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To bear fruit may take years i agree, it does not mean god can not use someone, god uses unsaved people all the time (see pharoah) and he can use a persons changed life to draw people to himself,
And yes, i will call you a liar again, you twisting what dc said and make him say something he never claimed is bearing false witness, and i will call you out ober and over every time you do that,
I can scream too, calm your proud self down! And stop tryi g to tear people down and looking for every small thing in order to prove them wrong, it does not reflect well on you
And yes, i will call you a liar again, you twisting what dc said and make him say something he never claimed is bearing false witness, and i will call you out ober and over every time you do that,
I can scream too, calm your proud self down! And stop tryi g to tear people down and looking for every small thing in order to prove them wrong, it does not reflect well on you
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@Godsgrace...Agreeing or disagreeing on these threads isn't about acceptance or popularity, it isn't for me anyway. We should be trying to find unity through Christ, and that is ONLY possible in Him and and our Union with Him.. We should all be teachable but by the holy spirit first and foremost. I think some of what you say has creedence, (like 85054, I believe about Him putting the law in our hearts)especially because up till very recently, I had a similar mindset. I get it. I have been swimming in a big pile of striving, fear, guilt and shame, basically all wrapped up in myself, knowing full well how impossible it is to fix my broken self is. I reckon, where selflessness is concerned, I will need to keep coming back to the truth of His Glory and Righteousness as I grow and mature. I have been going back and forth on this topic since I came here. I just think the only difference in this debate, and I may be opening a can of worms, is that our salvation is a product of His work, NOT ours, PERIOD. We take on so much credit, effort, and striving when all of it, every bit of it, is about Him. I would lying if I said, ok i am now squared away because I have it all figured out. Hahaha nope, But my hope, here on out, is that I will trust and lean into the only One who is all squared away, the One who will present me blameless. Regardless who believes or agrees, He saves us... He keeps us, not us. HE GETS 100% of the Glory. Yes we honor Him because His nature dwells within, not because of our doing.
i wanted to address you before I walk away because I feel I need to stay on His solid ground. I just wanted you to know that I do understand your way of thinking but I finally feel a sense of freedom that I haven't felt in a long time by remembering He died on the cross so we don't have to. I CAN once and for all climb off the cross. Yes we pick up His sacrifice and lay ourselves down, daily, but it, our salvation, is never ours, it is ALWAYS about Him and His finished work on the cross, His works lives in the lives of His.
Ok i really am going for a bit, lest I get myself topsy turvy again in the striving and leaning on my own understanding. LORD thank You for YOUR equipping and transforming saving Grace. May we all step into the rest of You. May we our hearts be fixed on Him, remembering what it is You are saving us from, ourselves!!!
ok, enough of this Sister, me not you, for a bit. Just know that I love you and will be praying for His revealing in all our lives. We all need Him desperately!!
i wanted to address you before I walk away because I feel I need to stay on His solid ground. I just wanted you to know that I do understand your way of thinking but I finally feel a sense of freedom that I haven't felt in a long time by remembering He died on the cross so we don't have to. I CAN once and for all climb off the cross. Yes we pick up His sacrifice and lay ourselves down, daily, but it, our salvation, is never ours, it is ALWAYS about Him and His finished work on the cross, His works lives in the lives of His.
Ok i really am going for a bit, lest I get myself topsy turvy again in the striving and leaning on my own understanding. LORD thank You for YOUR equipping and transforming saving Grace. May we all step into the rest of You. May we our hearts be fixed on Him, remembering what it is You are saving us from, ourselves!!!
ok, enough of this Sister, me not you, for a bit. Just know that I love you and will be praying for His revealing in all our lives. We all need Him desperately!!
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Some people do not understand what blessing by association means, many people who have never seen god have been blessed by the people who have the holy spirit workimg in their lives, many people go to church, and wven though they have never received christ, partake of the Holy Spirit every time they are in the presence of the believers in the church.
People want to attack, and say others do not understand, well the same goes both ways, take the log out of your eye before you attempt to even try to remove a speck from someone elses eye.
Again, the bible is one message it can not contradict. If it does, you need to resolve th contradiction, not let it continue because it fits your belief system
People want to attack, and say others do not understand, well the same goes both ways, take the log out of your eye before you attempt to even try to remove a speck from someone elses eye.
Again, the bible is one message it can not contradict. If it does, you need to resolve th contradiction, not let it continue because it fits your belief system
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I think we had better leave it there. You have not responded to my post where I explained how a believer could have no righteousness of not committing sin but at the same time lose salvation due to sin without contradiction. The answers are in there. At least I do not have to have a doctrine that only leaves me with half a bible as it were
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I almost did a spit take!! You gotta be kiddin!!! I gave you over a hundred passages that prove eternal security and you didn't deal with a single one, except some lame blanket statement that they were for other people.
And JESUS is our righteousness. Not following Him, not some path. HE IS THE PATH!!
If you are born again, He IS in you, and you are in Him. He's part of our DNA now.
But hey, you wanna believe you can lose YOUR Salvation, knock yourself out. Maybe you can, because you don't have the same Jesus I have who tells me NOTHING can separate me from him.
