Falling back slain in the spirit?

[FriendlyTalk]

God is a not the author of confusion, He is a God of peace, -

also of ORDER.


-
1 Corinthians 14:26-40

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation,
hath an interpretation.

Let all things be done unto edifying.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.



Colossians 2:5
For although I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit, and I delight to see your orderly condition and firm faith in Christ.




Do any of those videos shown by examples portray God in such a manner?


What about the bystanders, that are witnesses to events like this?
If unbelievers was to see this?​

Do they see these happenings as peaceful, or as total chaos, with lots of confusion?



Would this event make God look good, or bad? ...
People falling over, shaking and twitching - does God injure people?

How is this in ANY way edifying for the church of GOD?
- It's not, and if one of the people are seriously injured, even unto death, would it still be?

I have heard some of the screams, after seeing some videos, - and a few of them are screams in terror and agony,
and not screams of joy, in any way.

Yes, the spiritual world is real, yes - spiritual experiences are real -
but I have high doubts that it is the Spirit of God that is working in many of these events,
as it seems to contradict Scripture, and sound teaching.

So .... SLAIN in the Spirit.....

No thank you.....​

 

[Dino246]

I guess no one gets my humor

Oh, sorry... were you needing affirmation?

 

[Dino246]

God is a not the author of confusion, He is a God of peace, -
...
Would this event make God look good, or bad? ...
People falling over, shaking and twitching - does God injure people?

I have heard some of the screams, after seeing some videos, - and a few of them are screams in terror and agony,
and not screams of joy, in any way.

Yes, the spiritual world is real, yes - spiritual experiences are real -
but I have high doubts that it is the Spirit of God that is working in many of these events,
as it seems to contradict Scripture, and sound teaching.

So .... SLAIN in the Spirit.....

No thank you.....​

Do you have evidence of people being injured when they fell in such circumstances?

 

[TheLearner]

I guess

I am wondering if John in rev 1 was slain, who caught him? or pushed him? How in the world does a coat knock one down?
If someone came at me like that I would drop kick him into the next country out of reflex.

 

[FriendlyTalk]

Do you have evidence of people being injured when they fell in such circumstances?

No, but I do not need it, because this is totally violating scripture, and sound teaching.
The experience in itself, is damage enough.

Against the name of God, His church, - and His reputation.

These events does not make God look good, in any way, - but I will leave that to you.
Plain to me.

"TheLearner" -

"I am wondering if John in rev 1 was slain, who caught him? "

He was in the Spirit, TheLearner. He was not in the physical realm...

 

[TheLearner]

Do you have evidence of people being injured when they fell in such circumstances?

I have seen people injured. I once was asked to come up as a catcher since I such a large guy. I did not know I was to catch them so I let them hit the ground and they were hurt. I wondered why if God was doing it, why all the showmanship? Why a catcher? In football my nickname was bulldozer because I would push the line ten yards out of the way for our runners. They would pile up in front of me which did them no good.

 

[TheLearner]

No, but I do not need it, because this is totally violating scripture, and sound teaching.
The experience in itself, is damage enough.

Against the name of God, His church, - and His reputation.

I agree totally about the bad reputation part. That is a main point in speaking in tongues threads.

 

[Dino246]

No, but I do not need it, because this is totally violating scripture, and sound teaching.
The experience in itself, is damage enough.

Against the name of God, His church, - and His reputation.

These events does not make God look good, in any way, - but I will leave that to you.
Plain to me.

"TheLearner" -

"I am wondering if John in rev 1 was slain, who caught him? "

He was in the Spirit, TheLearner. He was not in the physical realm.

You are making accusations without any evidence to back them up? Not a wise plan. You're free to believe however you like, but I suggest that if you want to present a case that is rational and defensible, your own opinion is inadequate. I agree there is a lot that happens in charismatic circles that is questionable and even objectionable, but I don't see how people falling down "violates" any Scripture. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you think it does.

 

[FriendlyTalk]

You are making accusations without any evidence to back them up? Not a wise plan. You're free to believe however you like, but I suggest that if you want to present a case that is rational and defensible, your own opinion is inadequate. I agree there is a lot that happens in charismatic circles that is questionable and even objectionable, but I don't see how people falling down "violates" any Scripture. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you think it does.

Again, it is against sound teaching, - the word of GOD - and the orderly fashion as God wants it done in ALL his churches.
The scripture that tell you this is shown in the post you gave a response to, and I am pointing you back to that, and not my own opinion.

