Does God want us to choose between law and grace?

[PS]

su·per·sede
/ˌso͞opərˈsēd/
verb
take the place of (a person or thing previously in authority or use); supplant.
"the older models have now been superseded"
synonyms:replace, supplant, take the place of, take over from, substitute for, displace, oust, overthrow, remove, unseat, override
Sorry Grandpa you are wrong.
Violent men since the beginning have been trying to take the Kingdom of Elohim by force.
Messiah did not do away with, replace, substitute, or supplant the righteous instruction of the Father. He taught it and kept it. So did the early assembly Apostles and teachers by the way.

Yes, Jesus kept the law while on earth, but after the veil was rent in two and Jesus became our High Priest it changed.

 

[Matthew55]

All who RELY on works for salvation. Doing works is NOT relying on them for salvation but loving God.

Rabbinical teachings are teachings to use rituals to obey law, that is NOT law obedience.

The command in the flesh and not in the spirit are set aside, but the law, the spirit of God is NOT set aside.

All of our fleshly earthly life is a shadow of the life to come, that does not mean we should all destroy our earth because it is a shadow of heaven.

To set aside God's law for us is to set aside God.

If the law of Moses is set aside, does that mean we can murder and Jesus will still save us?

 

[Matthew55]

Yes, Jesus kept the law while on earth, but after the veil was rent in two and Jesus became our High Priest it changed.

So I ask you the same question. If we believe in Christ and have the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and are saved, can we murder someone and will Chirst forgive us and save us still?

 

[Guojing]

If the law of Moses is set aside, does that mean we can murder and Jesus will still save us?

If you murder someone but you trust in the Lord and his resurrection as payment for your murder, yes of course you will still be saved.

But you will still be subjected to consequences on Earth for that murder, but not from God.

 

[Historyanswers]

If the law of Moses is set aside, does that mean we can murder and Jesus will still save us?

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]If the law of Moses is set aside, there must be a reason to why it is set aside.

 

[PS]

If the law of Moses is set aside, does that mean we can murder and Jesus will still save us?

The Law of MOSES needs to be set aside. Do that first and those who have the law of GOD as given by Jesus, engraved on their hearts will find that Satan flees away.

The court must not inflict punishment on Shabbat — Ex. 35:3
Not to rob openly — Lev. 19:13
Not to kill the murderer before he stands trial — Num. 35:12
Save someone being pursued even by taking the life of the pursuer — Deut. 25:12
Not to pity the pursuer — Num. 35:12
The courts must carry out the death penalty of stoning — Deut. 22:24
The courts must carry out the death penalty of burning — Lev. 20:14
The courts must carry out the death penalty of the sword — Ex. 21:20
The courts must carry out the death penalty of strangulation — Lev. 20:10
The courts must hang those stoned for blasphemy or idolatry — Deut. 21:22
Bury the executed on the day they are killed — Deut. 21:23
Not to delay burial overnight — Deut. 21:23
The court must not let the sorcerer live — Ex. 22:17
The court must not kill anybody on circumstantial evidence — Ex. 23:7
A judge must not pity the murderer or assaulter at the trial — Deut. 19:13
Destroy the seven Canaanite nations — Deut. 20:17
Not to let any of them remain alive — Deut. 20:16
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
(Lev 20:9 KJV)

 

[Grandpa]

su·per·sede
/ˌso͞opərˈsēd/
verb

1. 
   
2. 
   
3. take the place of (a person or thing previously in authority or use); supplant.
   "the older models have now been superseded"
   synonyms:replace, supplant, take the place of, take over from, substitute for, displace, oust, overthrow, remove, unseat, override
   Sorry Grandpa you are wrong.
   Violent men since the beginning have been trying to take the Kingdom of Elohim by force.
   Messiah did not do away with, replace, substitute, or supplant the righteous instruction of the Father. He taught it and kept it. So did the early assembly Apostles and teachers by the way.
   
   
   

I don't recall any early assembly Apostles or teachers sacrificing animals for an atonement for sins.

Could you show in the bible where that was done?

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It definitely looks like Paul vehemently disagrees with you, John.

Do you consider him to be an "early assembly Apostle"?

 

[Absolutely]

Without corresponding works


It is not so much about Him coming into us personally, but us RECEIVING Him personally, and He won't do that until we first believe and receive the truth of the gospel for ourselves AND ACT ON IT by asking Him to do so.
Two cannot walk together UNTIL they agree.
Jesus will not do what He promised until we meet His requirement of ACTING on His word. Confessing or asking verbally is one of those actions, also known as a WORK of faith or a work done in faith, which is also a doer of the word.
Until one becomes a doer of what they hear or acts on the word they received for themselves personally, ie the gospel concerning salvation or healing, the word they hear will remain dead, not being mixed with faith.
For example, let's say someone hears a word that God healed so and so and He will do the same for them, and they say, 'that may be good for them but God doesn't do that for me.'
They did not agree with the gospel or the work that Jesus wrought for them on the cross, therefore God will not them, because they first, did not receive His word for themself personally, and second, they did not ACT on said word/truth/gospel.

Recieving would entail his coming in.
So yes ,it is about him coming in to us.
The vivid picture is " i stand at the door and knock"

 

[Guojing]

So hebrews carries the same weight of non importance since it is written to Jews.
And even closer to home is the dismissal of the red letter verses in the gospels since they are non pauline right?

Paul remarked this of the Lord Jesus ministry in the 4 Gospels in Romans 15:8

Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

I am not of the circumcision. So the Gospels are not written to me. The Gentiles were excluded from the covenant, until those of the circumcision rejected their Gospel of the Kingdom.

