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Here is Nigel Farage speaking to the EU the Morning after he announce that Britain would be leaving the EU
So why did Nigel Farage duck away from his responsibility to bring that to a satisfactory conclusion? Brexit has been a total disaster because no one in the UK has the guts to make it happen.

What should have happened immediately after the Referendum on Brexit in 2016 is that the government should have given the EU a 90 day notice, and then cut off all connections. Now it has been dragging on for over two years and there is no end in sight. Which means that the politicians in the UK prefer to dither (on just about everything).
 
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ARE YOU SAYING YOU THINK THE BOOK OF REVELATION, Zechariah especially Chapter 14, and portions of Jeremiah and Isaiah are just Parables ? ? ?

It so, you have a RUDE AWAKENING TO REALITY COMING.
I think its a wonderful awaking when the gospel is revealed in parables . Like finding a pearl of great price or finding enough honey to brighten one eyes of the heart walking by faith.

I just have a different bias when it comes to searching one out. Not a salvation issue .More what I call hearing the gospel hid from natural unconverted man.

I think without parables as signified language or poetic, Christ spoke not. If not, he would not have informed us that "without parables he spoke not".

I think the gospel is hid in parables. Parables can be historically true and yet give another understanding other than what the eye sees or the ears years. If a person is interested in looking for the mysteries, he can look at the signified language that God uses, using the things seen the temporal to help us discover the eternal not seen.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

Historical truth can be found if a person looks to the literal things seen Like the time period when there was Kings in Israel that was used as a parable for the time present. Or the exodus from Egypt. The gospel is revealed through those parables.
The main reason I believe there are so many differences in opinion especially in the book Revelation which is identified in the opening passage that not only inspired but also the Holy Spirit signified it. The whole book in one sense is one parable using the things seen to help us understand the hidden things.
 

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I think its a wonderful awaking when the gospel is revealed in parables . Like finding a pearl of great price or finding enough honey to brighten one eyes of the heart walking by faith.

I just have a different bias when it comes to searching one out. Not a salvation issue .More what I call hearing the gospel hid from natural unconverted man.

I think without parables as signified language or poetic, Christ spoke not. If not, he would not have informed us that "without parables he spoke not".

I think the gospel is hid in parables. Parables can be historically true and yet give another understanding other than what the eye sees or the ears years. If a person is interested in looking for the mysteries, he can look at the signified language that God uses, using the things seen the temporal to help us discover the eternal not seen.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

Historical truth can be found if a person looks to the literal things seen Like the time period when there was Kings in Israel that was used as a parable for the time present. Or the exodus from Egypt. The gospel is revealed through those parables.
The main reason I believe there are so many differences in opinion especially in the book Revelation which is identified in the opening passage that not only inspired but also the Holy Spirit signified it. The whole book in one sense is one parable using the things seen to help us understand the hidden things.
garee I dont say this to insult you but i say it in love:

Often times when I read your posts, I get the impression that almost everything is "floaty" or spiritual or immaterial to you. Or parables as in this case.

I want to ask did you arrive to these conclusions on yuor own, or did you learn this from someone? Because I would argue that if you give Zechariah to read to 20 people, all those 20 would come to similar conclusions if they take it at face value, and read it as it stands. But if you give it to those same 20 people and tell them its all allegories and parables, you would end up with people coming up with 20 diffferent interpretations.

I guess my question to you is: Can we get to the same conclusions as you have, by just reading the Scriptures, or do we need you or someone else to tell us what they mean?

I believe if you read the Scriptures "as they are" you would arrive close to the same conclusions as we(by we I mean premillennialists) have.
 

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I think there is both literal and spiritual applications of Revelation. I dont see why there ought to be a strict dichotomy, one side claiming its going to happen, and the other saying its already happened, well how about both at the same time...that what is happening is NOW and of eternity.

Johns revelation was a vision. The vision can be realised for each individual but Jesus gave it for the entire church in his name not just for John. The revelation was so we could prepare to meet our maker.

