Why is praying in tongues necessary?
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Necessary for what? Salvation? No, only faith in Yeshua/Jesus and His Blood is necessary for salvation.
Necessary for edification? Yes! Absolutely wonderful edification gift!
True, God does understand our hearts just fine, BUT do we understand HIS heart just fine? I think not.
Tongues are God's Words, He is speaking according to His heart over us, in us and through us. I don't have to understand..........I totally trust Him and love and appreciate any and all gifts that He wants to bestow upon and in me!
I encourage everyone to just freely desire and receive ANY of the gifts of the Holy Spirit that God wants to give you. All of His gifts are so precious and very necessary for the whole Body of Christ........Enjoy!
Necessary for edification? Yes! Absolutely wonderful edification gift!
True, God does understand our hearts just fine, BUT do we understand HIS heart just fine?
I think not. Tongues are God's Words, He is speaking according to His heart over us, in us and through us. I don't have to understand..........I totally trust Him and love and appreciate any and all gifts that He wants to bestow upon and in me!
I encourage everyone to just freely desire and receive ANY of the gifts of the Holy Spirit that God wants to give you. All of His gifts are so precious and very necessary for the whole Body of Christ........Enjoy!
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It would seem from my perspective you are avoiding "the law of faith" or the law and not theory by which we can believe God not seen as it is written.. Its easy to see what the sign confirms and what kind of people it is against .Its the best way I could describe it. How would you describe the sign? Would you exchange the colors and make it your own sign as a oral tradition? I think it is the sign of unbelief (no faith) a sign to all nations.
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto "this people"; and yet for all that will "they not hear me", saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to "them" that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21-22
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto "this people"; and yet for all that will "they not hear me", saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to "them" that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21-22
How about we focus on the Giver of His Gifts....................How wonderful that our Father gives us salvation through His Son - Yeshua/Jesus which would be enough, but He wants to also give us His Holy Spirit. Great! Wow!
But wait, the Holy Spirit also has gifts for us..................WOW! God just keeps giving and giving more and more........amazing!!
And here we are, arguing over the gifts! LOL! How ridiculous we must look! LOL!
But wait, the Holy Spirit also has gifts for us..................WOW! God just keeps giving and giving more and more........amazing!!
And here we are, arguing over the gifts! LOL! How ridiculous we must look! LOL!
Now, blue............hold on, necessary for what?
Salvation? Then, I agree that tongues are not necessary because salvation comes by faith in Yeshua/Jesus and His Blood.
However, tongues are necessary according to the Father's plan and purpose because His Holy Spirit distributes the gift of tongues as He wills. God's ways are higher than ours and I'm pretty sure He knows what He is doing.
Tongues are necessary for edification - when the Holy Spirit wants to edify us one on one - cuddle and comfort us and recharge us - build us up in our faith in God so that we can be a blessing to others.
Salvation? Then, I agree that tongues are not necessary because salvation comes by faith in Yeshua/Jesus and His Blood.
However, tongues are necessary according to the Father's plan and purpose because His Holy Spirit distributes the gift of tongues as He wills. God's ways are higher than ours and I'm pretty sure He knows what He is doing.
Tongues are necessary for edification - when the Holy Spirit wants to edify us one on one - cuddle and comfort us and recharge us - build us up in our faith in God so that we can be a blessing to others.
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Ya know, dc, you gotta ask yourself, "Why is it that only Noose and garee 'liked' my post?" LOL
Perhaps some cuddling with the Holy Spirit would do you some good.........
I'm sorry I'm picking on you, Noose and garee.............but, come on y'all! Jesus saved us to reconcile us back to the Father. Now, the Father is lavishing His gift of the Holy Spirit on us and gifts are everywhere in abundance!!!
I'm not going to argue over if ANY of these gifts are necessary, I'm gonna say, "woooohooooo! Thank You, Daddy!!!" ...............just like a child.
Perhaps some cuddling with the Holy Spirit would do you some good.........
I'm sorry I'm picking on you, Noose and garee.............but, come on y'all! Jesus saved us to reconcile us back to the Father. Now, the Father is lavishing His gift of the Holy Spirit on us and gifts are everywhere in abundance!!!
I'm not going to argue over if ANY of these gifts are necessary, I'm gonna say, "woooohooooo! Thank You, Daddy!!!" ...............just like a child.
