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In John 19:30, we read that after Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” (which means our sin debt has been paid in full). In Romans 3:24, we read the believers are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. You don't need the words -- "finished work of Christ" specifically spelled out in the Bible in order to figure this out. We are to believe/trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (Romans 1:16)
In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, we read - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. *His finished work of redemption is summed up in the gospel and is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed.
In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, we read - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. *His finished work of redemption is summed up in the gospel and is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed.
Do you acknowledge Jesus as Lord who came in the flesh and taught regarding eternal life?
If you really trust and believe Jesus, do you acknowledge His teachings such as the ff:
...Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” Matthew 19:16-30
...He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:6-13
...“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
...Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:18-20
...“As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” John 12:47-50 ...and many more.
Can you acknowledge and humbly receive them as true teachings of the Lord you claim to trust and believe without any mistranslations?
There is a picture of 3 cardinals standing behind the POPE, they are ALL in black with purple sashes aligned to look like each one has a letter of the Hebrew alphabet on his robe.....lined up they = 666.....it has been a while since I seen the picture, but seemed rather obvious.........in yellow is what it looked like in the picture....
Hidden secret Meanings to the 666, are pure hogwash. Henry Kissinger designed an emergency I.D. number, back when they thought the YEAR 2000, would wreck all computer systems useless for some time. That I.D. Number was then 5 digits - 5 digits - 5 digits, and everyone would be given separate I.D. Number in the USA and Australia. The first 5 digits would be the town you live in - the second five digits would be your front door, and the third 5 digits would be the I.D. within that House. For that to work world wide you would have to add a digit to each of those three groups of numbers, and then EVERY INDIVIDUALS ECONOMIES could be controlled by a single Super Computer. And those three groups of numbers would be: 6 digits - 6 digits - 6 digits, the equivalent of a world wide Social Security Number. Why look for a Secret Code, when the ANSWER is as plain as DAY. A RFID CHIP in the back of your right hand of forehead.
Revelation 13:18 (HCSB)
18 Here is wisdom: The one who has understanding must calculate the number of the beast, because it is the number of a man. His number is 666.
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Thanks for the reply,
1) So, am I correct that your answer is: Yes he's praying to himself
2) I'm still unclear as to you answer: Jesus states in the verse the Father is greater then he. Is the Father greater or not?
3 & 4) You answer is Yes, So, he came from himself & returned to himself.
5) The verse disagrees with your answer. Reread the vs: After he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God. He sits at the right hand NOT NEXT to himself.
6) You said; Does the LAMB described SOUND like JESUS or do you suppose it is a REPRESENTATION of CHRIST in HEAVEN
I say absolutely not! Read the God breathed scripture:
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Vs 5 NO SYMBOLIC REPRENSATION. The Lion of the tribe of Juda, the ROOT of David
VS 6 The Lamb, I found 29 references to the Lamb in Revelation ALL WERE ABOUT CHRIST
VS 7 The Lion of the tribe of Juda, the ROOT of David, the Lamb, the same one that sits down next to the One on the heavenly throne. Here the Lamb takes the book from the right hand of the one sitting on the throne.
Again, I thank you for the reply. I disagree with ALL your answers. No harm no foul, the Apostles had disagreements. And still managed to love one another.
Your last question: Quote: "DO you think GOD is limited to one place at one time" YES! I do. However, I don't believe it's applicable to Rev 5:7.
1) So, am I correct that your answer is: Yes he's praying to himself
2) I'm still unclear as to you answer: Jesus states in the verse the Father is greater then he. Is the Father greater or not?
3 & 4) You answer is Yes, So, he came from himself & returned to himself.
5) The verse disagrees with your answer. Reread the vs: After he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God. He sits at the right hand NOT NEXT to himself.
6) You said; Does the LAMB described SOUND like JESUS or do you suppose it is a REPRESENTATION of CHRIST in HEAVEN
I say absolutely not! Read the God breathed scripture:
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Vs 5 NO SYMBOLIC REPRENSATION. The Lion of the tribe of Juda, the ROOT of David
VS 6 The Lamb, I found 29 references to the Lamb in Revelation ALL WERE ABOUT CHRIST
VS 7 The Lion of the tribe of Juda, the ROOT of David, the Lamb, the same one that sits down next to the One on the heavenly throne. Here the Lamb takes the book from the right hand of the one sitting on the throne.
Again, I thank you for the reply. I disagree with ALL your answers. No harm no foul, the Apostles had disagreements. And still managed to love one another.
Your last question: Quote: "DO you think GOD is limited to one place at one time" YES! I do. However, I don't believe it's applicable to Rev 5:7.
There is a picture of 3 cardinals standing behind the POPE, they are ALL in black with purple sashes aligned to look like each one has a letter of the Hebrew alphabet on his robe.....lined up they = 666.....it has been a while since I seen the picture, but seemed rather obvious.........in yellow is what it looked like in the picture....
You can get so defensive, oh my. WHY ? ? ? No, I just reposted a THREAD that I did Years ago, long before I ever knew you were ANTI-CATHOLIC, in fact I think it was on Bible-Disucussion.com, before I came HERE. My opinion is about 666 has not changed for Decades.
Here is the Thread that I restarted here:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/are-we-there-yet-666.182554/
Two Kinds of Wisdom
...Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 3:13-18
...Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 3:13-18
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I saw this in the thread, and it occurred to me just today that if one believes in "limited atonement" then one basically has to lie to people when they tell them that Christ Jesus died for their sin?
It could be a lie since there is a good chance that Christ Jesus did not die for their sins?
Am I missing something?
It could be a lie since there is a good chance that Christ Jesus did not die for their sins?
