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I personally do not hate Catholics, and I agree that is not right, and I also admire the firm conviction on abortion many have.
However, there is evil in high places and of this I have no doubt. Pedophilia is rampant in the seminaries and the churches and I know this for a fact and has been for many, many years. We know people that have left the priesthood.
Now the adherents, deacons and parishioners, and some priests etc. can be kind, however they do not realize the false teachings, they have been blinded. When you present them with the true plan of salvation, they will argue back unless you should happen to find that one person who is still searching for truth.
Now, if you really want to have a true revelation about Catholics, you can ask them two questions.
What is the plan of salvation? When were they born again?
Btw....the Lutheran, Anglican liturgy are very different than the Catholic one, just the doctrine of transubstantiation, which is alchemy this should make you wonder about their beliefs.
I read their catechism once right through I had the one with the Papal Imprimatur....no plan for salvation
They do not believe salvation can be had in this life.
Here is their answer to ......
II. Ways of Coming to Know God
31 Created in God's image and called to know and love him, the person who seeks God discovers certain ways of coming to know him. These are also called proofs for the existence of God, not in the sense of proofs in the natural sciences, but rather in the sense of "converging and convincing arguments", which allow us to attain certainty about the truth. These "ways" of approaching God from creation have a twofold point of departure: the physical world, and the human person.
32 The world: starting from movement, becoming, contingency, and the world's order and beauty, one can come to a knowledge of God as the origin and the end of the universe.
As St. Paul says of the Gentiles: For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made.7
And St. Augustine issues this challenge: Question the beauty of the earth, question the beauty of the sea, question the beauty of the air distending and diffusing itself, question the beauty of the sky. . . question all these realities. All respond: "See, we are beautiful." Their beauty is a profession [confessio]. These beauties are subject to change. Who made them if not the Beautiful One [Pulcher] who is not subject to change?8
33 The human person: with his openness to truth and beauty, his sense of moral goodness, his freedom and the voice of his conscience, with his longings for the infinite and for happiness, man questions himself about God's existence. In all this he discerns signs of his spiritual soul. the soul, the "seed of eternity we bear in ourselves, irreducible to the merely material",9 can have its origin only in God.
34 The world, and man, attest that they contain within themselves neither their first principle nor their final end, but rather that they participate in Being itself, which alone is without origin or end. Thus, in different ways, man can come to know that there exists a reality which is the first cause and final end of all things, a reality "that everyone calls God".10
35 Man's faculties make him capable of coming to a knowledge of the existence of a personal God. But for man to be able to enter into real intimacy with him, God willed both to reveal himself to man, and to give him the grace of being able to welcome this revelation in faith.(so) the proofs of God's existence, however, can predispose one to faith and help one to see that faith is not opposed to reason.
However, there is evil in high places and of this I have no doubt. Pedophilia is rampant in the seminaries and the churches and I know this for a fact and has been for many, many years. We know people that have left the priesthood.
Now the adherents, deacons and parishioners, and some priests etc. can be kind, however they do not realize the false teachings, they have been blinded. When you present them with the true plan of salvation, they will argue back unless you should happen to find that one person who is still searching for truth.
Now, if you really want to have a true revelation about Catholics, you can ask them two questions.
What is the plan of salvation? When were they born again?
Btw....the Lutheran, Anglican liturgy are very different than the Catholic one, just the doctrine of transubstantiation, which is alchemy this should make you wonder about their beliefs.
I read their catechism once right through I had the one with the Papal Imprimatur....no plan for salvation
They do not believe salvation can be had in this life.
Here is their answer to ......
II. Ways of Coming to Know God
31 Created in God's image and called to know and love him, the person who seeks God discovers certain ways of coming to know him. These are also called proofs for the existence of God, not in the sense of proofs in the natural sciences, but rather in the sense of "converging and convincing arguments", which allow us to attain certainty about the truth. These "ways" of approaching God from creation have a twofold point of departure: the physical world, and the human person.
32 The world: starting from movement, becoming, contingency, and the world's order and beauty, one can come to a knowledge of God as the origin and the end of the universe.