And JESUS is our righteousness. Not following Him, not some path. HE IS THE PATH!!
If you are born again, He IS in you, and you are in Him. He's part of our DNA now.
But hey, you wanna believe you can lose YOUR Salvation, knock yourself out. Maybe you can, because you don't have the same Jesus I have who tells me NOTHING can separate me from him.
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I GOT NEWS FOR YOU:
Hebrews 6:4-5 (KJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Modern ENGLISH TRANSLATION, below:
Hebrews 6:4-5 (CSBBible)
4 For it is impossible to renew to repentance those who were once enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift, who shared in the Holy Spirit,
5 who tasted God's good word and the powers of the coming age,
THAT IS NOT BORN AGAIN, because WE HAVE DONE A LOT MORE THAN JUST TASTED, we have CONSUMED THE MESSAGE, and HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT IN US. WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING a Non-Born Again Church-goer, who experimented with Christianity, just tasting it, and the came to the conclusion that IT DOES NOT WORK. BORN AGAIN is a TOTAL SURRENDER TO HIM AS MASTER our of LOVE FOR HIM, FOREVER. Any then less, is a total farce, and IS CLAIMING THE NAME IN VAIN.
Here is an example:
1 John 2:4 (CSBBible)
4 The one who says, "I have come to know him," and yet doesn't keep his commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE FALSELY CLAIMING TO KNOW CHRIST, ARE THE KIND OF LIAR THAT WILL END UP IN HELL.
Revelation 21:8 (HCSB)
8 But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars—their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
ANOTHER Example are THESE PEOPLE WHO TASTED THE GOODNESS OF GOD, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, YET THEY WERE NOT SAVED, BECAUSE THEY LACKED THAT PERSONAL, LOVING, RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
Matthew 7:21-23 (HCSB)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
IF YOU HAVE No Inner, Personal, Loving, Relationship, With JESUS CHRIST as LORD, therefore you have NO SALVATION.
ALL THE HEAD KNOWLEDGE about Christ, WILL NOT SAVE YOU.
You Have to have that VERY DEEP RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
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So only have half a bible if that is what you want.
I don't mean this unkindly, but you typify the problem here. You got a question answered that none of you osas people could answer, and an answer that stops scripture being in contradiction of itself, and you are not interested. The only thing that matters is keeping the beliefs you had before you came on the site no matter what, doesn't even matter if you have to ignore huge chunks of scripture to do it. Lets be honest, people just enjoy coming here to debate/argue, its what stimulates them greatly, so that is why they do it. And then some(I do not mean you here) just come to try and show off what they think they know. Which all goes to show these sites cannot by and large be taken too seriously can they. In truth, for many they are damaging to their spiritual wellbeing. And to be truly honest, the average pew sitter, who has not read the bible as much as the average internet debater understands far more of what really matters in the faith
I don't mean this unkindly, but you typify the problem here. You got a question answered that none of you osas people could answer, and an answer that stops scripture being in contradiction of itself, and you are not interested. The only thing that matters is keeping the beliefs you had before you came on the site no matter what, doesn't even matter if you have to ignore huge chunks of scripture to do it. Lets be honest, people just enjoy coming here to debate/argue, its what stimulates them greatly, so that is why they do it. And then some(I do not mean you here) just come to try and show off what they think they know. Which all goes to show these sites cannot by and large be taken too seriously can they. In truth, for many they are damaging to their spiritual wellbeing. And to be truly honest, the average pew sitter, who has not read the bible as much as the average internet debater understands far more of what really matters in the faith
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You don't think the underlined portion is bearing fruit?
...and now you're shifting the goalposts. When I said God can't use them, it was said in THE CONTEXT of fruit bearing for new Christians, not lost people. So you took my words out of context, which is deceitful
and what about fruit of the Spirit? Does that take years?
and what about keeping God's commands, does that take years.
Read the context, ie the posts that DC is replying to.
And I am not attacking anyone. I am being called a liar and defending myself. Stop attacking me and I will stop replying. As simple as that.
and if you want to read someone who twists other people's words, read the posts GB9 has written to me
...and now you're shifting the goalposts. When I said God can't use them, it was said in THE CONTEXT of fruit bearing for new Christians, not lost people. So you took my words out of context, which is deceitful
and what about fruit of the Spirit? Does that take years?
and what about keeping God's commands, does that take years.
Read the context, ie the posts that DC is replying to.
And I am not attacking anyone. I am being called a liar and defending myself. Stop attacking me and I will stop replying. As simple as that.
and if you want to read someone who twists other people's words, read the posts GB9 has written to me
hat is not what DCON said. He said it DOES take many years, not May take
Do you know the difference between a indicative statement and a subjunctive statement. DC made an indicative statement, bearing fruit takes many years, not a subjunctive, it may take many years.
Now you're twisting HIS words, and...
Moving the goalposts AGAIN.
Do you know the difference between a indicative statement and a subjunctive statement. DC made an indicative statement, bearing fruit takes many years, not a subjunctive, it may take many years.
Now you're twisting HIS words, and...
Moving the goalposts AGAIN.