Am I missing something?
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This is what happens when a person is involved with this RC system they become blinded to the evil.
The Catholic institution is completely occultic, Egyptian mystery religions nonsense at its core, they have many mysteries and secrets.
Sadly many of the churches from the Reformation really have not divested themselves from Augustinian heresy.
No one, but no one, should be defending this institution
Here is one more piece of evidence
Transubstantiation (Communion)
In the Catholic Church, the Mass is heralded as the transubstantiation, or unbloody sacrifice, where small, thin, round wafers are eaten. The Babylonians worshipped Baal in the same way, using the small, thin, round wafers as a symbol of the sun god. The letters on the wafer, I.H.S., supposedly stand for Iesus Hominum Salvator, Jesus the Savior of Men, but in Babylon, they stood for Isis Horus, Seb, the mother, the child, and the father of the gods (the Egyptian trinity).
I support your calling a spade a spade!!!
The Catholic institution is completely occultic, Egyptian mystery religions nonsense at its core, they have many mysteries and secrets.
Sadly many of the churches from the Reformation really have not divested themselves from Augustinian heresy.
No one, but no one, should be defending this institution
Here is one more piece of evidence
Transubstantiation (Communion)
In the Catholic Church, the Mass is heralded as the transubstantiation, or unbloody sacrifice, where small, thin, round wafers are eaten. The Babylonians worshipped Baal in the same way, using the small, thin, round wafers as a symbol of the sun god. The letters on the wafer, I.H.S., supposedly stand for Iesus Hominum Salvator, Jesus the Savior of Men, but in Babylon, they stood for Isis Horus, Seb, the mother, the child, and the father of the gods (the Egyptian trinity).
I support your calling a spade a spade!!!
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Jesus already answered this question. If you want to know the work God requires - here it is:
"Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." (John 6:28-29)
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Of the last sayings of Christ on the cross, none is more important or more poignant than, “It is finished.” Found only in the Gospel of John, the Greek word translated “it is finished” is tetelestai, an accounting term that means “paid in full.” When Jesus uttered those words, He was declaring the debt owed to His Father was wiped away completely and forever. Not that Jesus wiped away any debt that He owed to the Father; rather, Jesus eliminated the debt owed by mankind—the debt of sin.
Just prior to His arrest by the Romans, Jesus prayed His last public prayer, asking the Father to glorify Him, just as Jesus had glorified the Father on earth, having “finished the work you have given me to do” (John 17:4). The work Jesus was sent to do was to “seek and save that which is lost” (Luke 19:10), to provide atonement for the sins of all who would ever believe in Him (Romans 3:23-25), and to reconcile sinful men to a holy God. “All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation” (2 Corinthians 5:18-19). None other but God in the flesh could accomplish such a task.
Also completed was the fulfillment of all Old Testament prophecies, symbols, and foreshadowings of the coming Messiah. From Genesis to Malachi, there are over 300 specific prophecies detailing the coming of the Anointed One, all fulfilled by Jesus. From the “seed” who would crush the serpent’s head (Genesis 3:15), to the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53, to the prediction of the “messenger” of the Lord (John the Baptist) who would “prepare the way” for the Messiah, all prophecies of Jesus’ life, ministry, and death were fulfilled and finished at the cross.
Although the redemption of mankind is the most important finished task, many other things were finished at the cross. The sufferings Jesus endured while on the earth, and especially in His last hours, were at last over. God’s will for Jesus was accomplished in His perfect obedience to the Father (John 5:30; 6:38). Most importantly, the power of sin and Satan was finished. No longer would mankind have to suffer the “flaming arrows of the evil one” (Ephesians 6:16). By raising the “shield of faith” in the One who completed the work of redemption and salvation, we can, by faith, live as new creations in Christ. Jesus’ finished work on the cross was the beginning of new life for all who were once “dead in trespasses and sins” but who are now made “alive with Christ” (Ephesians 2:1, 5).
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That's why we say "the finished work of Christ".
Just prior to His arrest by the Romans, Jesus prayed His last public prayer, asking the Father to glorify Him, just as Jesus had glorified the Father on earth, having “finished the work you have given me to do” (John 17:4). The work Jesus was sent to do was to “seek and save that which is lost” (Luke 19:10), to provide atonement for the sins of all who would ever believe in Him (Romans 3:23-25), and to reconcile sinful men to a holy God. “All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation” (2 Corinthians 5:18-19). None other but God in the flesh could accomplish such a task.
Also completed was the fulfillment of all Old Testament prophecies, symbols, and foreshadowings of the coming Messiah. From Genesis to Malachi, there are over 300 specific prophecies detailing the coming of the Anointed One, all fulfilled by Jesus. From the “seed” who would crush the serpent’s head (Genesis 3:15), to the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53, to the prediction of the “messenger” of the Lord (John the Baptist) who would “prepare the way” for the Messiah, all prophecies of Jesus’ life, ministry, and death were fulfilled and finished at the cross.
Although the redemption of mankind is the most important finished task, many other things were finished at the cross. The sufferings Jesus endured while on the earth, and especially in His last hours, were at last over. God’s will for Jesus was accomplished in His perfect obedience to the Father (John 5:30; 6:38). Most importantly, the power of sin and Satan was finished. No longer would mankind have to suffer the “flaming arrows of the evil one” (Ephesians 6:16). By raising the “shield of faith” in the One who completed the work of redemption and salvation, we can, by faith, live as new creations in Christ. Jesus’ finished work on the cross was the beginning of new life for all who were once “dead in trespasses and sins” but who are now made “alive with Christ” (Ephesians 2:1, 5).
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That's why we say "the finished work of Christ".
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