I override Constantine!

[GenJesus]

Keep any day you like for a Sabbath. The Lord will sort it out when He comes back. If you want to study the wave sheaf, realize it pictures Christ's first ascension not His resurrection. And no, you are not going to convince anybody Constantine didn't have his way with Christendom.

Duly noted. I'm not worried about Sabbath; but "Sunday". And at least you know who I am.

 

[Blik]

You DO realize; Im asking if Lev 23:11-21; means "Sunday"? Im not denying what your revealing; Im now asking; why are you revealing this?

I don't think that any days God asked that something special be done on that day to make it a Sabbath would in any way cancel the one day of the week God specially blessed for us to use as a rest time and consider is holy.

When God speaks to us trough scripture as He often has it is not to cancel the times God has spoken before, it is to tell us something. It is just like if you explain something to your children, it isn't for them to ignore everything you have explained before.

 

[Blik]

"On the morrow after the SABBATH" seems to be a Sabbath statement. Lev 23:11

The day after the Sabbath is Sunday, on Sunday it says to wave the sheaf not anything about cancelling Saturday as a rest day. Today, we have no sheaf to wave, but translating the spirit of God into today's culture it would be to thank God as the source of our goods we use.

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

What day is Leviticus 23:11-21? Your quote is useless; If Lev 23:11-21; means "Sunday".

Lev 23:11-21 is about first fruits and Shavuot. Two different feasts. We are to count 7 sabbaths and a day from the feast of first fruits which equates 50 days where the modern day church has labeled as pentacost because of the numerical 50. Not sure how this passage deals with the Sabbath or the set apart day of rest and worship, but you asked what the meaning was to that particular passage.... now on the fact that Sun day is a set apart day, I agree with you, however it wasn’t set apart by Yahweh, it was set apart by men. Well a man in particular. Nimrod, the father of sun god worship and his bride samaremis (also known as Ishtar, which is a whole other topic we can discuss if desired on pagan feasts an festivals which Constantine adopted into the church to be carried out as to try and unite all of his people) also would like to point out the calendar we follow today in society ( Gregorian calendar) was only brought about in the late 1500’s there is no way anything in the Bible could reference a particular day pertaining to our calendar. Instead we have to look at time keeping and day keeping in a Hebrew mindset (what the Bible was written in originally) which were an agrerian society, and therefore used the moon, sun, and stars to dictate thier days, years, and signs/season as stated in Genesis.

 

[tanakh]

I wasn't aware that Nimrod spoke English.

The Bible says very little about Nimrod most of this information comes from a book called the Two Babylons. Which sets about trying to prove that the Catholic Church is Pagan. Nimrod was according to the book was the husband of Semiramis which was a great achievement since they lived centuries part from each other.

If Nimrod spoke English it would probably have been King Jimmies variety

 

[obedienttogod]

But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Which word translates to Saturday or Sunday my resources are limited..

You can always be in worship and contact with God. He, unlike the Adversary, can read your thoughts. While I am jig grinding, my mind still focused upon the task at hand, is also in some form of way in prayer/worship/concern and giving it to God.

 

[GenJesus]

Keep any day you like for a Sabbath. The Lord will sort it out when He comes back. If you want to study the wave sheaf, realize it pictures Christ's first ascension not His resurrection. And no, you are not going to convince anybody Constantine didn't have his way with Christendom.

Duly noted. I'm not worried about Sabbath; but "Sunday". And at least you know who I am.

Lev 23:11-21 is about first fruits and Shavuot. Two different feasts. We are to count 7 sabbaths and a day from the feast of first fruits which equates 50 days where the modern day church has labeled as pentacost because of the numerical 50. Not sure how this passage deals with the Sabbath or the set apart day of rest and worship, but you asked what the meaning was to that particular passage.... now on the fact that Sun day is a set apart day, I agree with you, however it wasn’t set apart by Yahweh, it was set apart by men. Well a man in particular. Nimrod, the father of sun god worship and his bride samaremis (also known as Ishtar, which is a whole other topic we can discuss if desired on pagan feasts an festivals which Constantine adopted into the church to be carried out as to try and unite all of his people) also would like to point out the calendar we follow today in society ( Gregorian calendar) was only brought about in the late 1500’s there is no way anything in the Bible could reference a particular day pertaining to our calendar. Instead we have to look at time keeping and day keeping in a Hebrew mindset (what the Bible was written in originally) which were an agrerian society, and therefore used the moon, sun, and stars to dictate thier days, years, and signs/season as stated in Genesis.

I'm actually not asking for all that. I'm not sure why you think I am. I'm not asking for the presice circumstances of lev 23. I'm asking what day is Lev 23:11. Because Lev 23:21, says to have a holy convocation on that day.