As St. Paul says of the Gentiles: For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made.7
And St. Augustine issues this challenge: Question the beauty of the earth, question the beauty of the sea, question the beauty of the air distending and diffusing itself, question the beauty of the sky. . . question all these realities. All respond: "See, we are beautiful." Their beauty is a profession [confessio]. These beauties are subject to change. Who made them if not the Beautiful One [Pulcher] who is not subject to change?8
33 The human person: with his openness to truth and beauty, his sense of moral goodness, his freedom and the voice of his conscience, with his longings for the infinite and for happiness, man questions himself about God's existence. In all this he discerns signs of his spiritual soul. the soul, the "seed of eternity we bear in ourselves, irreducible to the merely material",9 can have its origin only in God.
34 The world, and man, attest that they contain within themselves neither their first principle nor their final end, but rather that they participate in Being itself, which alone is without origin or end. Thus, in different ways, man can come to know that there exists a reality which is the first cause and final end of all things, a reality "that everyone calls God".10
35 Man's faculties make him capable of coming to a knowledge of the existence of a personal God. But for man to be able to enter into real intimacy with him, God willed both to reveal himself to man, and to give him the grace of being able to welcome this revelation in faith.(so) the proofs of God's existence, however, can predispose one to faith and help one to see that faith is not opposed to reason.
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I agree with the Scriptures you posted.
However,
Your addition to the Scriptures in blue I do not.
Some biblical commentators point to the proselyte Nicolas of Antioch. (Acts 6:5)
Others say the word Nicolaitan defines the meaning in itself, but none of them agree with your opinion in blue.
Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
However,
Your addition to the Scriptures in blue I do not.
Some biblical commentators point to the proselyte Nicolas of Antioch. (Acts 6:5)
Others say the word Nicolaitan defines the meaning in itself, but none of them agree with your opinion in blue.
Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
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Rom_1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Rom_16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
I would agree with this concerning the hierarchy, but not all the people realize what the hierarchy is about. And not all are faithless. Plus we have denominations outside of the Catholic Church that are controlled by secret societies. Then there may be others in the same denomination whose hearts are right and money isn't their god. Depends on their leadership.
Theres a Catholic church in our community that the Priest is charismatic and many of the parishioners are too. I went to a Christmas Mass...first time ever in one, and was impressed by the love this man had for the people.
I read a lot.
So I understand why VCO writes what he writes; also for I worked for Charismatic Catholics at one time, and their beliefs are the same as mine. They asked the Lord about leaving the church too, and was told to stay. More good would come from their being there, than leaving.
We are led by Holy Spirit. What is told to one, might be different than another. God has His reasons.
No one doubts they are nice and or sincere in what they believe....however, they are NOT of GOD..........the cited examples of grievous fallacies, their history and their origin prove they are not of or from God.....they murdered 60 to 80 million people that believed what we believe in the most horrific ways and are currently folding in under ISLAM while attempting to unite ALL false Christian religions under the same banner....NO ONE, after my study of church history will ever convince me they are of GOD......ever!!
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Rom_1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Rom_16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
I would agree with this concerning the hierarchy, but not all the people realize what the hierarchy is about. And not all are faithless. Plus we have denominations outside of the Catholic Church that are controlled by secret societies. Then there may be others in the same denomination whose hearts are right and money isn't their god. Depends on their leadership.
Theres a Catholic church in our community that the Priest is charismatic and many of the parishioners are too. I went to a Christmas Mass...first time ever in one, and was impressed by the love this man had for the people.
I read a lot.
So I understand why VCO writes what he writes; also for I worked for Charismatic Catholics at one time, and their beliefs are the same as mine. They asked the Lord about leaving the church too, and was told to stay. More good would come from their being there, than leaving.
We are led by Holy Spirit. What is told to one, might be different than another. God has His reasons.
Rom_16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
I would agree with this concerning the hierarchy, but not all the people realize what the hierarchy is about. And not all are faithless. Plus we have denominations outside of the Catholic Church that are controlled by secret societies. Then there may be others in the same denomination whose hearts are right and money isn't their god. Depends on their leadership.
Theres a Catholic church in our community that the Priest is charismatic and many of the parishioners are too. I went to a Christmas Mass...first time ever in one, and was impressed by the love this man had for the people.
I read a lot.
So I understand why VCO writes what he writes; also for I worked for Charismatic Catholics at one time, and their beliefs are the same as mine. They asked the Lord about leaving the church too, and was told to stay. More good would come from their being there, than leaving.
We are led by Holy Spirit. What is told to one, might be different than another. God has His reasons.