At the time Jesus gave warning to seven churches in the mediterranean. Why those particular seven churches? He specified the location and none of them was outside the mediterranean. Did he already return back personally for just those seven churches and if so, where is the thousand year kingdom. Remmeber this was over 2000 years ago. We are promised to rule and reign with CHrist. Anyone knows that the ones in power and in governance are politicians are the ones ruling and reigning over nations at present and most are not believers. If we are citizens of heavenly Jeruslaem, our entire identity will not be to our own countries, to presidents, prime ministers, emporeros, sultans, kings or queens. . There wouldnt be any such things as republics or kingdoms of this world. CJrist Kingdom is set to crush all the others so we will all be ONE to serve the Lord of Lord, King of Kings.

Anyone who is in governance or worked for a govt dept knows that the hardest part of the job is dealing with people...people that still sin. This is why we still have prisons, why we have cemetaries. Why our hospitals are filled with sick and dying people. We still need to deal with unrepenant hearts and attitudes, we can make all the rules and bylaws we want but nothing will change unless peoples hearts change.
 
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Often times when I read your posts, I get the impression that almost everything is "floaty" or spiritual or immaterial to you. Or parables as in this case.
Hi Thanks for the reply

It's not my goal to promote fuzzy wuzzy things but more hoping to help clarify or possibly give another understanding as an aid. The workings of parables as they were designed to.

Words according to the signified language in the Bible can have two meanings. One the literal witnessed by what is seen. and the other the unseen spiritual application, the metaphor. That can be seen in many parables throughout the scriptures

I think parables are designed to unlock the thing you call immaterial by giving us the unseen spiritual understanding. In that sense God uses floaty things like clouds to represent his unseen presence. We would beware the counterfeiter will grab them as tools to bring unbelief or blind the mind of. Like in Isaiah I will ascend to the clouds Every word must be tested in that way. Water can represent blood. Flesh can represent bread. Oil can represent Spirit .etc

Isaiah 14:14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

No matter what book or chapter we are looking at. The kingdom of God (not seen) as the Holy Place of God (the place of faith) does not come by the things seen the temporal but by the unseen eternal word. We walk with Him as an agreement of Him by which two can walk together yoked as one. He I would suggest gives us the desires of our new hearts that would desire to believe His word and perform the good pleasure of our God who works in us with us .

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with "observation":

I want to ask did you arrive to these conclusions on yuor own, or did you learn this from someone? Because I would argue that if you give Zechariah to read to 20 people, all those 20 would come to similar conclusions if they take it at face value, and read it as it stands. But if you give it to those same 20 people and tell them its all allegories and parables, you would end up with people coming up with 20 different interpretations.
The conclusion I do have as a bias and a hope of being open to other views is from reading different authors and listening to different voices as they offered their opinions on “how they heard the voice of God” Having that as a living hope of seeking His approval.

I did attend a denomination called a non-denominational church for approx. 30 years with similar teaching like John MacArthur or Chuck Swindle etc . It was there at that assembly I was attending I heard the gospel and developed a love for reading which 33 years prior had none. This was through the ministry of John an excellent gracious teacher sharing his own style of preaching encouraging other to walk by faith.

I spent time on a Catholic Protestant board and believe I learned from challenging their form of government a that I would call upside down and how they viewed the intriguing "law of faith" . And noticed it was a duplicate or carbon copy to the unbelieving first century Jew who did not believe in a invisible God but rather walked by sight as if the kingdom of God came by observation. For ten years I spoke to many different people and learned much from observing Catholicism to why the unbelieving Jew crucified the Christ in un belief. How the first century reformation again is a carbon copy to the fifteenth century reformation .just as in any reformation as it is written he the reforming restoring tool.

Parables get in the way of those who are hoping the meaning of the spiritual word does come by observing the temporal things seen.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corithians 4:18

I guess my question to you is: Can we get to the same conclusions as you have, by just reading the Scriptures, or do we need you or someone else to tell us what they mean?
I think you need to ask the Holy Spirit what he thinks?