 

[Lanolin]

Um. I thought at first you had run constantine over on your bike or something.

As for saturday or sunday, well its the weekend, relax. Most people do Thank God its Friday. Even pagans do this.

I think our calendars are out of sync though, many people go by the solar calendar wheras others go by the moon. So its possibly our weeks dont even match up. Personally am for a four day working week but dont know it that will catch on. JEsus actually did his good works round the clock, but when he rested it was at unusual times like when everyone else was panicking in a storm, he was having a nap.

 

[Deade]

I'm actually not asking for all that. I'm not sure why you think I am. I'm not asking for the presice circumstances of lev 23. I'm asking what day is Lev 23:11. Because Lev 23:21, says to have a holy convocation on that day.

No holy convocation on the wave sheaf day. It was always held on the day after the weekly Sabbath during Passover. It did call for an offering to God (Lev. 23:11-14). Verses 15-22 are describing the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) 50 days after Passover.

 

[GenJesus]

No holy convocation on the wave sheaf day. It was always held on the day after the weekly Sabbath during Passover. It did call for an offering to God (Lev. 23:11-14). Verses 15-22 are describing the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) 50 days after Passover.

"No holy convocation"? What day is Lev 23:21, about?

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

"No holy convocation"? What day is Lev 23:21, about?

These holy days/offering days were in addition to the weekly Sabbath in that they were special convocations centered around a festival. Much like in the church today Christmas is celebrated (by those who celebrate it, I do not, but that is not the topic at hand) on the 25th of December whereas their holy day that week is a different day all together. Lev 23:21 is not a parameter of which to setup a weekly Sabbath by, it is however signifying what the Feast day would fall and how to celebrate it. Also please note that it wouldn't be a "sunday" as we know it due to our Gregorian calendar not being created during this time.

 

[Deade]

"No holy convocation"? What day is Lev 23:21, about?

Please reread the last sentence. Never mind I'll just re-post here: Verses 15-22 are describing the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) 50 days after Passover.

The Feast of Weeks​

Lev. 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

 

[GenJesus]

These holy days/offering days were in addition to the weekly Sabbath in that they were special convocations centered around a festival. Much like in the church today Christmas is celebrated (by those who celebrate it, I do not, but that is not the topic at hand) on the 25th of December whereas their holy day that week is a different day all together. Lev 23:21 is not a parameter of which to setup a weekly Sabbath by, it is however signifying what the Feast day would fall and how to celebrate it. Also please note that it wouldn't be a "sunday" as we know it due to our Gregorian calendar not being created during this time.

And does that mean Sabbath wouldn't be "Saturday"?

 

[GenJesus]

​

Please reread the last sentence. Never mind I'll just re-post here: Verses 15-22 are describing the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) 50 days after Passover.

The Feast of Weeks​

Lev. 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

What Im getting at is; Lev 23:11-21, means "Sunday". Am I correct? The Adventist consensus says "Yes".

 

[Deade]

These holy days/offering days were in addition to the weekly Sabbath in that they were special convocations centered around a festival. Much like in the church today Christmas is celebrated (by those who celebrate it, I do not, but that is not the topic at hand) on the 25th of December whereas their holy day that week is a different day all together. Lev 23:21 is not a parameter of which to setup a weekly Sabbath by, it is however signifying what the Feast day would fall and how to celebrate it. Also please note that it wouldn't be a "sunday" as we know it due to our Gregorian calendar not being created during this time.

The following is a study on whether the weekly cycle has been altered:

So what actual documentation do you have which proves that the seventh day cycle has been interrupted?

-Astronomy observance

"The human race never lost the septenary [seven day] sequence of week days and
that the Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, though the ages,
without a single lapse."—Dr. Totten, professor of astronomy at Yale University.

"Seven has been the ancient and honored number among the nations of the earth.
They have measured their time by weeks from the beginning. The origin of this was
the Sabbath of God, as Moses has given the reasons for it in his writings."
—Dr. Lyman Coleman.

"By calculating the eclipses, it can be proven that no time has been lost and the
creation days were seven, divided into 24 hours each."—Dr. Hinkley,
The Watchman, July 1926 [Hinkley was a well-known astronomer].

"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in
any way the cycle of the week."—James Robertson, Director American Ephemeris,
Navy Department, U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C., March 12, 1932.

"It can be said with assurance that not a day has been lost since Creation, and all
the calendar changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in the weekly cycle."
—Dr. Frank Jeffries, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and Research
Director of the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England.

There is no question about which day the seventh day of the week is.