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Amen.......the three cardinals that stand behind the pope<---the letters on their robes have a numerical value of 666........no one will ever convince me that the Catholic Church is of or from God.......the cited examples I gave above and their history and founding = not of God......I am not saying that all Catholics are lost and or not nice or sincere.....just that the religion and the doctrine they hold is not of or from GOD....
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"WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE."
...For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I MIGHT DISPLAY MY POWER IN YOU and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
...But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for MY POWER is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, SO THAT CHRIST'S POWER MAY REST ON ME. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG. 2 Corinthians 12:9-10
John 14:20-24 On that day you will realize that I AM IN MY FATHER, AND YOU ARE IN ME, AND I AM IN YOU. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
"WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE."
Paul said that we have to offer our bodies as a living sacrifice, HOLY and ACCEPTABLE to God which is our SPIRITUAL ACT OF WORSHIP. (1 Corinthians 12:1) and then goes on to teach about the BODY OF CHRIST and spiritual gifts.
...Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. (1 john 3:16)
That is why Paul said;
...For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, BUT ALSO TO SUFFER FOR HIM, Philippians 1:29
So we see here that just as Jesus suffered when He sacrificed Himself in obedience to GOD, His apostles and the prophets before them also suffered and were killed. Did they suffer and died for doing good because of their obedience to the faith?
...It is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 1 Peter 3:17-18
...Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I FILL UP IN MY FLESH WHAT IS STILL LACKING IN REGARD TO CHRIST'S AFFLICTIONS, for the sake of his body, which is the church. Colossians 1:24
They suffered and laboured for our sake and not for their own salvation but for ours, we reap the benefits of their labour and that's what those in the body of Christ do, they work for the salvation of the unbelievers for they also were once unbelievers who benefited from the Labour of those before them. IOW "paying it forward."
...“My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. Do you not say, ‘Four months more and then the harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now HE HARVESTS THE CROP FOR ETERNAL LIFE, so that the sower and the reaper may be GLAD TOGETHER. Thus the saying ‘ONE SOWS AND ANOTHER REAPS’ is true. I sent you TO REAP WHAT YOU HAVE NOT WORKED FOR. Others have done the hard work, and YOU HAVE REAPED THE BENEFITS OF THEIR LABOR.” John 4:34-38
I would therefore say and believe that;
...As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead. James 2:26
Eternal life IN CHRIST JESUS is our LIVING HOPE.
...Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as WE WAIT EAGERLY FOR OUR ADOPTION AS SONS, the redemption of our bodies. FOR IN THIS HOPE WE WERE SAVED. BUT HOPE THAT IS SEEN IS NO HOPE AT ALL. WHO HOPES FOR WHAT HE ALREADY HAS? But if we hope for what WE DO NOT YET HAVE, we wait for it patiently. Romans 8:23-25
"WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE."
...For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I MIGHT DISPLAY MY POWER IN YOU and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
...But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for MY POWER is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, SO THAT CHRIST'S POWER MAY REST ON ME. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. FOR WHEN I AM WEAK, THEN I AM STRONG. 2 Corinthians 12:9-10
John 14:20-24 On that day you will realize that I AM IN MY FATHER, AND YOU ARE IN ME, AND I AM IN YOU. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
"WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE."
Paul said that we have to offer our bodies as a living sacrifice, HOLY and ACCEPTABLE to God which is our SPIRITUAL ACT OF WORSHIP. (1 Corinthians 12:1) and then goes on to teach about the BODY OF CHRIST and spiritual gifts.
...Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. (1 john 3:16)
That is why Paul said;
...For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, BUT ALSO TO SUFFER FOR HIM, Philippians 1:29
So we see here that just as Jesus suffered when He sacrificed Himself in obedience to GOD, His apostles and the prophets before them also suffered and were killed. Did they suffer and died for doing good because of their obedience to the faith?
...It is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 1 Peter 3:17-18
...Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I FILL UP IN MY FLESH WHAT IS STILL LACKING IN REGARD TO CHRIST'S AFFLICTIONS, for the sake of his body, which is the church. Colossians 1:24
They suffered and laboured for our sake and not for their own salvation but for ours, we reap the benefits of their labour and that's what those in the body of Christ do, they work for the salvation of the unbelievers for they also were once unbelievers who benefited from the Labour of those before them. IOW "paying it forward."