I believe if you read the Scriptures "as they are" you would arrive close to the same conclusions as we(by we I mean premillennialists) have.

The Amil (no literal thousand years.) position works the best for me.If I would look at the thousand years as literal that parable would make no sense to me . The language is signified as we are informed in verse 1 Of revelation 1
 

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I think its a wonderful awaking when the gospel is revealed in parables . Like finding a pearl of great price or finding enough honey to brighten one eyes of the heart walking by faith.

I just have a different bias when it comes to searching one out. Not a salvation issue .More what I call hearing the gospel hid from natural unconverted man.

I think without parables as signified language or poetic, Christ spoke not. If not, he would not have informed us that "without parables he spoke not".

I think the gospel is hid in parables. Parables can be historically true and yet give another understanding other than what the eye sees or the ears years. If a person is interested in looking for the mysteries, he can look at the signified language that God uses, using the things seen the temporal to help us discover the eternal not seen.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

Historical truth can be found if a person looks to the literal things seen Like the time period when there was Kings in Israel that was used as a parable for the time present. Or the exodus from Egypt. The gospel is revealed through those parables.
The main reason I believe there are so many differences in opinion especially in the book Revelation which is identified in the opening passage that not only inspired but also the Holy Spirit signified it. The whole book in one sense is one parable using the things seen to help us understand the hidden things.

PROPHECY is as Much Historical FACT as if it has already happened, YET every thing from 4:1 on, is PROPHECY, and it will happen. Yes HE uses a lot o Symbolism, and once you understand the Symbolism, I VIEW IT AS WHAT WILL LITERALLY HAPPEN.

Perhaps, this verse will explain why you do not understand Revelation:


1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV)
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.


You have to be Born Again to understand the spiritual truths in the Book of Revelation.
 

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PROPHECY is as Much Historical FACT as if it has already happened, YET every thing from 4:1 on, is PROPHECY, and it will happen. Yes HE uses a lot o Symbolism, and once you understand the Symbolism, I VIEW IT AS WHAT WILL LITERALLY HAPPEN.

Perhaps, this verse will explain why you do not understand Revelation:

1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV)
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.


You have to be Born Again to understand the spiritual truths in the Book of Revelation.
wow.........

did you just call garee unsaved for having a different view of the book of revelation? one of the most open to interpretation books in the Bible?

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Often times when I read your posts, I get the impression that almost everything is "floaty" or spiritual or immaterial to you. Or parables as in this case.
Correct. Garee has been on a parabolic trajectory for a very long time. And the truth of the matter is that parables are a very small portion of Scripture.

The danger of making Scripture allegorical or parabolic or symbolic without a solid reason is that nothing can be taken as factual, literal, historical, and real. Origen (who is regarded as a heretic) specialized in making Scripture allegorical.
 

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wow.........

did you just call garee unsaved for having a different view of the book of revelation? one of the most open to interpretation books in the Bible?

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Not where I come from, the BIBLE BELT, of the USA. Every Evangelical, has almost the Identical interpretation, most baptists, and a wide variety of other Churches in America, have the same view. Prophecy is would GOD WILL DO, so it is as sure as if it has already happened. IT CERTAINLY IS NOT A PARABLE. It is a fact that the man that is for sure BORN AGAIN, does not have the tools to properly interpret prophetic verses. IT SAYS SO.
 

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wow.........

did you just call garee unsaved for having a different view of the book of revelation? one of the most open to interpretation books in the Bible?

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This is an idea how we teach.



 

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Not where I come from, the BIBLE BELT, of the USA. Every Evangelical, has almost the Identical interpretation, most baptists, and a wide variety of other Churches in America, have the same view. Prophecy is would GOD WILL DO, so it is as sure as if it has already happened. IT CERTAINLY IS NOT A PARABLE. It is a fact that the man that is for sure BORN AGAIN, does not have the tools to properly interpret prophetic verses. IT SAYS SO.
and thats the problem right there.