 

[cdmeyer]

Fallacy: equivocation.

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

This chapter makes it absolutely clear that both our salvation and our sanctification are by faith, not by following the law. Paul was clear about what he meant by "the law". He didn't mean the rabbinic teachings; he meant the Law as given to Moses. The quote in verse 10 is from Deuteronomy 27:26 which says, “Cursed is anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.”

Understand the law, by all means... and understand that we are under a different covenant, for the earlier covenant has been set aside.

Ephesians 4:14-15 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations...

Hebrews 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves.
Hebrew 10:9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second.

what difference does all this make if Jesus died on the cross and put his will into affect (the New Testament)? The old law is been done away with. As an example for today, if someone writes a will legally and then supersedes that will with additional instructions legally, are the 2nd set of instructions the ones people need to follow? I don't understand anyone's way of thinking when they say we need to go back to the Old Testament for how we live today.

 

[Dino246]

what difference does all this make if Jesus died on the cross and put his will into affect (the New Testament)? The old law is been done away with. As an example for today, if someone writes a will legally and then supersedes that will with additional instructions legally, are the 2nd set of instructions the ones people need to follow? I don't understand anyone's way of thinking when they say we need to go back to the Old Testament for how we live today.

I agree with you on this.

Psst... the word in bold should be "effect", not "affect". "Affect" is always a verb; "effect" is usually a noun and is only used as a verb with the meaning "bring about" as in "to effect change".

 

[Matthew55]

The Law of MOSES needs to be set aside. Do that first and those who have the law of GOD as given by Jesus, engraved on their hearts will find that Satan flees away.

The court must not inflict punishment on Shabbat — Ex. 35:3
Not to rob openly — Lev. 19:13
Not to kill the murderer before he stands trial — Num. 35:12
Save someone being pursued even by taking the life of the pursuer — Deut. 25:12
Not to pity the pursuer — Num. 35:12
The courts must carry out the death penalty of stoning — Deut. 22:24
The courts must carry out the death penalty of burning — Lev. 20:14
The courts must carry out the death penalty of the sword — Ex. 21:20
The courts must carry out the death penalty of strangulation — Lev. 20:10
The courts must hang those stoned for blasphemy or idolatry — Deut. 21:22
Bury the executed on the day they are killed — Deut. 21:23
Not to delay burial overnight — Deut. 21:23
The court must not let the sorcerer live — Ex. 22:17
The court must not kill anybody on circumstantial evidence — Ex. 23:7
A judge must not pity the murderer or assaulter at the trial — Deut. 19:13
Destroy the seven Canaanite nations — Deut. 20:17
Not to let any of them remain alive — Deut. 20:16
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
(Lev 20:9 KJV)

I believe the Law of Moses has been replaced by the Law of Christ. So is it OK for you to murder since we are under grace and Jesus will forgive us immediately for this murder and save us into Eternal Life?

 

[Dino246]

I believe the Law of Moses has been replaced by the Law of Christ. So is it OK for you to murder since we are under grace and Jesus will forgive us immediately for this murder and save us into Eternal Life?

It's rather disturbing that you keep asking whether it's okay to murder.

NO, it's absolutely not okay, so please stop asking.

Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

 

[Matthew55]

what difference does all this make if Jesus died on the cross and put his will into affect (the New Testament)? The old law is been done away with. As an example for today, if someone writes a will legally and then supersedes that will with additional instructions legally, are the 2nd set of instructions the ones people need to follow? I don't understand anyone's way of thinking when they say we need to go back to the Old Testament for how we live today.

How much of the old Law has been done away? For instance some people do not go to church on Sunday because they think the Sabbath day worship has been done away with. Some people think they can do whatever they wish, even murder if they needed to because they are under grace and will be forgiven anything and still have Eternal life. Do you believe these things?

 

[PS]

I believe the Law of Moses has been replaced by the Law of Christ. So is it OK for you to murder since we are under grace and Jesus will forgive us immediately for this murder and save us into Eternal Life?

Your joking!

 

[Matthew55]

It's rather disturbing that you keep asking whether it's okay to murder.

NO, it's absolutely not okay, so please stop asking.

Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Is it true that these people in Revelation 21 will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur even if they at one time were believers in Jesus Christ and received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and were saved for Eternal Life, but then turned into one described in Revelations 21?

 

[Matthew55]

Your joking!

Sort of. I am taking a position to it's logical absurdity. So we both agree that you cannot believe in Jesus Christ and be baptized by the Holy Spirit and are saved in Eternal Life, and then turn and murder for any reason, and expect to have Eternal Life. Am I right?

 

[PS]

Sort of. I am taking a position to it's logical absurdity. So we both agree that you cannot believe in Jesus Christ and be baptized by the Holy Spirit and are saved in Eternal Life, and then turn and murder for any reason, and expect to have Eternal Life. Am I right?

With Christ in our heart we become a changed person and we become more and more Christ-like. Taking it to it's logical conclusion you wouldn't even harm someone with words. If you did you would be in danger of hell fire.

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: (22) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Mat 5:21-22)

 

[Matthew55]

With Christ in our heart we become a changed person and we become more and more Christ-like. Taking it to it's logical conclusion you wouldn't even harm someone with words. If you did you would be in danger of hell fire.

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: (22) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Mat 5:21-22)

The point is: would you be in danger of hell fire if you were once saved for Eternal Life? This is the point. Respond to this point, thank you.

 

[PS]

I agree with you on this.

Psst... the word in bold should be "effect", not "affect". "Affect" is always a verb; "effect" is usually a noun and is only used as a verb with the meaning "bring about" as in "to effect change".

I could do with a grammar expert to check my web site for errors.

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