Speaking in tongues
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you think those who do not agree with is hate. LOL hahaha really I do not think anyone really looses any sleep over your biblical position concerning the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Wow,thats like saying since everybody will die anyway ,whats the point of healing.
But if you take out the compassion of God,and say ALL healing is ONLY for a sign,then it would indeed place a robot like attitude on the operations of heaven toward man.
Yep.
Many many truths are multifaceted.
The cessationist works tirelessly to cram God in a 1 dimensional box using cessationist talking points ,and their very own pattern, which is placed on the pages of the bible, to omit the possibility that Jesus has power.
Psalms 116:
15Precious in the sight of the LORD
is the death of His saints.
Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
devout men are swept away,
with none considering
that the righteous are guided
from the presence of evil.
2Those who walk uprightly enter into peace;
they find rest, lying down in death.
Life and death.
Lets take a look.
" the devil comes to steal,kill and destroy,I come that they might have life,and that more abundantly"
"For this reason was the son of God manifested,to DESTROY the works of the devil"
God is not one dimensional
Healing,health,prosperity,sound mind,radical love of God,peace,joy,Gods favor
All benefits of heaven
And in heaven
And for us today.
Death?
I am crucified with Christ
My life is his.
Martyrdom is part of the deal. It is a high honor.
But we die here and now everyday SO THAT.....we can live a resurrected abundant life.
All benefits of heaven
And in heaven
And for us today.
Death?
I am crucified with Christ
My life is his.
Martyrdom is part of the deal. It is a high honor.
But we die here and now everyday SO THAT.....we can live a resurrected abundant life.
Did anything you said here change Psalms 116 or Isa 57? i don't think so. Precious in the eyes of God is the death of His saints still and the righteous find rest when they die still.
I think you are taking things literally here, Jesus giving life in abundance doesn't mean you can not die, it is talking in a spiritual sense.
Doesn't matter; death can be through illness and there are no people today with the gift of healing or any other gift. They all ceased.
Where did you come up with the idea that because God is not adding to His book of prophecy as of the last book in any manner to include tongues that it could omit from His power some how. How?.
Is there a law missing by which we could understand or know Him in a more personal way .Or do we have the perfect law and we are not to expect any new knowledge ?
you really need to look at the context of what you are seeing. Does what you have line up with what Jesus has said about healing and the power of God ?
There's no context that's going to reverse that. It has been said, then it is, whether you like it or not, whether it aligns with your understanding or not. And i'm still waiting for your interpretation of that- does it by any chance mean that God doesn't like the death of His saints?
Evidence?
lol of course not, what possibly Could our Lord Jesus say or know about healing and the believer and healing today. How foolish of me.
What possibly could our Lord know about healing? He knew everything about healing and every miracle. They were not for your happiness but to validate the message and the messenger, but after the message was preached, no more miracles, no more gifts.
Mark 16: 20 And they went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked through them,confirming His word by the signs that accompanied it.
Heb 2:3 how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? This salvation was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, 4and was affirmed by God through signs,wonders, various miracles, and gifts of the HolySpirit distributed according to His will.
No one today, has been appointed by God to preach the gospel.
then why are you saying " There's no context that's going to reverse that " When I referred to what Jesus said about healing? you are very immature
Oh, so wrong.
Noose and Garee, I understand about this vendetta you have against the Pentecostals. I am sorry if some have hurt you in the past. I am praying that God lets you overcome you hurt. Speaking against the gifts of the HS will not earn you any points with God. You are risking getting very far off track with God's word.
Oh, so wrong.
Noose and Garee, I understand about this vendetta you have against the Pentecostals. I am sorry if some have hurt you in the past. I am praying that God lets you overcome you hurt. Speaking against the gifts of the HS will not earn you any points with God. You are risking getting very far off track with God's word.
You misunderstand me and others, we are not against the gifts of the Holy spirit rather the claims that the things we are seeing today are from God:
2 Thess 2:9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. 11For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, ..
Q1. Are the signs mentioned in 2 Thess 2 things we can associate with God? NO
Q2. Can we say there are genuine signs and fake signs operating at the same time? NO, genuine signs ceased and the kingdom of God comes with NO OBSERVABLE signs.
Q3. Are many people deceived with this signs and is there an indication that many have fallen for it? Yes
Matt 7:
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
Many means many and since these people are not; Muslims/Hindus/Atheists/Satanists, we know they are so called Christians.
God sees death differently God sees all
Through the eternal.
His saints coming home is just that.
But they can not kill you till God says " bring him home"
Again,its multifaceted,not one dimemsional.
The death component is supposed to be integrated at salvation.
My life belongs to him.
The Father didn't change.
Heaven still looks like heaven
Jesus still has power
Miracles are normal for those operating in the gifts
There's no context that can reverse what has been said. If precious in the eyes of the Lord is the death of His saints then it is indeed precious in His eyes. You don't want it to be precious because it destroys the notion that God has appointed many believers in church to heal people against His own will (Psalms 116:15).
In-fact Jesus says the days of the elect is shortened here on earth, but to you it somehow means that the appointed healers can go about lengthening people's days here on earth.
Yeah,
We all know satan goes about healing people,preaching the Gospel,and leading them to Jesus.
Thats why people go to bars and clubs to get healed,saved,and hear satan praising God in tongues.
Oh wait,thats how you see charismatics,right?