Just because its american and bible belt doesnt make it true.

In fact, America is responsible for spreading all kinds of junk theology all over the world. AND many cults like the JEhovah's falsewitnesses and Mormons.

So just because its american, dont make it right.

While I disagree with garee's interpretation I wouldnt call him unsaved for having a different view of it: I consider all amillennialists my brethren in Christ. Eschatology isnt something to divide over. And werent you saying there were saved catholics? They are amillennialists too, so why do they get a pass, but garee doesnt?
 
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PROPHECY is as Much Historical FACT as if it has already happened, YET every thing from 4:1 on, is PROPHECY, and it will happen. Yes HE uses a lot o Symbolism, and once you understand the Symbolism, I VIEW IT AS WHAT WILL LITERALLY HAPPEN.

Perhaps, this verse will explain why you do not understand Revelation:

1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV)
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.


You have to be Born Again to understand the spiritual truths in the Book of Revelation.
Hi Thanks for the reply

Yes born.

Like one poster offered the word of God is not subject to time restraints. There can be more that one meaning or level of understanding when searching for the gospel as the mysteries of God that He hid from natural man .

I think there is both literal and spiritual applications of Revelation. The information is the opening statement sets the pattern for the whole book .This is in so much that not only did the Holy Spirit bring his thoughts but also "signified it" .To signify language is to give a understanding using the things seen to reveal the unseen things of God. (the things of faith)

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Revelation 1:1

As to the outreach of this signified language seven is used to signify the perfect. The Spirit of God. Seven representing the perfect as to whatever is in view seven speaks of the whole Bride of Christ the church signified by 7 candle sticks. The Throne signifies the invisible reining presence of God ,Clouds are use that way or the Bosom of Abraham another metaphor used in parables.

John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; Revelation 1:4

I would think what you offered in 1 Corinthians 2:14 "he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

I would offer in order to understand the spiritual words that provide a spiritual understanding hid in parables, a person must compare the spiritual understanding to the spiritual or called faith to faith in Romans 1 . And not compare the literal to the literal as the temporal things seen as if the kingdom of God came by observation or walking by sight after the natural course of this world

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.1 Corinthians 2 :13

It would seem the gospel his hid revealing the spiritual understanding from faith (the unseen holy place of God to the same faith

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the" righteousness of God" revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.Roman 1:17
 

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and thats the problem right there.

Just because its american and bible belt doesnt make it true.

In fact, America is responsible for spreading all kinds of junk theology all over the world. AND many cults like the Jehovah's falsewitnesses and Mormons.

So just because its american, dont make it right.

While I disagree with garee's interpretation I wouldnt call him unsaved for having a different view of it: I consider all amillennialists my brethren in Christ. Eschatology isnt something to divide over. And werent you saying there were saved catholics? They are amillennialists too, so why do they get a pass, but garee doesnt?


We will be the FIRST to call Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Christian Scientists, the Unitarian Church, The New Age Church, Unity School of Christianity, certain branches of Yahweh Church, Unification Church, Oneness Pentecostal Church, Herbert W. Armstrong's World Wide Church of GOD, and many others, are Psuedo-christian Cult Churches.

Most of the Mainline Churches are Legitimate Christian Churches, and even the Catholics, and the Seventh Day Adventist are still Legitimate Churches, even though they are Borderline in their Theology.

I have never seen a person who thinks Prophecy is nothing but Parables that is Born Again.

I do not think he can explain Born Again.

I believe this portion of Scripture LITERALLY:

1 Corinthians 2:6-16 (NIV)
6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"--
10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.


That is IDENTICAL to the supposed Christians that JESUS POINTED OUT.


Matthew 7:13-23 (HCSB)
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad [All people on the Broad Road think they are Christians, no unbelievers in view on the Broad Road, just non-Born Again so-called Christians.] that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it.
14 How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.
[Those are Born Again Christians.]
15 “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
16 You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19 Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 On that day
many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
23 Then I will announce to them,
I never knew you! [The one who KNOW HIM are those who are Born Again.]
Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
 

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Hi Thanks for the reply

Yes born.

