Praying in Tongues

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Maybe you should boast in Christ because you do not understand .

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I'm not the aunthenticator of what God does but at least i can boast that i understand what is being said here.

The mysteries are to men, not God and of course if you babble in front of me, it is mystery to me. You can only love God by loving others, there's no such thing as loving and speaking directly to God while speaking mysteries to fellow men. If you speak mysteries to me, you do not love me and don't fool yourself for a minute by thinking that you love God. You have to love me (others) and speak things that i will understand (my edification), and only in this way will you be showing love to God.

You have no grasp of what Paul is saying here.

Q. How is self edification not self seeking?

I do not babble . you are trying to say that love is agreeing with you? your understanding of 1cor 13 is way off line. Paul was not saying at all "loving and speaking directly to God while speaking mysteries to fellow men.

"If you speak mysteries to me, you do not love me and don't fool yourself for a minute by thinking that you love God. "


1cor 13 is instructing the church that operation and use of the gifts are not self-serving and the motivation to use them is for the betterment of all. That is what 1cor chapter 12 says the gifts are for. Your humanist understanding that caused you to think if ones speak mysteries to you, and there is no understanding to you the hearer it is not showing you love, I would agree IF verse 5 were not written. That is why tongues have to be interpreted. Then is does edify exhort and comfort . as 1cor 14 states.

 

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I think it is very clear from what you have quoted. The theme is edify others and not self and tongues are to used to edify others and not self.
And there is such thing as using meaningless words to God and believe that you are asking God to edify another person. You do not know what you are saying in the first place.

the theme is the Use of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit starting in 1cor chapter 12 ending in chapter 14.

 

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Self edification/self seeking.

The word self already distances you from Love and if you are far from Love, you can not claim God is working in you.
Tongues and any other gifts are never for self but others.
So no prayer language/ no self edification/ no meaningless words that others can not understand. Futility.

 

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Who is or was they and them and what was being confirmed ?

They would be ALL who believe, which would be you and I and every other person who was given the right to become children of God!

 

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I do not babble . you are trying to say that love is agreeing with you? your understanding of 1cor 13 is way off line. Paul was not saying at all "loving and speaking directly to God while speaking mysteries to fellow men.

"If you speak mysteries to me, you do not love me and don't fool yourself for a minute by thinking that you love God. "


1cor 13 is instructing the church that operation and use of the gifts are not self-serving and the motivation to use them is for the betterment of all. That is what 1cor chapter 12 says the gifts are for. Your humanist understanding that caused you to think if ones speak mysteries to you, and there is no understanding to you the hearer it is not showing you love, I would agree IF verse 5 were not written. That is why tongues have to be interpreted. Then is does edify exhort and comfort . as 1cor 14 states.

Exactly. Tongues were to edify others and never self.
How is self edification not self seeking?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the disciples who are the "they" and "them" today that is the application to the context of the passage.

Mark 16: 15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons;they will speak with new tongues; 18 they[e] will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
That is just talking about disciples????

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the disciples who are the "they" and "them" today that is the application to the context of the passage.

Really?

The disciples job was go to preach to all nations

The context is the signs will follow,those who believe in the disciples teaching

 

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the theme is the Use of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit starting in 1cor chapter 12 ending in chapter 14.[/QUOTE]
No, the theme is correct use of gifts. Self seeking/self edification was being condemned and not commended

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The evidence of things unseen hoped for by faith (the unseen) .

Signs found in the parable below (Mark 16:17-19) are that which follows. Like a sign that says you have left the State of Kansas .or Dorothy, you are no longer in Kansas .

Signs follow those who believe...………. not cause them to believe.

Mark 16:17-19 King James Version (KJV) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Everyone of the 4 signs above are used as a metaphor to show the gospel was heard and a person has become a new creature. The spiritual understanding must be searched out or the gospel will not be heard.

They are not sign that leads .Prophecy is that which leads giving us a living hope . The law in respect to sign applies every time a sign is shown. Prophecy no outward sign for those who believe. Signs again for those who believe not the word of God prophecy (no faith)

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them "that believe", but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21-22

No matter which way it is turned it remains upside down... "yet for all that will they not hear" a sign that they refuse to hear prophecy as believing the word of God.

Mark says (if he really said it) that THEY will do those things, he did not say they MIGHT do those things, it is all inclusive is it not?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL is that not the pot calling the kettle black. You change 1cor 14:2 to mean self -edification when is states "

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. You failed to read on as most do.

verse :3 "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

Verse :4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

verse :5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

FYI speaking to God edify that person , you should try it sometime. God will speak to us as HE did then.

So me speaking to God in some tongue i can not understand and thus not knowing what was even prayed, will edify me more than me speaking to god in my own tongue and seeing Gods answer my prayer?

 

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Exactly. Tongues were to edify others and never self.
How is self edification not self seeking?

you have an issue with 1cor 14:2-5

 

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Really?

The disciples job was go to preach to all nations

The context is the signs will follow,those who believe in the disciples teaching

hey guy please remember you and I do not talk the word of God anymore. make your questions to someone else thank you.

 

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So me speaking to God in some tongue i can not understand and thus not knowing what was even prayed, will edify me more than me speaking to god in my own tongue and seeing Gods answer my prayer?

again read 1cor chapter 12 to 14 and leave me out of your questioning it is better for you and me that way. thank you again

 

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Mark 16: 15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons;they will speak with new tongues; 18 they[e] will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
That is just talking about disciples????

again last time thank you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

hey guy please remember you and I do not talk the word of God anymore. make your questions to someone else thank you.

I am asking you because you claimed it was different, so can you shiw me, and others how it is different?

So can you answer or not?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

again read 1cor chapter 12 to 14 and leave me out of your questioning it is better for you and me that way. thank you again

I did, and i agree with you as to what paul said, but i asked you a question, can you answer? Paul did not answer my question can you?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

again last time thank you

No thank you

You made a statement, i am questioning your statement, can you answer me or not?

 

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I am asking you because you claimed it was different, so can you shiw me, and others how it is different?

So can you answer or not?

due your issue with me in the past I am not going to respond to you on topics. thank you.

 

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I did, and i agree with you as to what paul said, but i asked you a question, can you answer? Paul did not answer my question can you?

I am not looking to answer your questions as I have said you in the past and I do not need to converse here.

 

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No thank you

You made a statement, i am questioning your statement, can you answer me or not?

then i will take care of this in another way.