks and enters a house they will have legal action against them for they broke the law.

If they break and enter in to Russia do you think they would be so kind.

And how long can America actually allow immigration when eventually there will be over population like a big dog, and no jobs for them, for are we supposed to keep allowing immigration until there is 1 billion people in the nation.

CNN News report- America has collapsed, we repeat America has collapsed, because her care for other people of other nations was greater than her need to take care of herself, and she was overextended, broke of money, and people all over the place homeless, for there were no houses for them, no food for them, and crime at an all time high never before seen in the history of mankind, but they could not stop letting them in, but let them in by droves and droves, no screening, no patrolling the borders, no wall, but let them in, legally, illegally, it don't matter, but we have to have them all, for we can do it, we can take care of all of them, for we are the mighty America.

It would seem like you would have to have a limit, and maybe stop immigration altogether one day, for eventually there will be too many people in the country, and no jobs for them, and the population of those in America is still growing, and you can only have so many people in the country, and operate at a normal level financially.

And there is no reason to enter America unless it is at the point of entry to America from Mexico, and even some people have a do not trespass sign at the beginning of their property, and if people violate that would it be alright, but I do not think those signs will work for the points they cross to come in to the country, for if they did it would save a whole lot of money for the wall, lol.

I look at it as these illegal immigrants do not care, and want to rob from those in America for their own prosperity, and do not care if they take their jobs, or take their house, and possibly take their life, which it is strange we let immigrants come in to this country, and even if they are legal they want to start gangs, and cause trouble, and act tough, and take up a lot of prison space, as if they are not thankful for what America did for them letting them in the country.

It appears out of all the ethnic groups in America the orientals seem to be the best behaved overall, with the best family life.

 

[WalkingTree]

And how long can America actually allow immigration when eventually there will be over population like a big dog, and no jobs for them, for are we supposed to keep allowing immigration until there is 1 billion people in the nation.

Here is a great example of what you describe.

 

[Nehemiah6]

As an aside, it would be coincidental if Nehemiah6 favors the wall that Trump wants. since in the Book of Nehemiah there are passages devoted to a wall being built.

Right. A wall is a NECESSITY to protect the citizens and keep out the evildoers and the criminals. Actually someone should have built a wall on the southern US border 100+ years ago, with no possibility of tunneling under it, given the conflicts between Mexico and the USA since inception. Do you understand what a porous border does to the safety and security of citizens, not to mention the drug trade that destroys lives?

 

[Dino246]

Lets not ignore the warning signs: This National Emergency is a warning that the Rapture of the Church is imminent.

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Oh no... suddenly a "national crisis" in one single nation is the portent for the rapture!

I think it's time for you to get your head out of the deep America-only sand.

 

[Lanolin]

Ok this might be an ignorant question but...why arent the leaders of both countries, Mexico and USA talking to each other about this problem. Is it because of a language barrier? What do they have in common surely there must be some common ground. How about the christians people in both nations? Dont they have Jesus in common???

If its just a secenario similar to the egypt/israel one, with egypt being america and having food while mexico/israel is in famine, why cant they just work out a suitable agreement, or sort out agricultural reforms or something? Mexicans need to eat right? And america supposedly needs labourers.

And if its border patrol, well a wall isnt going to work. Great wall of china never kept the mongols out. You need like a moat. Otherwise another alternative is just expand america into central america with mexico as another state. Or lease some land, like the chinese did with hong kong to the british.

The south wasnt ever able to keep being segregated forever and they divided their own..former slaves that they needed to work their plantations!

Children are being born to parents who may have technically been illegal, but what can these children do, they dont ask to be born in a land thats hostile to them.

 

[Lanolin]

We have similar problems with overseas visitors being rude and invading leaving trash behind on their holidays. They may have got here legally but then they do illegal stuff.

People say they ought to be deported.

The thing with mexico and US border is its just easy to cross. Its not like theres a red sea between them.
Maybe its a case of as Jesus says, loving ones enemies. Hard to do, but may change their hearts. I cant think its easy for immigrants to leave all their family behind for a life in astrange country that can be hostile to them, but they do it for their children and for a better life.

