Open Theism

[Endoscopy]

I don’t. I just simply believe Scripture, every word, and take it literally.

While I didn't quote it exactly I paraphrased it. Therefore looking at the evidence God knowing the end from the beginning caused the orbit of the moon to condemn countries to have eclipses at the appropriate times.

The US going back to Colonial times was a very Christian country. That is no longer the case. The top level of protestant denominations has been taken over by secular ministers. This started about 1880 as documented in "Crossed Fingers" by Gary North. He documented the take over of Presbyterian USA. Only independent churches and sub denominations still preach the gospel message. Almost half of the country goes to church but only a splinter hear the gospel message.

Currently the US has been crossed east to west by an eclipse and in 2024 another eclipse will cross from northeast to southwest crossing 7 cities named Salem.

This country is doubly condemned.

 

[John146]

aphorizó: to mark off by boundaries from, i.e. set apart
Original Word: ἀφορίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: aphorizó
Phonetic Spelling: (af-or-id'-zo)
Definition: to mark off by boundaries from, set apart

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God ​

(Romans 1:1) ​

Separated from the Jews, the law, and the gospel of the kingdom and given the gospel of God by grace through faith.

 

[Endoscopy]

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I have seen this before. How many of those eclipses cross a country from the east side to the west side of the country. Obviously you ignored that part of what I stated. Go bring up only the east to west eclipses. With that mishmash it is hard to find them.

 

[posthuman]

Separated from the Jews, the law, and the gospel of the kingdom and given the gospel of God by grace through faith.

from the womb?

 

[posthuman]

I have seen this before. How many of those eclipses cross a country from the east side to the west side of the country. Obviously you ignored that part of what I stated. Go bring up only the east to west eclipses. With that mishmash it is hard to find them.

no it's not. all solar eclipse paths travel from west to east, because of the direction the moon orbits. the only time any eclipse travels east-west is when it doubles back on itself, an occurrence that is only possible at extreme latitudes, since this is a product of the earth's rotational speed outpacing the moon's orbital velocity.

so they are extraordinarily easy to distinguish on the charts; they look like this one from 1914



apparently God condemned Antarctica about 100 years ago?

 

[posthuman]

apparently God condemned Antarctica about 100 years ago?

and then i suppose the penguins didn't repent after He collapsed their economy, so He condemned them again 25 years later in 1939?



this is just a month after WWII broke out.

did we just discover the reason behind WWII ? unrepentant penguins in Antarctica?

 

[John146]

from the womb?

Jewish descent according to the flesh?

 

[John146]

from the womb?

Or could Paul be the exception not the rule...

 

[John146]

it literally says God set him apart before he was born.

if you only think Paul is saying 'i was born Jewish' then why in the world did he think it important to tell this to the church in Galatia, who were being evangelized by false teachers trying to make them Jewish?

The whole context seems to be how Paul was separated from his brethren the Jews to preach the gospel of God to the heathen.

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

 

[cv5]

aphorizó: to mark off by boundaries from, i.e. set apart
Original Word: ἀφορίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: aphorizó
Phonetic Spelling: (af-or-id'-zo)
Definition: to mark off by boundaries from, set apart

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God ​

(Romans 1:1) ​

All Christians are separated unto the gospel of God. And separated in other ways and means as well.....

 

[Nehemiah6]

Basically means God is limited is this backed up with scripture?

No. Just another false doctrine which should be ignored. If God could be limited in any way, He would not be God.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Did God know what it was to thirst and suffer bodily pain before He became flesh?

Not experientially, but He knew what it meant precisely.

 

[cv5]

No. Just another false doctrine which should be ignored. If God could be limited in any way, He would not be God.

Oh God is limited all right. Self-limited. He cannot lie, He cannot deny Himself, He cannot sin.....

 

[Endoscopy]

no it's not. all solar eclipse paths travel from west to east, because of the direction the moon orbits. the only time any eclipse travels east-west is when it doubles back on itself, an occurrence that is only possible at extreme latitudes, since this is a product of the earth's rotational speed outpacing the moon's orbital velocity.

so they are extraordinarily easy to distinguish on the charts; they look like this one from 1914

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apparently God condemned Antarctica about 100 years ago?

How many go from the east border to the west border. You keep ignoring that part. Most come in from the bottom or leave through the top. You just try to ignore that fact. Why do you keep ignoring that specific issue?

 

[Endoscopy]

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no it's not. all solar eclipse paths travel from west to east, because of the direction the moon orbits. the only time any eclipse travels east-west is when it doubles back on itself, an occurrence that is only possible at extreme latitudes, since this is a product of the earth's rotational speed outpacing the moon's orbital velocity.

so they are extraordinarily easy to distinguish on the charts; they look like this one from 1914

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apparently God condemned Antarctica about 100 years ago?

East border to West border. Try again.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Oh God is limited all right. Self-limited. He cannot lie, He cannot deny Himself, He cannot sin.....

That's not exactly what Open Theism is all about.

The argument of open theism is essentially this: human beings are truly free; if God absolutely knew the future, human beings could not truly be free. Therefore, God does not know absolutely everything about the future. Open theism holds that the future is not knowable. Therefore, God knows everything that can be known, but He does not know the future. https://www.gotquestions.org/open-theism.html

Open Theism denies the absolute foreknowledge of God. Therefore it is false. As to what you claim for God limiting Himself, one could better express that as God's absolute righteousness and holiness (which automatically excludes all that is sinful or evil).

 

[Dan_473]

I only address the specific things that Scripture has stated concerning predestination. I never want to assume anything. Where is the word predestined used and who or what has been predestined, and to what have they been predestined? That’s my concern.

I think this brings up an interesting situation, because where the word predestination, or some form of it, is used in Scripture depends on which translation one is using.

If one is using the King James, I believe it occurs 4 times. 6 times in The New American standard.

But if you're using the new international Readers version or the new living translation, then the word isn't used at all.

 

[Dan_473]

While I didn't quote it exactly I paraphrased it. Therefore looking at the evidence God knowing the end from the beginning caused the orbit of the moon to condemn countries to have eclipses at the appropriate times.

The US going back to Colonial times was a very Christian country. That is no longer the case. The top level of protestant denominations has been taken over by secular ministers. This started about 1880 as documented in "Crossed Fingers" by Gary North. He documented the take over of Presbyterian USA. Only independent churches and sub denominations still preach the gospel message. Almost half of the country goes to church but only a splinter hear the gospel message.

Currently the US has been crossed east to west by an eclipse and in 2024 another eclipse will cross from northeast to southwest crossing 7 cities named Salem.

This country is doubly condemned.

I suppose it would depend on what standard one is using to measure the Christian-ness of a country. And how narrowly or broadly one is defining the gospel message.

If we use the opening of 1st Corinthians 15 as the gospel, then I believe that is proclaimed by Roman Catholic churches on a regular basis.

 

[John146]

Not experientially, but He knew what it meant precisely.

So God did not know what it was like to experience hunger and thirst.

 

[John146]

That's not exactly what Open Theism is all about.

The argument of open theism is essentially this: human beings are truly free; if God absolutely knew the future, human beings could not truly be free. Therefore, God does not know absolutely everything about the future. Open theism holds that the future is not knowable. Therefore, God knows everything that can be known, but He does not know the future. https://www.gotquestions.org/open-theism.html

Open Theism denies the absolute foreknowledge of God. Therefore it is false. As to what you claim for God limiting Himself, one could better express that as God's absolute righteousness and holiness (which automatically excludes all that is sinful or evil).

For example, Nineveh’s repentance and Abraham’s obedience to sacrifice Issac.