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Romans 8:26-27 Amplified Bible (AMP)
Our Victory in Christ
26 In the same way the Spirit [comes to us and] helps us in our weakness. We do not know what prayer to offer or how to offer it as we should, but the Spirit Himself [knows our need and at the right time] intercedes on our behalf with sighs and groanings too deep for words. 27 And He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because the Spirit intercedes [before God] on behalf of [a]God’s people in accordance with God’s will.
Search Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament
Romans 8:26
Helpeth our infirmity (sunantilambanetai th asqeneiai hmwn). Present middle indicative of sunantilambanomai, late and striking double compound (Diodorus, LXX, Josephus, frequent in inscriptions, Deissmann, Light, etc., p. 87), to lend a hand together with, at the same time with one. Only twice in N.T., here and Luke 10:40 in Martha's plea for Mary's help. Here beautifully Paul pictures the Holy Spirit taking hold at our side at the very time of our weakness (associative instrumental case) and before too late. How to pray (to ti proseuxwmeqa). Articular clause object of oidamen (we know) and indirect question with the deliberative aorist middle subjunctive proseuxwmeqa, retained in the indirect question. As we ought (kaqo dei). "As it is necessary." How true this is of all of us in our praying. Maketh intercession (uperentugcanei). Present active indicative of late double compound, found only here and in later ecclesiastical writers, but entugcanw occurs in verse Luke 27 (a common verb). It is a picturesque word of rescue by one who "happens on" (entugcanei) one who is in trouble and "in his behalf" (uper) pleads "with unuttered groanings" (instrumental case) or with "sighs that baffle words" (Denney). This is work of our Helper, the Spirit himself.
Our Victory in Christ
26 In the same way the Spirit [comes to us and] helps us in our weakness. We do not know what prayer to offer or how to offer it as we should, but the Spirit Himself [knows our need and at the right time] intercedes on our behalf with sighs and groanings too deep for words. 27 And He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because the Spirit intercedes [before God] on behalf of [a]God’s people in accordance with God’s will.
Search Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament
Romans 8:26
Helpeth our infirmity (sunantilambanetai th asqeneiai hmwn). Present middle indicative of sunantilambanomai, late and striking double compound (Diodorus, LXX, Josephus, frequent in inscriptions, Deissmann, Light, etc., p. 87), to lend a hand together with, at the same time with one. Only twice in N.T., here and Luke 10:40 in Martha's plea for Mary's help. Here beautifully Paul pictures the Holy Spirit taking hold at our side at the very time of our weakness (associative instrumental case) and before too late. How to pray (to ti proseuxwmeqa). Articular clause object of oidamen (we know) and indirect question with the deliberative aorist middle subjunctive proseuxwmeqa, retained in the indirect question. As we ought (kaqo dei). "As it is necessary." How true this is of all of us in our praying. Maketh intercession (uperentugcanei). Present active indicative of late double compound, found only here and in later ecclesiastical writers, but entugcanw occurs in verse Luke 27 (a common verb). It is a picturesque word of rescue by one who "happens on" (entugcanei) one who is in trouble and "in his behalf" (uper) pleads "with unuttered groanings" (instrumental case) or with "sighs that baffle words" (Denney). This is work of our Helper, the Spirit himself.
Nothing in Acts 10 says they was given a prayer language. One must read that into the text. It simply is not there.
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peterwere astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peterwere astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
I have never felt that tongues in pentecostal settings gave me any edification because it is clear they are not languages.
The research by Linguists in this area have universally concluded that no discernible languages are being spoken in those meetings. Often the alleged interpretation does not line up with the length of the tongue being interpreted. Studies have been done where a known message on tape or cd has been played for tongue interpretations. No two gave the same understanding, not even one gets the understanding correct. In fact, during some services I have read out my shopping list to see what odd interpretations will come up. None, exposed it was simply a shopping list. I have seen cases where someone speaks poor English., whose words were interpreted that had nothing to do with what they were actually trying to say.
The research by Linguists in this area have universally concluded that no discernible languages are being spoken in those meetings. Often the alleged interpretation does not line up with the length of the tongue being interpreted. Studies have been done where a known message on tape or cd has been played for tongue interpretations. No two gave the same understanding, not even one gets the understanding correct. In fact, during some services I have read out my shopping list to see what odd interpretations will come up. None, exposed it was simply a shopping list. I have seen cases where someone speaks poor English., whose words were interpreted that had nothing to do with what they were actually trying to say.
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Necessary for what? Salvation? No, only faith in Yeshua/Jesus and His Blood is necessary for salavation.
Necessary for edification? Yes!
Necessary for edification? Yes!
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