Therefore, my answer is based on what I learn from reading scripture, and from there I draw my conclusion.​

 

[TheLearner]

You are making accusations without any evidence to back them up? Not a wise plan. You're free to believe however you like, but I suggest that if you want to present a case that is rational and defensible, your own opinion is inadequate. I agree there is a lot that happens in charismatic circles that is questionable and even objectionable, but I don't see how people falling down "violates" any Scripture. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you think it does.

"
Court Awards Woman Injured while 'Slain in Spirit'
SARAH PULLIAM BAILEY
APRIL 13, 2010 11:54 AM

The Michigan Supreme Court ruled 5-2 in favor of a woman who sued a church and its pastor after she was injured when no one caught her fall after she was "overcome by the spirit of the Lord" during a rally. Here's more from the Lansing State Journal:

Dadd, who is in her 50s, sued the church and its pastor after she was injured while "slain in the Spirit" - falling backward after being "overcome by the Spirit of the Lord" - during a rally at Mount Hope Church in Delta Township in 2002.
Dadd claimed Pastor Dave Williams defamed her when he accused her of insurance fraud, faking her injuries and renouncing her faith. A jury awarded her more than $317,000 damages for her injuries, as well as libel, slander and false light in a 2007 trial.​

The decision reversed a state Appeals Court decision that threw out most of a jury award to Judith Dadd, but the state's high court has reinstated $317,000 to the woman.
"https://www.christianitytoday.com/n...ourt-awards-woman-injured-while-slain-in.html

 

[FriendlyTalk]

"
Court Awards Woman Injured while 'Slain in Spirit'
SARAH PULLIAM BAILEY
APRIL 13, 2010 11:54 AM

The Michigan Supreme Court ruled 5-2 in favor of a woman who sued a church and its pastor after she was injured when no one caught her fall after she was "overcome by the spirit of the Lord" during a rally. Here's more from the Lansing State Journal:

Dadd, who is in her 50s, sued the church and its pastor after she was injured while "slain in the Spirit" - falling backward after being "overcome by the Spirit of the Lord" - during a rally at Mount Hope Church in Delta Township in 2002.​

Dadd claimed Pastor Dave Williams defamed her when he accused her of insurance fraud, faking her injuries and renouncing her faith. A jury awarded her more than $317,000 damages for her injuries, as well as libel, slander and false light in a 2007 trial.​

The decision reversed a state Appeals Court decision that threw out most of a jury award to Judith Dadd, but the state's high court has reinstated $317,000 to the woman.
"https://www.christianitytoday.com/n...ourt-awards-woman-injured-while-slain-in.html

Yes, and there you have it. Evidence enough.... Not that it was needed, though...
Poor woman.. This is also very bad for the church of God, and His name...
Events like these cause His name to be evil spoken of.

 

[TheLearner]

"
A parishioner at the Disciple Fellowship Christian Church in East St. Louis, Ill., claims the spirit moved another worshiper so much during service that she caused others to tumble over backwards into her, causing injuries. Now she’s suing the church for damages.

The report goes on to explain that, because of the spiritual nature of “being touched” by the Holy Spirit, lawyers are going to have a tough time proving negligence on the part of the slain church member. Yet, the plaintiff is undeterred. She wants the church to pay for her medical bills.

"http://baptistberean.blogspot.com/2012/02/slain-in-spirit.html

 

[Dino246]

Again, it is against sound teaching, - the word of GOD - and the orderly fashion as God wants it done in ALL his churches.
The scripture that tell you this is shown in the post you gave a response to, and I am pointing you back to that, and not my own opinion.​

I don't see how people falling is against Scripture... any Scripture, including the verses you posted.

God is certainly a God of order, as His word states. However, the passages that unpack what that "order" is don't address people falling down... at all. So, you're making an argument from silence, and apparently defining "order" according to your personal preferences.

 

[TheLearner]

https://www.google.com/search?ei=Vu.....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0j0i22i30.Ys0ZxOlUtpo

"JUNE 5--Last June, Matthew Lincoln was attending an evening service at his nondenominational Tennessee church when he approached the altar where a visiting minister was offering individual prayers for parishioners. Assigned "catchers" were present on the altar in case congregants fainted, fell, or otherwise lost control. When the minister, Robert Lavala, slightly touched his forehead, the Knoxville-area man "received the spirit and fell backwards." Except nobody was there to catch him, Lincoln charges in a $2.5 million lawsuit filed yesterday against Lakewind Church and its pastors. Lincoln, 58, claims that he fell backwards, striking his head against the "carpet-covered cement floor," according to the Circuit Court complaint, which was first reported by Courthouse News Service. A copy of Lincoln's lawsuit can be found below "http://brewright.blogspot.com/2008/06/man-slain-in-spirit-falls-and-sues.html

 

[FriendlyTalk]

I don't see how people falling is against Scripture... any Scripture, including the verses you posted.