Like one poster offered the word of God is not subject to time restraints. There can be more that one meaning or level of understanding when searching for the gospel as the mysteries of God that He hid from natural man .

I think there is both literal and spiritual applications of Revelation. The information is the opening statement sets the pattern for the whole book .This is in so much that not only did the Holy Spirit bring his thoughts but also "signified it" .To signify language is to give a understanding using the things seen to reveal the unseen things of God. (the things of faith)

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Revelation 1:1

As to the outreach of this signified language seven is used to signify the perfect. The Spirit of God. Seven representing the perfect as to whatever is in view seven speaks of the whole Bride of Christ the church signified by 7 candle sticks. The Throne signifies the invisible reining presence of God ,Clouds are use that way or the Bosom of Abraham another metaphor used in parables.

John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; Revelation 1:4

I would think what you offered in 1 Corinthians 2:14 "he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

I would offer in order to understand the spiritual words that provide a spiritual understanding hid in parables, a person must compare the spiritual understanding to the spiritual or called faith to faith in Romans 1 . And not compare the literal to the literal as the temporal things seen as if the kingdom of God came by observation or walking by sight after the natural course of this world

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.1 Corinthians 2 :13

It would seem the gospel his hid revealing the spiritual understanding from faith (the unseen holy place of God to the same faith

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the" righteousness of God" revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.Roman 1:17

NOW, may I ask How you were Born Again, the specific circumstances ?

ALSO, are you SURE you use the SAME definition as I DO for the WORD PARABLES ?




MERRIAM-WEBSTER DICTIONARY

parable
noun
par·a·ble | \ ˈper-ə-bəl , ˈpa-rə-\
Definition of parable

: a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle, the Biblical parable of the Good Samaritanalso : something (such as a news story or a series of real events) likened to a parable in providing an instructive example or lessonIn some ways, his life is a parable of the corrupting effect of great wealth, for he always assumed that everyone was after his money and out to cheat him.— Gavin StampBy the summer of 2014, 380 House members and 74 senators had signed on as sponsors …. The ABLE Act had become a force. Yet in a parable of how Washington works, the bill still had a long way to go.— Gail Russell Chaddock
SynonymsDid You Know?More Example SentencesLearn More about parable
Synonyms for parable
Synonyms
allegory, apologue, fable
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allegory
noun
al·le·go·ry | \ ˈa-lə-ˌgȯr-ē \
plural allegories
Definition of allegory

1: the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existencea writer known for his use of allegoryalso : an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expressionThe poem is an allegory of love and jealousy.
2: a symbolic representation : EMBLEM sense 2
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prophecy
noun
proph·e·cy | \ ˈprä-fə-sē \
variants: or less commonly prophesy
plural prophecies also prophesies
Definition of prophecy

1: an inspired utterance of a prophet
2: the function or vocation of a prophetspecifically : the inspired declaration of divine will and purpose
3: a prediction of something to come
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NOW, may I ask How you were Born Again, the specific circumstances ?

ALSO, are you SURE you use the SAME definition as I DO for the WORD PARABLES ?




MERRIAM-WEBSTER DICTIONARY

parable
noun
par·a·ble | \ ˈper-ə-bəl , ˈpa-rə-\
Definition of parable

: a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle, the Biblical parable of the Good Samaritanalso : something (such as a news story or a series of real events) likened to a parable in providing an instructive example or lessonIn some ways, his life is a parable of the corrupting effect of great wealth, for he always assumed that everyone was after his money and out to cheat him.— Gavin StampBy the summer of 2014, 380 House members and 74 senators had signed on as sponsors …. The ABLE Act had become a force. Yet in a parable of how Washington works, the bill still had a long way to go.— Gail Russell Chaddock
SynonymsDid You Know?More Example SentencesLearn More about parable
Synonyms for parable
Synonyms
allegory, apologue, fable
Visit the Thesaurus for More
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MERRIAM-WEBSTER DICTIONARY

allegory
noun
al·le·go·ry | \ ˈa-lə-ˌgȯr-ē \
plural allegories
Definition of allegory

