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The LAW condemns everyone.........end of story.....no matter how righteous one may seem there are NONE that keep the law 24/7/365 their whole life and exactly why the whole world becomes guilty with mouths shut.....the law as a school aster points to the only CURE of our fallen sinful disease.....
JESUS and HIS righteousness being imputed by faith WITHOUT the deeds/works of the law which ETERNALLY justifies us before CHRIST having been BORN again by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED by the IRREVOCABLE gift of faith, salvation and eternal LIFE......
AFTER one has been born again they are dealt with as CHILDREN and rewarded for faithful SERVICE or WHIPPED for disobedience.....HE does NOT forsake us and or LEAVE US and this was written to the SAVED, IMMERSED church members.....WHERE SIN abounds, GRACE abounds the MORE..........
THE ONLY SIN that is not covered is the sin of unbelief into the work of CHRIST by blasphemy of the Spirit <---THE pharisees were attributing the work of Christ by the power of the Holy SPIRIT to the power of the devil <---this is a state of UNBELIEF and ONE that will not believe into the work of CHRIST, they CANNOT be forgiven....
JESUS said....WHERE I am going YOU CANNOT COME because YOU DO NOT BELIEVE I AM HE...........
Regardless of those that reject this truth the following is true...
a. OUR spirit has been born again from above by incorruptible seed and DOES NOT SIN <--1st JOHN
b. IT is still housed in a FALLEN dead body of SIN that is not subject unto the word of GOD, neither indeed can BE <--Romans
c. THE BATTLE ground for control is the MIND which is subject unto the TRANSFORMATIONAL process described in Romans 12
The bible is clear on these truths........the more a man is transformed inwardly the BETTER and MORE godly he lives outwardly..the opposite is equally true!
SIN in a believer BREAKS fellowship, but does NOT lead to the loss of salvation....it also leads to chastisement and the loss of reward.....the bible clearly teaches these truths........
GOD ONLY WHIPS CHILDREN and ONLY FOR DISOBEDIENCE AND SIN
JESUS and HIS righteousness being imputed by faith WITHOUT the deeds/works of the law which ETERNALLY justifies us before CHRIST having been BORN again by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED by the IRREVOCABLE gift of faith, salvation and eternal LIFE......
AFTER one has been born again they are dealt with as CHILDREN and rewarded for faithful SERVICE or WHIPPED for disobedience.....HE does NOT forsake us and or LEAVE US and this was written to the SAVED, IMMERSED church members.....WHERE SIN abounds, GRACE abounds the MORE..........
THE ONLY SIN that is not covered is the sin of unbelief into the work of CHRIST by blasphemy of the Spirit <---THE pharisees were attributing the work of Christ by the power of the Holy SPIRIT to the power of the devil <---this is a state of UNBELIEF and ONE that will not believe into the work of CHRIST, they CANNOT be forgiven....
JESUS said....WHERE I am going YOU CANNOT COME because YOU DO NOT BELIEVE I AM HE...........
Regardless of those that reject this truth the following is true...
a. OUR spirit has been born again from above by incorruptible seed and DOES NOT SIN <--1st JOHN
b. IT is still housed in a FALLEN dead body of SIN that is not subject unto the word of GOD, neither indeed can BE <--Romans
c. THE BATTLE ground for control is the MIND which is subject unto the TRANSFORMATIONAL process described in Romans 12
The bible is clear on these truths........the more a man is transformed inwardly the BETTER and MORE godly he lives outwardly..the opposite is equally true!
SIN in a believer BREAKS fellowship, but does NOT lead to the loss of salvation....it also leads to chastisement and the loss of reward.....the bible clearly teaches these truths........
