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How about we are saved by Grace alone through faith alone to the glory of GOD alone.
But grace is not alone because faith is also present. Faith is not alone because grace is also present. Grace and faith at work in a person's life will produce works. Salvation is a complicated matter (and yet profoundly simple) and cannot be explained by just one
word!
To the glory of God alone - No quibble with that - unless I argue that God is not alone because He is a Trinity!
I don't like to be labeled either . . . probably no one likes to be labeled . . .
So people call me "Arminian" and I don't like the label. I see you as a one point Calvinist and you don't like the label.
So then as you say we will only adhere to the points that are made in Scripture. Wonderful! Now you and I both believe the same thing because it is very clear what Scripture teaches . . .
probably no one likes to be labeled . . .So people call me "Arminian" and I don't like the label. I see you as a one point Calvinist and you don't like the label.
So then as you say we will only adhere to the points that are made in Scripture. Wonderful! Now you and I both believe the same thing because it is very clear what Scripture teaches . . .
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That does have a nice ring to it, I agree.
But grace is not alone because faith is also present. Faith is not alone because grace is also present. Grace and faith at work in a person's life will produce works. Salvation is a complicated matter (and yet profoundly simple) and cannot be explained by just one
word!
To the glory of God alone - No quibble with that - unless I argue that God is not alone because He is a Trinity!
But grace is not alone because faith is also present. Faith is not alone because grace is also present. Grace and faith at work in a person's life will produce works. Salvation is a complicated matter (and yet profoundly simple) and cannot be explained by just one
word!
To the glory of God alone - No quibble with that - unless I argue that God is not alone because He is a Trinity!
For the rest of the churches, grace through faith allows people to rule that out, without relying on limited atonement concept.
.The faith of Christ that worked in him was the work of God by which he could believe God. Previously having none.(faith)
Mankind is born faithless separated from a God who has no form . The gift of God according to the three day labor of His love is not of our own self, again having no faith to begin with .Faith is the gift
God does not work without faith.( Believing something will happen that he hoped would.)
The thief was not saved by his own faith (he had none)as a work but was saved of the work of the faith of Christ. It worked giving the thief the faith needed to believe God.
Now when the other person heard the same words of Christ he did not believe . Will his unbeif make the faith by which the thief believed without effect?
Mankind is born faithless separated from a God who has no form . The gift of God according to the three day labor of His love is not of our own self, again having no faith to begin with .Faith is the gift
God does not work without faith.( Believing something will happen that he hoped would.)
The thief was not saved by his own faith (he had none)as a work but was saved of the work of the faith of Christ. It worked giving the thief the faith needed to believe God.
Now when the other person heard the same words of Christ he did not believe . Will his unbeif make the faith by which the thief believed without effect?
S
If you believe your works equal Jesus' works, you are a very foolish person.
Your post seems to suggest that our/your works must equal His or we are not saved.
Any good works I do are because I am saved, the Holy Spirit dwells within me, leads me, and directs me, and have nothing to do with obtaining or maintaining salvation.
Your post seems to suggest that our/your works must equal His or we are not saved.
Any good works I do are because I am saved, the Holy Spirit dwells within me, leads me, and directs me, and have nothing to do with obtaining or maintaining salvation.
J
makes no difference what i think, i am not the example to follow.
Jesus had works, do we follow that example yes or no.
IMO we dont use "salvation" as a green light to pick apart the bible, this teaching is for salvation, this teaching is not so lets ignore it. if Jesus taught it maybe its relevant.
Jesus had works, do we follow that example yes or no.
IMO we dont use "salvation" as a green light to pick apart the bible, this teaching is for salvation, this teaching is not so lets ignore it. if Jesus taught it maybe its relevant.
Not just a seal, but He has given us a new nature, His nature...
Romans 8:15-16 KJV
[15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. [16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
2 Corinthians 5:17-18 KJV
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. [18] And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
Romans 8:15-16 KJV
[15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. [16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
2 Corinthians 5:17-18 KJV
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. [18] And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
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Why does the Scripture plainly state that we are waiting for the redemption of our bodies? If they've been redeemed, they would be sinless. Our bodies are still corrupt, mortal. Are we waiting for the adoption or not?
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
1 Corinthians 15
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
The adoption, the redemption of our bodies is the destination for all believers in Christ. It has not happened yet. We are predestined for it.
Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Brother, our destination is to be conformed to the image of Christ. This happens at the adoption when our bodies are redeemed, changed, and fashioned like unto His glorious body. Incorrupt, immortal bodies we will have for eternity. This event occurs at the rapture of the church.
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
1 Corinthians 15
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
The adoption, the redemption of our bodies is the destination for all believers in Christ. It has not happened yet. We are predestined for it.
Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Brother, our destination is to be conformed to the image of Christ. This happens at the adoption when our bodies are redeemed, changed, and fashioned like unto His glorious body. Incorrupt, immortal bodies we will have for eternity. This event occurs at the rapture of the church.
Salvation has been secured by Jesus.. But only those who accept the Gift of salvation will have it.. we must believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured for us and hold onto that Belief and Trust unto death.. Jesus does not force us to stay in Him.. People can and sometimes do fall away into unbelief..
Believing something and trusting something is not a Works..
They are not works of religion..
They are not good works..
They are not works of sin avoidance..
Believing something and trusting something is not a Works..
They are not works of religion..
They are not good works..
They are not works of sin avoidance..
I never said that those who have the Faith will have no Works.. If one believes Jesus one will believe it is good to do good Works and will do them... Not out of the desire to earn Salvation but simply because of the love of the truth of Jesus and the love of ones neighbor..
What i am saying that all the good works of the saved are a joy for God they play no part in us being saved.. Our salvation is exclusively from believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement He secured for our salvation..
So yeah if you hear of or see someone who claims to be a believer but has No good works then they are fakes because they do not really believe Jesus..
What i am saying that all the good works of the saved are a joy for God they play no part in us being saved.. Our salvation is exclusively from believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement He secured for our salvation..
So yeah if you hear of or see someone who claims to be a believer but has No good works then they are fakes because they do not really believe Jesus..