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you are most certainly are wrong. i have spent several years studying and preaching God's word. i started our little church in my living room a few years ago.......i am currently looking for our second building because we have outgrown our current building. We dont have a real big church (75 or so who come sunday morn, sunday night, wed. night and everynight of revivals)
75 percent of our church is people from local baptist church's we have rescued with home bible studies teaching them the truth. i have to be honest, they make some very faithful christian's once they are enlightened
75 percent of our church is people from local baptist church's we have rescued with home bible studies teaching them the truth. i have to be honest, they make some very faithful christian's once they are enlightened
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Ezekiel 13:22 (KJV)
22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
OSAS has strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
OSAS has strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
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This is a very clear indication what the intention of this thread really is. Calling names and insulting other people's view is so disrespectful and unChristian. I would not report this to the mods as they usually do to those who disagrees with them but i would rather let the mods decide for themselves if this is acceptable in this Christian forum.
...“You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
Matthew 5:21-22
...And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will. 2 timothy 2:24-26
...“You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
Matthew 5:21-22
...And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will. 2 timothy 2:24-26
Your understanding is appalling, as proved by your interpretation of mark3:28, and your inability to address Gal5:19-21. As your understanding is so lacking you throw out wild and immature statements as you do.
So on the one hand you appear to claim Jesus was meaning if you live a sinfull lifestyle you are forgiven for that is what he states in Mark3:28, he is not referrinmg to individual sin, yet you then say John states Christians cannot live a sinfull lifestyle. Then you have to ignore what Galatians5:19-21 plainly states. Hopeless really, bye
So on the one hand you appear to claim Jesus was meaning if you live a sinfull lifestyle you are forgiven for that is what he states in Mark3:28, he is not referrinmg to individual sin, yet you then say John states Christians cannot live a sinfull lifestyle. Then you have to ignore what Galatians5:19-21 plainly states. Hopeless really, bye
84,611 posts on this thread + this one. Comprehension and dialectics vary among us. Interpretation and understanding differ among us. If I were to commit suicide would I lose my life? I say no! I threw it away. I'd rather ask can a person throw away their Salvation? Were they ever really saved? If they didn't commit blasphemy of the Holy Spirit can it be regained as if the lack of good decisions never really happened? I think these questions would be more productive for a while.
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Then Could You have been deceived into believing the LIES about OSAS. WE believe that You are SAVED before the Beginning of TIME. THEN after you have RECEIVED HIM as LORD, meaning MASTER, YOU WILL walk in Obedience as an act of LOVE, including Confessing and Repenting Each new Sin you discover in your WALK. SO Did you TEACH unwittingly the falsehood that OSAS Believers supposedly believe they can do what ever they want after they are Saved ? ? ? IF SO, HOW COME ? ? ? I suspect THAT LIE IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BELIEVE ABOUT US, without RESEARCHING the FACTS. I have been involve a NUMBER of OSAS Churches, because we MOVED A LOT when we were younger, I turn 70 in a couple weeks. And NOT ONE of those Churches since I was Born Again the Last week of 1977, that I have been involved with, taught anything less than after we are SAVED, we should Walk in OBEDIENCE out of LOVE FOR HIM. NO, IT IS NOT PART OF SALVATION, BUT IT IS PART OF OUR LOVE FOR HIM, that actually spawns from GOD's LOVE that was poured into our HEARTS, by the HOLY SPIRIT, Rom. 5:5.
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
I can't tell if you mean Christ or YHWH when you say God in all caps, but that while fail 'us' thing is absolutely impossible vis a vis human perspective... It's Christ that fears failing YHWH and the Host, but imho the other part is simply you fearing failure in the same way Christ does and lashing out at your God... Anger and/or denial are typically secondary to fear or belief of failure in souled creatures....
GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING, Including those who would not count the cost involved, and every decision one would make, before the beginning of time.
Perhaps you can find your answer in this verses:
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 (ESV)
12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—
13 each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
1 Chronicles 28:9 (ESV)
9 “And you, Solomon my son, know the God of your father and serve him with a whole heart and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches all hearts and understands every plan and thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will cast you off forever.
Perhaps you can find your answer in this verses:
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 (ESV)
12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—
13 each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
1 Chronicles 28:9 (ESV)
9 “And you, Solomon my son, know the God of your father and serve him with a whole heart and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches all hearts and understands every plan and thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will cast you off forever.
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This is not aimed at you, from a previous response of yours I would consider you one of the more mature people on this website.
If the answer to my question is yes, scripture very quickly starts to fall into line much better. Though for some, it would negate their cosy beliefs. If you say you believe in osas, or you say you do not, you are going to find scripture that opposes your belief either way. And you are going to have to do sommersaults with part of the written word to justify your view.
If God knows those who are truly his, for he knows they have counted the cost(the believer is called to surrender their life to Christ) but at the same time he will place a person in a saved state because they made a commitment to his Son, even though, he being all knowing knows it was not the commitment required to last, you are not left with having to contradict scripture with your particular view on the subject. Those who counted the cost will never be lost, those who did not and only made a shallow commitment can be lost
In saying that, the bible is a big book and I am quite sure someone will find a scripture if they so choose to oppose what I have written. But at least I do not have to ignore very plain scripture, which I would have to do if I chose one hard and fast rule over the other
If the answer to my question is yes, scripture very quickly starts to fall into line much better. Though for some, it would negate their cosy beliefs. If you say you believe in osas, or you say you do not, you are going to find scripture that opposes your belief either way. And you are going to have to do sommersaults with part of the written word to justify your view.
If God knows those who are truly his, for he knows they have counted the cost(the believer is called to surrender their life to Christ) but at the same time he will place a person in a saved state because they made a commitment to his Son, even though, he being all knowing knows it was not the commitment required to last, you are not left with having to contradict scripture with your particular view on the subject. Those who counted the cost will never be lost, those who did not and only made a shallow commitment can be lost
In saying that, the bible is a big book and I am quite sure someone will find a scripture if they so choose to oppose what I have written. But at least I do not have to ignore very plain scripture, which I would have to do if I chose one hard and fast rule over the other
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