GOD ONLY WHIPS CHILDREN and ONLY FOR DISOBEDIENCE AND SIN
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You NEVER AGREED with me. You keep calling me names FOR DISAGREEING with ONE post that said it takes years for a Christian to bear fruit
You are the one who is putting a formula on it. I just say it doesn't take years to bear fruit if you're in Christ. HE said EVERY BRANCH IN ME BEARS FRUIT
But you and DC seem to think new believers don't
And then you put words in my mouth. I never gave a formula, I never asked how long, I never said how much fruit we need to bear, I never speculated about how often, these are all inventions of your mind
Post numbers for all of these claims of me saying these things please
And every time we argued, YOU initiated it, and you say this is why you call me a legalist because you agree with me but I argue. If calling someone a deceiver and a legalist is agreeing, I'd hate to see what you say to people you disagreement
I'm waiting for post numbers to back up your accusations.
You are the one who is putting a formula on it. I just say it doesn't take years to bear fruit if you're in Christ. HE said EVERY BRANCH IN ME BEARS FRUIT
But you and DC seem to think new believers don't
And then you put words in my mouth. I never gave a formula, I never asked how long, I never said how much fruit we need to bear, I never speculated about how often, these are all inventions of your mind
Post numbers for all of these claims of me saying these things please
And every time we argued, YOU initiated it, and you say this is why you call me a legalist because you agree with me but I argue. If calling someone a deceiver and a legalist is agreeing, I'd hate to see what you say to people you disagreement
I'm waiting for post numbers to back up your accusations.
And the work produced is a byproduct of the work He is doing in each of us who believe in Him.
Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 John 5:5 NASB
I love this picture because it is spot on for all who put their trust in the work and Grace of Him.
1 Corinthians 1-30
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written, " Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord ."
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 NASB
Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 John 5:5 NASB
I love this picture because it is spot on for all who put their trust in the work and Grace of Him.
1 Corinthians 1-30
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written, " Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord ."
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 NASB
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This is a generalized observation concerning the handful of verses used to push a losable salvation I.E. comparable to the quote referenced above concerning the works of the flesh......
a. The bible makes it clear that within the ranks of the Lord's churches there will be at times tares sown in by the enemy.
b. Almost every time a man preaches behind the pulpit, in public etc. there will be lost men and women present
c. EVERYONE that teaches or preaches at times within a message makes very pointed statements to the whole group wile being directed at particular individuals.
NOT every verse given is applicable and or applied unto salvation.....While preaching to saved people we all have often made generalized statements that call to memory who we were and or who those within our ranks may yet be......
and we cannot forget....ALL lost men are found bound under the works of the flesh and the SIN associated with said works.....
and my bible is clear......IT is finished = paid in full......either JESUS paid our sin debt or he did not and we must of necessity place him on the cross EVERY SIN WE COMMIT.........and make no mistake.....SIN is SIN and we make a grievous error to qualify and quantify sin....your break the littlest aspect of the LAW...the smallest SIN makes you guilty of the whole.................................................................
a. The bible makes it clear that within the ranks of the Lord's churches there will be at times tares sown in by the enemy.
b. Almost every time a man preaches behind the pulpit, in public etc. there will be lost men and women present
c. EVERYONE that teaches or preaches at times within a message makes very pointed statements to the whole group wile being directed at particular individuals.
NOT every verse given is applicable and or applied unto salvation.....While preaching to saved people we all have often made generalized statements that call to memory who we were and or who those within our ranks may yet be......
and we cannot forget....ALL lost men are found bound under the works of the flesh and the SIN associated with said works.....
and my bible is clear......IT is finished = paid in full......either JESUS paid our sin debt or he did not and we must of necessity place him on the cross EVERY SIN WE COMMIT.........and make no mistake.....SIN is SIN and we make a grievous error to qualify and quantify sin....your break the littlest aspect of the LAW...the smallest SIN makes you guilty of the whole.................................................................