The weekly cycle? The break between the shift from the Julian
to the Gregorian calendar? There was a well known break of 10 days.

In 1582, that Thursday the 4th was followed by Friday the 15th.

The weekly cycle was not interrupted. Now take a look at 1752, Wednesday
the 2nd was followed by Thursday the 14th. Again, the calendar had to be
adjusted to correct it to the seasons but the weekly cycle remained unchanged.
\ End of study.

We do have historical records back to the time of Christ. He had no problem accepting out weekly cycle.

 

[GenJesus]

The following is a study on whether the weekly cycle has been altered:

So what actual documentation do you have which proves that the seventh day cycle has been interrupted?

-Astronomy observance

"The human race never lost the septenary [seven day] sequence of week days and
that the Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, though the ages,
without a single lapse."—Dr. Totten, professor of astronomy at Yale University.

"Seven has been the ancient and honored number among the nations of the earth.
They have measured their time by weeks from the beginning. The origin of this was
the Sabbath of God, as Moses has given the reasons for it in his writings."
—Dr. Lyman Coleman.

"By calculating the eclipses, it can be proven that no time has been lost and the
creation days were seven, divided into 24 hours each."—Dr. Hinkley,
The Watchman, July 1926 [Hinkley was a well-known astronomer].

"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in
any way the cycle of the week."—James Robertson, Director American Ephemeris,
Navy Department, U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C., March 12, 1932.

"It can be said with assurance that not a day has been lost since Creation, and all
the calendar changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in the weekly cycle."
—Dr. Frank Jeffries, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and Research
Director of the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England.

There is no question about which day the seventh day of the week is.

The weekly cycle? The break between the shift from the Julian
to the Gregorian calendar? There was a well known break of 10 days.

In 1582, that Thursday the 4th was followed by Friday the 15th.

The weekly cycle was not interrupted. Now take a look at 1752, Wednesday
the 2nd was followed by Thursday the 14th. Again, the calendar had to be
adjusted to correct it to the seasons but the weekly cycle remained unchanged.
\ End of study.

We do have historical records back to the time of Christ. He had no problem accepting out weekly cycle.

Dr. Totten is incorrect. There is no Sabbath, coming from Adam. And do I have more reason; to assemble on "Sunday", than on Saturday?

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

The following is a study on whether the weekly cycle has been altered:

So what actual documentation do you have which proves that the seventh day cycle has been interrupted?

-Astronomy observance

"The human race never lost the septenary [seven day] sequence of week days and
that the Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, though the ages,
without a single lapse."—Dr. Totten, professor of astronomy at Yale University.

"Seven has been the ancient and honored number among the nations of the earth.
They have measured their time by weeks from the beginning. The origin of this was
the Sabbath of God, as Moses has given the reasons for it in his writings."
—Dr. Lyman Coleman.

"By calculating the eclipses, it can be proven that no time has been lost and the
creation days were seven, divided into 24 hours each."—Dr. Hinkley,
The Watchman, July 1926 [Hinkley was a well-known astronomer].

"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in
any way the cycle of the week."—James Robertson, Director American Ephemeris,
Navy Department, U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C., March 12, 1932.

"It can be said with assurance that not a day has been lost since Creation, and all
the calendar changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in the weekly cycle."
—Dr. Frank Jeffries, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and Research
Director of the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England.

There is no question about which day the seventh day of the week is.

The weekly cycle? The break between the shift from the Julian
to the Gregorian calendar? There was a well known break of 10 days.

In 1582, that Thursday the 4th was followed by Friday the 15th.

The weekly cycle was not interrupted. Now take a look at 1752, Wednesday
the 2nd was followed by Thursday the 14th. Again, the calendar had to be
adjusted to correct it to the seasons but the weekly cycle remained unchanged.
\ End of study.

We do have historical records back to the time of Christ. He had no problem accepting out weekly cycle.

I’m not coming against a weekly cycle being 7 days or even that Saturday wouldn’t be sabbath for that matter. What I am saying is that we shouldn’t try to align a particular day according to our calendar today comparatively to a particular day in scripture. Essentially each day in scripture is referenced as a number and not a name, sun day was given as a day commemorating the sun in our calendars as well as other names commentating other facets and/or deities. My point was simply to say that thier calendar was agrerian based according to moon, sun, and stars. Whereas ours is based on a written calendar that isn’t perfect as in we have leap years and the time differentiation twice a year. I’m not coming against anyone’s sabbath or that the week is a 7 day cycle, but there is evidence it hasn’t remained the exact same from Adam as you posted in your studies, furthermore when Israel went captive into Babylon they adopted thier calendar as well and had to reconfigure when they came back to the land.