1: the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existencea writer known for his use of allegoryalso : an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expressionThe poem is an allegory of love and jealousy.
2: a symbolic representation : EMBLEM sense 2
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prophecy
noun
proph·e·cy | \ ˈprä-fə-sē \
variants: or less commonly prophesy
plural prophecies also prophesies
Definition of prophecy

1: an inspired utterance of a prophet
2: the function or vocation of a prophetspecifically : the inspired declaration of divine will and purpose
3: a prediction of something to come
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I was saved by hearing the gospel in respect to Christ's three day labor of His love, or called a work of faith .The gift I received was faith.. needed to believe god not seen previously having none.

In Romans 1 it is called faith to faith or believing God not seen, the same understanding that comes by what the scriptures says walking by that faith that does exclusively come from hearing God .

So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for "it is the power of God" unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.Romans1:15-17

I would add to what you offered in respect to parables. First and foremost we are informed by prophecy the word of God that without parables Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God our teacher, comforter and guide who also does bring to our minds the things he has taught us , spoke not without a parable.

In other words we should keep on guard or we could miss out on the spiritual application. Comparing the spiritual unseen to the same.( faith to faith)

In not doing so we could miss the purpose of the whole period of time as to what was performed when God temporally gave over the faithless Jews to install a king in Israel because of the jealousy coming from the Pagan nation again for a temporal time period . Hundred of years of history recorded accurately and hiding the understanding in that parable or figure for the time then present ..as a way of signifying.... using the things seen to give the understanding of things of God not seen . As if we guided according to 2 Corinthians 4:18. (Look to the temporal to find the unseen eternal understanding)

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time of reformation".

There are many examples that are historically true yet have another understanding that relates to the gospel of faith to faith .

Zion is used to describe the bride of Christ coming down from heaven prepared as Christ chaste virgin bride .Using the earthly Jerusalem as a pattern or parable as that seen to represent the unseen city the new heavenly Jerusalem .
 

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I was saved by hearing the gospel in respect to Christ's three day labor of His love, or called a work of faith. The gift I received was faith.. needed to believe god not seen previously having none.

In Romans 1 it is called faith to faith or believing God not seen, the same understanding that comes by what the scriptures says walking by that faith that does exclusively come from hearing God .

So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for "it is the power of God" unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.Romans1:15-17

I would add to what you offered in respect to parables. First and foremost we are informed by prophecy the word of God that without parables Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God our teacher, comforter and guide who also does bring to our minds the things he has taught us , spoke not without a parable.

In other words we should keep on guard or we could miss out on the spiritual application. Comparing the spiritual unseen to the same.( faith to faith)

In not doing so we could miss the purpose of the whole period of time as to what was performed when God temporally gave over the faithless Jews to install a king in Israel because of the jealousy coming from the Pagan nation again for a temporal time period . Hundred of years of history recorded accurately and hiding the understanding in that parable or figure for the time then present ..as a way of signifying.... using the things seen to give the understanding of things of God not seen . As if we guided according to 2 Corinthians 4:18. (Look to the temporal to find the unseen eternal understanding)

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time of reformation".

There are many examples that are historically true yet have another understanding that relates to the gospel of faith to faith .

Zion is used to describe the bride of Christ coming down from heaven prepared as Christ chaste virgin bride .Using the earthly Jerusalem as a pattern or parable as that seen to represent the unseen city the new heavenly Jerusalem .




What on earth is a: in respect to Christ's three day labor of His love, or called a work of faith . I have never heard that term.

And your explanation of Prophecy and Parables, is EVEN STRANGER than I originally thought.

Lets approach this differently, when you use a term, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT IT MEANS IN SIMPLE TERMS.

First of all, what TYPE of Church do you attend, and I am not asking for the name of the church, but the TYPE, such as Baptist, Lutheran, Evangelical, etc.