And some are willing to risk their own lives to do so. Immigrants dont set out to mass to invade a country its not like an organised mass invastion to destroy another countries way of life. They, like all of us are just like lost sheep looking for a home. Sometimes its just survival.

 

[FlyingDove]

Leviticus 19:33-34 says, ““When a stranger sojourn with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”

Indeed, there were several instances in the Bible in which the Hebrews sojourned to Egypt and were accepted. Genesis 12:10 says, “Now there was a famine in the land. So Abram went down to Egypt to sojourn there, for the famine was severe in the land.” Subsequently, God appoints Abram to be the father of nations, and He changes Abram’s name to Abraham, of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob fame. Suppose Egypt declared a national emergency because of peoples who tried to go there because of the famine, thereby denying people like Abraham from entering? Would there be a Jewish people? Would Jesus arise out of the Jews? Maybe. Perhaps the Almighty God could have raised Jesus out of the Egyptians. Jesus would have had a lot of work on his hands, to convince the Egyptians that there is only one God instead of many Gods. He had an easier time where Jews lived, because the Jews, who were among his first disciples, already knew there was only one God. But forgive me for digressing…

Another instance is Jacob’s family being allowed to live in Egypt, due to Jacob’s son Joseph, because of another famine. What if the Pharaoh then declared a national emergency because again there were people who wanted to enter Egypt? Would we have the Twelve Tribes, many of whom helped lay the foundation of Christianity later on as Jesus’ disciples? Would God then decide to raise Jesus among the Polynesians whose belief in a divinity was shaky at best and therefore would be better candidates for conversion, as they were when Christian missionaries arrived centuries later? God only knows…

But, you might say, ‘This is all Old Testament junk. We know God as Jesus knows Him.’ Fair enough. So, Jesus says, in Matthew 11:28-29, “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.”

Does that sound somewhat familiar? It should, to those who are familiar with the Statue of Liberty. At the base of the statue is a poem by a New Yorker, Emma Lazarus., whose family came from Portugal to escape the Inquisition that was targeted against Jews. The poem goes as follows:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

And coincidentally, the name Lazarus should sound familiar to Christians, for Lazarus was Jesus’ dear friend who resurrected Lazarus out of his grave. (Could this be an example of ‘What goes around, comes around?’)

And to those who desire eternal life, this is what Jesus says in Matthew 25: 34-40- “…the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I WAS A STRANGER AND YOU WELCOMED ME…Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? AND WHEN DID WE SEE YOU A STRANGER AND WELCOME YOU…?’… And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’”

And what of those who consider the coming of strangers to be a “National Emergency”? This is what Jesus says in Matthew 25: 41-46- “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I WAS A STRANGER AND YOU DID NOT WELCOME ME…’…, Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty OR A STRANGER…?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

This is Jesus talking, n’est ce pas? The Jesus that we know God through, right?

What do Jesus’ disciples say about governing authorities? Since they are disciples of Jesus and their words are in the Bible, you accept their gospel do you not? So a disciple, Paul, says in Romans 13:1-2, “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.”

The governing authorities Paul refers to, are those who have been instituted by God. There are other governing authorities that anyone who tests what is right and wrong in terms of their faith would see are not acting with God in mind. These, according to Daniel 2:21, are replaced by God with a government who will act according to what God wants. ‘Oh,’ you say, ‘but Daniel is in the Old Testament.’ Sorry, I slipped. Never mind that Jesus, who upholds the Old Testament, is how you know God. But anyway…

Since the Bible says that the only governments that are recognized by God are those who govern under God, the people who live under God and who have the authority to appoint a government, would do well by appointing a government that acts under God. Such a government would welcome strangers as the Bible calls upon people to welcome strangers since such a government would be a collective authority that acts at the behest of God-fearing people and directly with God in mind.

