That's pretty heavy-handed.
What became of the transformed person you were glowing about earlier?
Now you want an apology, or I'm a liar? (maybe you should apologize instead)
Calling me out? Seriously? Get over yourself. Like you said, "Let's go no further."
Here's what I actually said:
"Unless I misunderstood, you seem to be promoting the works of the law. Even calling those who don't agree "works-aphobics". "
You're right, I thought about this a lot last night and I should apologize. I could have come at it a lot more collected and found myself doing the same thing I was accusing others of and I do apologize. I truly don't want to be divisive, so I sincerely apologize.
That said, I just take this very seriously, it is literally life and death, and I couldn't be more clearly against works for, to get, to maintain, or anything to pay for salvation. It is a free gift by His grace and ONLY through His Son Jesus the Christ. We cannot give the Creator of everything anything, period, point blank, take it to the bank. I proclaim boldly and loudly that it is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
With that said, and all due respect and a better tone, I see you had to kind of back peddle on what you said and get "offended" and still kind of bail out. You can't produce anything I said as "works based salvation", at all brother because I do not believe that. I'm not even taking about salvation. I'm moving to the next chapter, what happens after I'm saved, see. Also worth noting that you either will not, or can not answer a single question I ask, not one, why?
You did misunderstand me though, and honestly by saying "Unless I misunderstood, you seem to be promoting the works of the law. Even calling those who don't agree "works-aphobics". were you not in fact "calling me out"? Admittedly not as over aggressively, and thank you for that, but I am so serious about this, can you understand even a little? I am
not "promoting the works of the law", I am promoting "the power of Jesus to change men", see the difference? You very much did misunderstand me, and honestly I don't know how and that's why I "demanded" a quote to back up your "unless". If you go back and read what I wrote you can see where I very clearly state this, what I will talk about, and that seems to offend so many, is what happens AFTER we are saved. I now do things I would have never done before I was reborn. I know it's different for each individual, but you have to understand for me it was an overnight complete transformation. Here's the quote-
I agree and it's (salvation) not a matter of grabbing a list of commandments and forcing yourself in fear to uphold them. This is what being reborn of the Spirit is all about, but we are told by Jesus, that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. When this happens the old us is crucified with Christ and we are made ALL NEW creatures. He changes our natures, the old man that could NOT please God is put to death and you are, by His grace, made all new, the "new man", if you will, now born of the Spirit and forever changed. I agree with the OP that Jesus with lose NONE the Father gives Him, I also agree that the "they" (whoever this "they is, "they" are never named) in the OP that save salvation is somehow maintained by works, well I agree that is dead wrong, I can't recall seeing anyone make that argument before honestly.
I do however run into people that can seem to understand the concept "works are evidence of my salvation", as in a result of the salvation given to me by His grace. Be cause I am a "whole NEW creature", the things I do in His name, the things I NEVER would have done before when I was the old man in the flesh, these things are works, and God gets ALL the glory for them because of this. For those of the Spirit this is crystal clear, but I am baffled by the resistance I have run into proclaiming this truth. A bunch of "work-a-phobics" I guess. Anyway I don't think I'm far off, here are a few verses to make my point.
I said "work-a-phobics" to describe those who take what I said here, that BY GRACE God changes us, and I am made new, so the "new" things I now do differently, I do because God changed me, He get the glory, and I get to glorify Him. The "work-a-phobics" thing is when someone takes this and just because I proclaim I now do things for the Lord
as a result of salvation, that, unless they misunderstood, "seem to be promoting the works of the law".
I wasn't raised in the church, nor was this taught to me by men, in fact I went to church later in life, repeated the prayer, was dunked under water and declared "saved", and was not saved. God granted me repentance and I woke up a new man, in a radical way overnight, and I will proclaim it as He commanded me to. So when anyone is "unless I misunderstooding" me in a way that is a flat out heresy, and 180* opposite of what I am clearly trying to say in this way, I got over emotional and passionate and text being the worst place to do that, I acted wrong and not in a loving uniting way at all, and I'm actually ashamed of that. I am truly sorry, and you're right. I hope this helps explain my position, and more than that help you see that I do want to come together, recognize I was not doing that yesterday.
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