...“My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. Do you not say, ‘Four months more and then the harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now HE HARVESTS THE CROP FOR ETERNAL LIFE, so that the sower and the reaper may be GLAD TOGETHER. Thus the saying ‘ONE SOWS AND ANOTHER REAPS’ is true. I sent you TO REAP WHAT YOU HAVE NOT WORKED FOR. Others have done the hard work, and YOU HAVE REAPED THE BENEFITS OF THEIR LABOR.” John 4:34-38
I would therefore say and believe that;
...As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead. James 2:26
Eternal life IN CHRIST JESUS is our LIVING HOPE.
...Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as WE WAIT EAGERLY FOR OUR ADOPTION AS SONS, the redemption of our bodies. FOR IN THIS HOPE WE WERE SAVED. BUT HOPE THAT IS SEEN IS NO HOPE AT ALL. WHO HOPES FOR WHAT HE ALREADY HAS? But if we hope for what WE DO NOT YET HAVE, we wait for it patiently. Romans 8:23-25
"WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE."
Rom_1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Rom_16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
I would agree with this concerning the hierarchy, but not all the people realize what the hierarchy is about. And not all are faithless. Plus we have denominations outside of the Catholic Church that are controlled by secret societies. Then there may be others in the same denomination whose hearts are right and money isn't their god. Depends on their leadership.
Theres a Catholic church in our community that the Priest is charismatic and many of the parishioners are too. I went to a Christmas Mass...first time ever in one, and was impressed by the love this man had for the people.
I read a lot.
So I understand why VCO writes what he writes; also for I worked for Charismatic Catholics at one time, and their beliefs are the same as mine. They asked the Lord about leaving the church too, and was told to stay. More good would come from their being there, than leaving.
We are led by Holy Spirit. What is told to one, might be different than another. God has His reasons.
Rom_16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
I would agree with this concerning the hierarchy, but not all the people realize what the hierarchy is about. And not all are faithless. Plus we have denominations outside of the Catholic Church that are controlled by secret societies. Then there may be others in the same denomination whose hearts are right and money isn't their god. Depends on their leadership.
Theres a Catholic church in our community that the Priest is charismatic and many of the parishioners are too. I went to a Christmas Mass...first time ever in one, and was impressed by the love this man had for the people.
I read a lot.
So I understand why VCO writes what he writes; also for I worked for Charismatic Catholics at one time, and their beliefs are the same as mine. They asked the Lord about leaving the church too, and was told to stay. More good would come from their being there, than leaving.
We are led by Holy Spirit. What is told to one, might be different than another. God has His reasons.
COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM AND BE SEPARATE SAITH THE LORD AND TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING.........
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Well, I asked that question about non-denominational churches for this reason: Haven't been to church in a while and really don't want to go back to the one I'm a member of. It's Methodist but the denomination isn't my issue. It's too big, had a bad experience there, just want a fresh new start. Just saying.
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Imitating Christ’s Humility
If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. Do nothing out of SELFISH ambition or VAIN CONCEIT, but in HUMILITY consider others BETTER THAN YOURSELVES. Each of you should look not only to YOUR OWN INTERESTS, but also to the interests of others. Your ATTITUDE should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death— even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:1-11
If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. Do nothing out of SELFISH ambition or VAIN CONCEIT, but in HUMILITY consider others BETTER THAN YOURSELVES. Each of you should look not only to YOUR OWN INTERESTS, but also to the interests of others. Your ATTITUDE should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death— even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:1-11
There is a picture of 3 cardinals standing behind the POPE, they are ALL in black with purple sashes aligned to look like each one has a letter of the Hebrew alphabet on his robe.....lined up they = 666.....it has been a while since I seen the picture, but seemed rather obvious.........in yellow is what it looked like in the picture....
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1st; I believe scripture is clear, the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God.
I like KJ perspective: Godhead. Having said that, does the Son ever send the Father? Does the Holy Spirit ever send the Father or Son?
When Jesus prayed, did he pray to himself? I say NO!
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
(Jesus say's, the Father is greater then he. Did he lie? I say NO!)
Matthew 3:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased)
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
Matthew 17:
Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
2 Pet 1:
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
Matthew 3:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased)
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
Before someone tells me Christ is a man in the above verses. READ the next TWO
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(This isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus. Does he sit down next to himself? I say NO!)
Rev 5:
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(Here again, this isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus. Does he take the book out of his own hand? I say NO!