But we see, in places like America, which calls itself a nation “under God,” that there is anxiety concerning how the people who want to enter can be accommodated. This anxiety is generated by the very people who say they are Christians who see God through Jesus. Well, as Jesus says in Matthew 16:5-12 when his disciples were preparing for a mass gathering and they told Jesus they don’t have enough bread to feed them all, “O you of little faith, why are you discussing among yourselves the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive? Do you not remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many baskets you gathered? Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many baskets you gathered? How is it that you fail to understand that I did not speak about bread?” In other words, have no fear because under God, all will be provided for.

Isn’t it ironic that the Egyptians in the Old Testament days, who didn’t believe in God, had otherwise acted in a godly manner in welcoming Abraham and, later on, Jacob and his family, and still later on welcomed the Baby Jesus and his family when the then King Herod wanted to kill the Baby Jesus, whereas a significant amount of people who call themselves Americans, of a nation presumably under God, declare a “national emergency,” looking to turn strangers away instead of welcoming them?

Hello Newton
Point 1) Your Statue of Liberty analogy doesn't hold water. The law of the land back then has since been changed. Today's law say's we welcome you to come LEGALLY!

Be honest, if tomorrow, our duly elected congress changed current duly, BY THE PEOPLE, laws. And said EVERYONE WELCOME AS IS. And I were to say to you, well, that wasn't the law yesterday. You tell me, to go pound sand. That's the law now, & if I don't like it, change it.

Point 2) A sojourner/stranger was a temporary resident & required to abide by ALL laws of the land!

Romans 13:1-7
Parsing vs 1 & 2. Immigrants, legal or illegal! Are subject to the higher powers I.E. the duly elected, BY THE PEOPLE, Government. And DO NOT resist their VOTED for & IMPLENTED ordinance's/LAWS!

Parsing vs 6 & 7 Pay ALL tribute's & abide by ALL laws & customs!

1 Pet 2:
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
Immigrants, legal or illegal! Are subject to the higher powers I.E. the duly elected, BY THE PEOPLE, Government. And DO NOT resist their VOTED for & IMPLENTED ordinance's/LAWS!

14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
(NOTE: Immigrants, legal or illegal! Be subject to the higher powers I.E. the duly elected, BY THE PEOPLE, Government. And DO NOT resist their VOTED for & IMPLENTED ordinance's/LAWS!

Final thought, if you disagree with our current LAWS. Breaking them isn't, the proper answer. Fight to change them to meet your progressive/leftist agenda. Peace.

 

[PennEd]

***You've been watching too much fake news from Fox News. "Migrant invaders?" Is that what Sean Hannity and Ann Coulture say?
Either they have a severe case of paranoia, sharing their hysteria with their viewers, or they're stirring up a false concern to promote the Right wing at the expense and loss of everyone else including those who think they are part of the Right wing. And those who only get what they believe to be news from Fox News are believing it.

As an aside, it would be coincidental if Nehemiah6 favors the wall that Trump wants. since in the Book of Nehemiah there are passages devoted to a wall being built.

Willful ignorance personified by the self righteous. The left are the greatest threat to freedom and America:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=831752260489439

 

[Lanolin]

Terrorism vs illegal immigartion
What to do, well, if someone invades your country or trespasses your property the really hard thing Jesus calls for us to do is forgive them. Because we might need to go to their country one day.

As for troublemakers, well they need to be deported and cast out. But thing is some countries had set up to welcome others but then changed their minds when they got too many.

Why does terrorism happen. Well one has to look if weve ticked of anyone in any way. Because if we have, they could seek vengeance.

But thing is, if we submit to God, resist the devil, he will flee. Has there been any area where we havent submitted to God, well thats how the devil gets in. It could be something as incocuous as relying on another country for resources or materials that one doesnt need or wishes to exploit. You dont have to trade or deal with nations that arent ethical. Do without our make your own.

Say you ban drugs and dont let them in the country well youve got to make sure that you do what you say. That one isnt trading them or using the ingredients in any way shape or form. That the loopholes are closed. And youve got to clean your own house first before attempting to do anyone elses. Where is the demand and where is the money going? If your own countries people is demanding the drugs youve got to deal with that rather than try to blame the suppliers. They are only reacting to demand.

Youve got to stop the demand. Same with sex trafficking.