I am from a non-denominational, conservative evangelical Church. That means we believe the Teaching of the WORD should dominate our services. Our Pastor teaches the WORD for one hour, and the other parts of the service only last about 40 minutes. We do not ordain women, or make the music last longer than the sermon. Yes we use lots of modern music, and some hymns, that lasts about 20 minutes and the Prayers and the Announcements last about another 20 minutes.

Your response to how you were BORN AGAIN, was very vague, which leads me to believe you do not understand how to explain it.

Now I will give you a short explanation of HOW, I was BORN AGAIN.

I thought I was a Christian because I took up space in a pew in a Lutheran Church. Someone should have told me that Sitting on a pew did not make me a Christian and more than sitting in a Garage would make me a car. I did not realize that I did not know the first thing about becoming a GENUINE CHRISTIAN until something VERY TRAUMATIC happen to me when I was 29 years of age.

To make a long story short, I got married in June 1977, to the wrong woman, after we met 6 month before, at a beer party. Six months after that on Christmas Eve, she announce that she wanted a divorce "Because you cannot earn enough money to by me what I want in my life." Some reason right? I hit BOTTOM BIG TIME.

I has MAJOR depressions, and did not want to live to see another day. I did not care if I hurt may parents or my brother and sister, I just wanted to CEASE to exist, period. That Last week of 1977, I attempted suicide three times. The first two times, I has a pistol against my Temple, with the trigger half pulled. BOTH TIMES, had an OVER WHELMING shear TERROR over came me, because I thought death was like the SUICIDE that I thought it would be, just CEASING TO EXIST. I was in the GATES OF HADES, about to WALK INTO IT. THAT TERROR shook me to the very core of my being.

I got as drunk as I could two nights later, and after 1:00 in the morning, I WENT OUT TO ARRANGE A FATAL MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT. I saw that afternoon they were POURING loose gravel on a dirt road, and knew the most dangerous surface to ride a dirt bike, was on LOSE GRAVEL. I am more ashamed of what I did next, but I actually TAUNTED GOD "If You want me, You me You can take me anywhere You want to on this MILE." I cranked the THROTTLE wide open, and I deliberately left my helmet at home, LEANED OUT OVER THE HANDLE BARS to ensure I hit head first, and kept that THROTTLE WIDE OPEN.


I hit the end of that mile, and NOTHING HAD HAPPENED, in fact it was as smooth as if I had been riding on PAVEMENT. I slowly went Home, and sat up thinking about what had happened, and sobered up, and about 5:00 in the Morning, I walked to my Bedroom. As I entered the Bedroom, I realized, "I CANNOT RIDE A BIKE LIKE THAT, EVEN SOBER." I realized that GOD had to have reached down, grabbed a hold of that bike, and SAID, "NO YOU DON'T, I GOT A PLAN FOR YOUR LIFE." Instantly wave after wave of tremendous GUILT FOR MY WHOLE LIFE, as I CRIED LIKE A BABY, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, and started continually pleading, "FORGIVE ME, FORGIVE ME!"
I kept repeating that begging for forgiveness, as I continued in my deep remorse, for about an hour. About halfway through, I went Prostrate, still crying for Forgiveness.

Then some thing strange happen to me, whether it was a Vision or I fell asleep, I do not know, but if it was a DREAM, IT WAS THE MOST VIVID DREAM THAT I HAVE EVER HAD. I found myself at the FOOT of the CROSS, on my KNEES, looking up at HIM, while I continued to CRY, "FORGIVE ME, FORGIVE ME!", as I reach up towards HIM. I noticed the Nails were through His wrists, and NO CHURCH had said that the JEWS consider the Wrist to be PART OF THE HAND. I noticed blood began to drip from the Nails through HIS Wrists. It fell on Both of my Forearms, and it was a SURPRISE to me, because it was still WARM. In that Instant, I KNEW, FOR SURE, HE has Forgiven me! And the Vision or Dream ended.

