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mailmandan

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Does anyone here disagree though?

I agree, those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom. Thats what it says. Doesnt it?
What Paul said in Galatians 5:19-21 is true, yet JPT misinterprets this passage of scripture to teach that those who practice sin and will not inherit the kingdom of God includes those who are born of God, in contradiction to 1 John 3:9 (NASB)
 
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Then they are not born again and are not Christian.

If they claim to be born again but have no interest in changing, even after being corrected per Romans 5-6 then it's the Holy Spirit in them?

Paul is speaking to the Church at Galatia.


He is exhorting them to walk in the Spirit, so that they do not practice and fulfill the works of the flesh.


I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:16-21


How can unbelievers who do not have the Spirit, walk in the Spirit?





JPT
 

Argueless

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Start being honest and don't come back...you were banned once and are breaking the rules.....how does that help your self saving dogma?
Can you see through your computer who your talking to, what's in their hearts and what their doing? Maybe you should humble down. (See Philippians 2:1-11)

The only deceiver on this post is the one posting in bolded.......^^^^^ nothing but a false working for dogma......

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Wrong. Everyone knows that DECEIVERS are LIARS as it is written;

.. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6

But for you and your group, even lieing to the Holy Spirit is acceptable because you are OSAS.

...The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. Timothy 4:1-2
It seems like even lieing to the Holy Spirit is allowed in your OSAS group.

Here's what the bible says;

...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

You have just exposed the true colors of OSAS believers and I see those who agreed with you.

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.Ephesians 5:6

...And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. Romans 13:11
 
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Can you see through your computer who your talking to, what's in their hearts and what their doing? Maybe you should humble down. (See Philippians 2:1-11)

The only deceiver on this post is the one posting in bolded.......^^^^^ nothing but a false working for dogma......

Argueless quote:
Wrong. Everyone knows that DECEIVERS are LIARS as it is written;

.. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6

But for you and your group, even lieing to the Holy Spirit is acceptable because you are OSAS.

...The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. Timothy 4:1-2
Yes or NO.....are you Seoche which was banned......
 
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Saved by faith through grace. Not by works..

This ain't rocket science, folks..

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AMEN Blue.......the simplicity found in Christ.....and then twisted......by more than a handful on this site......also Twisting Galatians to say something it does not say..........it is tragic how Paul can write to saved people and discuss LOST people and how they live and or how the saved used to live and then it get twisted to say that saved people can lose salvation by applying the words that are directed at lost people unto the saved.......some of these views make me want to spew!
 

blue_ladybug

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AMEN Blue.......the simplicity found in Christ.....and then twisted......by more than a handful on this site......also Twisting Galatians to say something it does not say..........it is tragic how Paul can write to saved people and discuss LOST people and how they live and or how the saved used to live and then it get twisted to say that saved people can lose salvation by applying the words that are directed at lost people unto the saved.......some of these views make me want to spew![/QUOTE]

I have an emoji for that.. lol

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Argueless

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You and your group say the same things. You all believe that even lieing to the Holy Spirit will still save you.
 
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Saved by faith through grace. Not by works..

This ain't rocket science, folks..
But people try to sneak in works thru the backdoor by saying, "But if you don't show works after you are saved, then that faith is dead, and you are not REALLY saved. :)
 

Argueless

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1 John 2:3-6 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
NOBODY here is gonna bother to read your wall of text.. ^^^ :rolleyes:

And who exactly is "you all"??
The Children of the Devil
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” John 8:42-47

Quote: And who exactly is "you all"??

Jesus said...

...He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you HYPOCRITES; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:6-13
 

stonesoffire

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The phrase I’m referring to is “inherit the kingdom of God” or “will not inherit the kingdom of God”.



Those Christians who have the ability to walk according to the Spirit, because they are born again and have the Holy Spirit, but instead, they practice the works of the flesh, and walk according to the sinful desires of the flesh, will not inherit the kingdom of God.


I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:16-21



  • those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.




JPT
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

And I'm talking about authority and power here now. I looked up the definitions and posted what I found. So don't believe me, look for yourself.
 

stonesoffire

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You can make up whatever you want.

You can explain away the truth.

You can mock me.

You can call me names.

NOTHING WILL CJANGE THE TRUTH.

The meaning of the phrase “will not inherit the kingdom of God” does not change.


Those who do not inherit the kingdom of God are cursed and are cast into the everlad



Christians who do not inherit the kingdom of God have no part or place in God’s kingdom.



Nothing you say or do will change the meaning of the words of Jesus Christ.



Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:34



“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41




JPT
Again....a different period of time from the first scripture you are using. Both speak of dominion, but one is for now.....and mostly those with an office, though God uses any He chooses. The other is when Jesus appoints positions to those He chooses to rule with Him in the new earth and heavens.
 

stonesoffire

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JPT

For your interpretation of kingdom of God, it's really should read kingdom of heaven. They are two different places.


Also, I made a mistake on post 83019. It should be kingdom of God, not inherit the kingdom.