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Fair question. But I think the understanding that this was for true born again believers is erroneous.
Paul was exhorting them, as he does several other places in Scripture, that they needed to examine THEMSELVES to see if they were in fact born again. Those that were living that lifestyle may have mistakenly thought they WERE saved. It's the exact same today.
Paul was exhorting them, as he does several other places in Scripture, that they needed to examine THEMSELVES to see if they were in fact born again. Those that were living that lifestyle may have mistakenly thought they WERE saved. It's the exact same today.
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YES!
I would argue the hardcore buddhist monks live the most moral lives on planet earth, YET are still lost like a donkey on a boat! (due to idolatry, lack of faith in Jesus)
LIVING MORAL LIVES WONT SAVE NOBODY!
And before anyone takes what I say and TWISTS it: im NOT SAYING we shouldnt live moral lives, OF COURSE we need to live moral lives, nobody would disagree with that!
PS: I dont remember what your signature meant, could you please tell it to me again?
I would argue the hardcore buddhist monks live the most moral lives on planet earth, YET are still lost like a donkey on a boat! (due to idolatry, lack of faith in Jesus)
LIVING MORAL LIVES WONT SAVE NOBODY!
And before anyone takes what I say and TWISTS it: im NOT SAYING we shouldnt live moral lives, OF COURSE we need to live moral lives, nobody would disagree with that!
PS: I dont remember what your signature meant, could you please tell it to me again?
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Or take the following, this must concern saved people for they shared in the Holy Spirit, so, if they had righteousness apart from not committing sin, what could go wrong?
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[c] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Heb6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[c] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Heb6:4-6
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Where in the world did you come up with that "so people can have faith, but not have faith" lol, I know that I have a hard time expressing what I am trying to say sometimes, but if I am that bad about it then I need to not be part of the conversations.
You need to be more specific of what I said for me to understand what you mean by this.
When Jesus come in His glory and sits on His glorious throne, all nations will be gathered, and Jesus will separated them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
He will put the sheep on his right, and the goats on his left.
To those on his right he says to them "Come you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
For I was hungry and you fed me, I was thirsty, when I was naked you clothed me and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
And they ask him when did we do these things. And Jesus tells them that if you did these to the least of the people, you did it to me.
And then he says to the ones on the left "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels because you did not feed the hungry, clothe those who were naked, give drink to the thirsty, you didn't visit the widows and the prisoners.
Are you saying that feeding the hungry, or giving clothes to those in need, visiting the widows, orphans, prisoners is not works because we might boast about doing them, so therefore not to do them?
You need to be more specific of what I said for me to understand what you mean by this.
When Jesus come in His glory and sits on His glorious throne, all nations will be gathered, and Jesus will separated them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
He will put the sheep on his right, and the goats on his left.
To those on his right he says to them "Come you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
For I was hungry and you fed me, I was thirsty, when I was naked you clothed me and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
And they ask him when did we do these things. And Jesus tells them that if you did these to the least of the people, you did it to me.
And then he says to the ones on the left "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels because you did not feed the hungry, clothe those who were naked, give drink to the thirsty, you didn't visit the widows and the prisoners.
Are you saying that feeding the hungry, or giving clothes to those in need, visiting the widows, orphans, prisoners is not works because we might boast about doing them, so therefore not to do them?
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You are ignoring Heb6:4-6 those mentioned shared in the Holy Spirit, you can only do that if you are saved.
None of you can answer the question can you
If you are justified/righteous apart from not commiting sin, how can what is written in heb6:4-6 happen?
Happy to change to that scripture for there is no doubt there as to people being saved or not is there
None of you can answer the question can you
If you are justified/righteous apart from not commiting sin, how can what is written in heb6:4-6 happen?
Happy to change to that scripture for there is no doubt there as to people being saved or not is there
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