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GB9, please provide quotations and post numbers where I said the following
a. Where did I say I manifest fruits of the Spirit all the time?
b. Where did I give a formula for how long it takes a Christian to bear fruit?
c. When did I ask how long it takes to bear fruit?
d. when did I set a number of how many fruits we bear
THIS CHALLENGE IS FOR YOU AND ANYONE ELSE. PROVIDE QUOTES AND POST NUMBERS for where I said the following things.
a. Where did I say I manifest fruits of the Spirit all the time?
b. Where did I give a formula for how long it takes a Christian to bear fruit?
c. When did I ask how long it takes to bear fruit?
d. when did I set a number of how many fruits we bear
THIS CHALLENGE IS FOR YOU AND ANYONE ELSE. PROVIDE QUOTES AND POST NUMBERS for where I said the following things.
Generalised observation???
If you know the truth of scripture on this subject just directly address the question posed in the post you are passing genaralised observations of. How can Paul tell people they have righteousness/justification apart from not committing sin, and then warn believers that if they live in certain ways they will be barred from the kingdom of heaven?
If you know the truth of scripture on this subject just directly address the question posed in the post you are passing genaralised observations of. How can Paul tell people they have righteousness/justification apart from not committing sin, and then warn believers that if they live in certain ways they will be barred from the kingdom of heaven?
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@ExtraEcclesiamNullaSalus you 'disagreed' with this post --- which is weird, because all it is, is a question, and how do you disagree with a question? ((whatisthisidon'teven)) -- but you didn't reply.
i was wondering if you could explain what your reaction meant; it's unclear to me.
do you disagree that i love someone whom it is impossible for me to do otherwise?
do you disagree that i should be asking whether a very common human assumption can be shown from scripture?
are you just generally offended by this post so you wanted to put a red x on it?
why does a brand-new member with 0 posts, yet savvy enough about the forum to tune their privacy settings so i can't speak to you privately, go directly to this thread & put a big red x on what is nothing more than an honest question? i don't get it. i may be an idiot sheep, but i'm smart enough to realize you're not a 'new member' -- could you just clarify for me what you're trying to communicate?
thanks
@ExtraEcclesiamNullaSalus you 'disagreed' with this post --- which is weird, because all it is, is a question, and how do you disagree with a question? ((whatisthisidon'teven)) -- but you didn't reply.
i was wondering if you could explain what your reaction meant; it's unclear to me.
do you disagree that i love someone whom it is impossible for me to do otherwise?
do you disagree that i should be asking whether a very common human assumption can be shown from scripture?
are you just generally offended by this post so you wanted to put a red x on it?
why does a brand-new member with 0 posts, yet savvy enough about the forum to tune their privacy settings so i can't speak to you privately, go directly to this thread & put a big red x on what is nothing more than an honest question? i don't get it. i may be an idiot sheep, but i'm smart enough to realize you're not a 'new member' -- could you just clarify for me what you're trying to communicate?
thanks
i was wondering if you could explain what your reaction meant; it's unclear to me.
do you disagree that i love someone whom it is impossible for me to do otherwise?
do you disagree that i should be asking whether a very common human assumption can be shown from scripture?
are you just generally offended by this post so you wanted to put a red x on it?
why does a brand-new member with 0 posts, yet savvy enough about the forum to tune their privacy settings so i can't speak to you privately, go directly to this thread & put a big red x on what is nothing more than an honest question? i don't get it. i may be an idiot sheep, but i'm smart enough to realize you're not a 'new member' -- could you just clarify for me what you're trying to communicate?
thanks
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He doesn't and that is why you consistently miss the mark......and too be frank....I have watched your mouthy replies for two days.....I would be better off to address the rocks in my driveway......
and the type of contradiction that comes from believing and peddling a losable salvation should open ones eyes, but hey.....the many will ride their belief straight to the pit....
Lord, LORD have we not done.........IN YOUR NAME......
and the type of contradiction that comes from believing and peddling a losable salvation should open ones eyes, but hey.....the many will ride their belief straight to the pit....
Lord, LORD have we not done.........IN YOUR NAME......