In heaven the Godhead are one/connected in the spiritual sense. In absolute unwavering unity
John 14:11 (A) Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me.
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Heb 1:3 (A) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person
(In the earthly realm we would call this of the same DNA. Scripture proclaims when a man & woman join they become ONE flesh 1 Cor 6:16, Eph 5:31. Is this a teaching metaphor? Or do they literally become one person? We the people comprise ONE Nation, are we ONE person?
If the Father & Son are the same person, what's the point in any of the following verses?
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Ti 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
1 Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
2 Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2 Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
I like KJ perspective: Godhead. Having said that, does the Son ever send the Father? Does the Holy Spirit ever send the Father or Son?
When Jesus prayed, did he pray to himself? I say NO!
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
(Jesus say's, the Father is greater then he. Did he lie? I say NO!)
Matthew 3:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased)
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
Matthew 17:
Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
2 Pet 1:
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
Matthew 3:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased)
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
Before someone tells me Christ is a man in the above verses. READ the next TWO
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(This isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus. Does he sit down next to himself? I say NO!)
Rev 5:
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(Here again, this isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus. Does he take the book out of his own hand? I say NO!
In heaven the Godhead are one/connected in the spiritual sense. In absolute unwavering unity
John 14:11 (A) Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me.
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Heb 1:3 (A) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person
(In the earthly realm we would call this of the same DNA. Scripture proclaims when a man & woman join they become ONE flesh 1 Cor 6:16, Eph 5:31. Is this a teaching metaphor? Or do they literally become one person? We the people comprise ONE Nation, are we ONE person?
If the Father & Son are the same person, what's the point in any of the following verses?
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Ti 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
1 Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
2 Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2 Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
1st; I believe scripture is clear, the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God.
I like KJ perspective: Godhead. Having said that, does the Son ever send the Father? Does the Holy Spirit ever send the Father or Son?
When Jesus prayed, did he pray to himself? I say NO!
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
(Jesus say's, the Father is greater then he. Did he lie? I say NO!)
Matthew 3:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased)
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
Matthew 17:
Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
2 Pet 1:
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
Matthew 3:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased)
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
Before someone tells me Christ is a man in the above verses. READ the next TWO
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(This isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus. Does he sit down next to himself? I say NO!)
Rev 5:
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(Here again, this isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus. Does he take the book out of his own hand? I say NO!
In heaven the Godhead are one/connected in the spiritual sense. In absolute unwavering unity
John 14:11 (A) Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me.
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Heb 1:3 (A) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person
(In the earthly realm we would call this of the same DNA. Scripture proclaims when a man & woman join they become ONE flesh 1 Cor 6:16, Eph 5:31. Is this a teaching metaphor? Or do they literally become one person? We the people comprise ONE Nation, are we ONE person?
If the Father & Son are the same person, what's the point in any of the following verses?
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Ti 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
1 Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
2 Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2 Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
I like KJ perspective: Godhead. Having said that, does the Son ever send the Father? Does the Holy Spirit ever send the Father or Son?
When Jesus prayed, did he pray to himself? I say NO!
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
(Jesus say's, the Father is greater then he. Did he lie? I say NO!)
Matthew 3:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased)
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
Matthew 17:
Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
2 Pet 1:
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
Matthew 3:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased)
(Is Jesus a practicing ventriloquist here? I say NO!)
Before someone tells me Christ is a man in the above verses. READ the next TWO
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(This isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus. Does he sit down next to himself? I say NO!)
Rev 5:
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(Here again, this isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus. Does he take the book out of his own hand? I say NO!
In heaven the Godhead are one/connected in the spiritual sense. In absolute unwavering unity
John 14:11 (A) Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me.
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Heb 1:3 (A) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person
(In the earthly realm we would call this of the same DNA. Scripture proclaims when a man & woman join they become ONE flesh 1 Cor 6:16, Eph 5:31. Is this a teaching metaphor? Or do they literally become one person? We the people comprise ONE Nation, are we ONE person?
If the Father & Son are the same person, what's the point in any of the following verses?
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Ti 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
1 Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
2 Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2 Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
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There is a picture of 3 cardinals standing behind the POPE, they are ALL in black with purple sashes aligned to look like each one has a letter of the Hebrew alphabet on his robe.....lined up they = 666.....it has been a while since I seen the picture, but seemed rather obvious.........in yellow is what it looked like in the picture....