God is certainly a God of order, as His word states. However, the passages that unpack what that "order" is don't address people falling down... at all. So, you're making an argument from silence, and apparently defining "order" according to your personal preferences.

Sound teaching.

If one is not in control of their body,
are they in order, or disorder?

In control, or lack of control?

Would you say falling over, is order?

I am not going to go on about this,
if you don't agree, I'm not going to make you.

I have said enough, and am totally convinced that these events are not according to the will of God,
and His way of order.

Warm regards.​

 

[TheLearner]

Woman (Judith Dadd) Sues Church After Being Injured by a So-Called “Slain in Spirit” Experience. “Assemblies of God” Parlor Trick Injures Woman!
by IndependentConservative @ 2:31 pm. Filed under Nuts on Parade
Bottom line, there is no scriptural basis for this slain in the spirit mess that is going on at some churchmeetings. I’ve already explained it is total mind manipulation and offered reference to more details.
For you who have not been in many charismatic churches, you’ll be reading some things here you never knew about. But given my upbringing I need to cover it, to help those who are victims of bad teaching, to better understand the truth.
A lady named Judith Dadd was a member of the Mount Hope Church in Lansing, Michigan (Delta Township) and claims she was slain in the spirit, fell back, bumped her head and was injured because nobody caught her. There has been testimony that her pastor assured everyone that anyone falling out would be caught. This church is part of the Assemblies of God organization.http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/05/08/judith_dadd_sues_church/

 

[TheLearner]

We have had calls from distraught people in a Pentecostal church in England where a woman has more than once gone down on the floor, supposedly 'slain in spirit', and lost control of her bladder in church. https://www.moriel.org/sermons-in-english/5931-slain-in-the-spirit-part-1-of-2 .html

 

[MadHermit]

garee os setting up a false strawman to knock down and can provide no evidence that any Christian denomination identifies being slain in the Spirit as a "sign gift." Futhermore, as usual, garee has never experienced what he condemns and is therefore pontificating from ignorance. of just how overwhelming the outpouring of the Spirit can be.

While at Fuller Seminary, I learned of a Presbyterian football player who attended one of Kathryn Kuhlman's healing rallies. He was not a charismatic, but when he approached her after the meeting, she gently touched him during their conversation and he fell to the floor, slain in the Spirit--a huge, strong football player, no less! My Aussie friend Sam and I sneaked onto the platform to sit with the 65 pastors sitting there during her service. Suddenly, in front of the 9,000 people, she wheeled around and touched each pastor gently on the forehead. When she did, it seemed like she had electricuted them and everyone "rocketed off their chair, prostrate on the floor, overcome with blessing. I was uncomfortable with being "slain" in this way, but without looking my way, the Spirit prompted her to stop slaying pastors just 3 pastors before me. I was deeply impressed by her discernment to stop short of me.

Let me illustrate how much divine power the Lord bestowed on Kathryn's right hand. My friend Lloyd had an atheist friend who shares this testimony. One day he was walking through a crowded mall, when he accidentally bumped into a lady. She braced herself for the collision, gently touched him, smiled, and they went their separate ways. That night this atheist fell under conviction of sin and committed his life to Christ. Years later, he saw a picture of Kathryn Kuhlman and recognizeg her as the woman he collided with that fateful day of his conversion. He now recognizes that her touch of blessing is precisely what prompted the work of the Spirit to convert him that glorious life-changing day!

So garee, don't grieve the Holy Spirit by condemning the ways He works to save the lost and empower people to walk in the Spirit!

 

[TheLearner]

I don't see how people falling is against Scripture... any Scripture, including the verses you posted.

God is certainly a God of order, as His word states. However, the passages that unpack what that "order" is don't address people falling down... at all. So, you're making an argument from silence, and apparently defining "order" according to your personal preferences.

I think it is the showmanship that gives a poor image of it all. God does call us to be humble. What I saw in the video, could not hear it, no speakers was just showmanship and looks like a slapstick comedy.

 

[Dino246]

I think it is the showmanship that gives a poor image of it all. God does call us to be humble. What I saw in the video, could not hear it, no speakers was just showmanship and looks like a slapstick comedy.

Agreed. As I have said before, I don't avow Hinn or his antics. I dislike the fact that God's church puts so much focus on "a touch" instead of on fruit and actual ministry. However, I have personally seen good fruit from such apparently "disorderly" events. Repentance and healing can be messy.