YES, IN ME WAS A CHANGE, I LOVED HIM MUCH DEEPER AND PERSONAL THAN EVER BEFORE. The Holy Spirit was IN ME, and HE Birthed my Human Spirit into ETERNAL LIFE. HE obviously had POURED GOD's LOVE in my HEART. He soon put a HUNGER FOR THE WORD OF GOD to be taught to me, and I WAS AS HAPPY AS I HAVE EVER BEEN. I TRUSTED HIM TOTALLY, I KNEW HE HAD A PLAN FOR MY LIFE. HE OPENED ALL THE DOORS, AND I WAS JUST WALKING THROUGH THEM. AND ON TOP of all that, HE caused a GODLY WOMAN to come into My life. We were married about a Year and a half later, and we kept HIM first and foremost in our lives, and each other second. We were blessed with 36.5 Years of Marriage, before HE called her home, to be with HIM.






 
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TECHNOLOGY NEEDED TO FULFILL THE MARK OF THE BEAST





No 666 is not a symbol, it is only a number that identifies a man, IT SAYS SO, read it again.

In other words it is similar to our Social Security numbers. Only this one will be three groups of 6 digits. Henry Kissenger invented such a EMERGENCY plan in the late 90s, in case the perceived Y2K world wide banking crash actually happened. Since it is the computer age, it probably will be a number imbedded in a very small microchip or biochip as they want to call those designed for humans. They are already testing the (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices in humans in Florida. In particular, for Seniors with Alzheimer's to store their health records on. Instead of the chip that was about twice the size of a grain of rice, like the one in my dog's neck; they have now shrunk the RFID down to not a whole lot bigger than a grain of salt. I posted the following on another site a couple years ago, so the technology is even more advanced now. I added two links at the bottom very recently, in fact that second to the bottom link was dated 20 Nov. 2013 and has a picture of the world's fastest super computer, which doubled the size and speed of the previous record holder. Those two links show that the world really does computers big enough and fast enough acomodate all the worlds bank accounts, and the fact that RFID readers are already starting to show up in stores, should make us sit up and take notice that the stage is set and the time could be very near.






WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST



The most likely thing the Mark of the Beast could be is a biochip implant, because of the Biblical statement that one will not be able to buy or sell anything without it. They currently have built into them up to a 15 digit ID numbering system. It will not surprise me, (if the Church is still here), when the Antichrist comes to power as the Head of State of the old Roman Empire; that he averts a world wide economic collapse by converting all of the worlds monitary systems and bank accounts to function like credit cards in the form of these implanted biochips. AND watch him add a number to all three hyphenated groups of numbers stored in those Biochip IDs, such as: 123456-123456-123456. Hence his number will be 666 (6 digits dash 6 digits dash 6 digits). Also some of the Techs working on these super computers that they believe we are going to need in the near future, have jokingly referred to their super computers as the "beast"; but I am not laughing.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSmr-yuLLr4

http://www.wanttoknow.info/microchipimplants
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=21944

http://www.engineering.com/Designer...ID/6676/Tianhe-2-Tops-Supercomputer-List.aspx

it is all sooo much simpler then this.
666 has been in front of your face all along.

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the eye of providence is made up of an equilateral triangle. All three angles of an equilateral triangle are equal 60 degree angles. this gives you 60, 60, and 60.

drop the zero's because zero has no numerical value and you have 666.

take a look at the 1 dollar bill. the novus ordo seclorum is the kingdom of antichrist and the eye of providence is the antichrist.

want to know more? message me.
 

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it is all sooo much simpler then this.
666 has been in front of your face all along.



the eye of providence is made up of an equilateral triangle. All three angles of an equilateral triangle are equal 60 degree angles. this gives you 60, 60, and 60.

drop the zero's because zero has no numerical value and you have 666.

take a look at the 1 dollar bill. the novus ordo seclorum is the kingdom of antichrist and the eye of providence is the antichrist.

want to know more? message me.
Except of course, its the mark of a man. not eye.