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...As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:26
...teaching them to OBEY WHATEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU… Matthew 28:18-20
...And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and TO LOVE one another as he commanded us.1 John 3:23
...And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6
...For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for him, Philippians 1:29
How can those who CLAIM to be saved thru Faith ALONE suffer for Christ if they believe and insist that no works of any sort is needed, but to believe/faith ALONE is sufficient to be saved.
Does a person who teaches obedience to God cause another person to sin by doing so?
Would any person who don't have FAITH in God teach obedience to God? Or would the deceiver be TEACHING obedience to God as a deception? Would he not rather teach DISOBEDIENCE in His attempt to deceive the believers?
Is it not those who condemn those who teach obedience to God who DOES NOT HAVE FAITH in God and CAUSES A PERSON TO SIN?
Is it not that sin is the transgression of the law?(1 john 3:4)
Is it obedience to God to break the law?
Did the Holy servants of God such as the prophets and the apostles OBEYED and taught OBEDIENCE to God?
Who then causes another person to sin?
...At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But IF ANYONE CAUSES ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES WHO “BELIEVE” IN ME TO SIN, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but WOE TO THE MAN THROUGH WHOM THEY COME FROM! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be THROWN INTO ETERNAL FIRE. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be THROWN INTO THE FIRE OF HELL. matthew 18:1-9
...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 john 2:3-6
...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. ephesians 5:6
...teaching them to OBEY WHATEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU… Matthew 28:18-20
...And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and TO LOVE one another as he commanded us.1 John 3:23
...And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6
...For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for him, Philippians 1:29
How can those who CLAIM to be saved thru Faith ALONE suffer for Christ if they believe and insist that no works of any sort is needed, but to believe/faith ALONE is sufficient to be saved.
Does a person who teaches obedience to God cause another person to sin by doing so?
Would any person who don't have FAITH in God teach obedience to God? Or would the deceiver be TEACHING obedience to God as a deception? Would he not rather teach DISOBEDIENCE in His attempt to deceive the believers?
Is it not those who condemn those who teach obedience to God who DOES NOT HAVE FAITH in God and CAUSES A PERSON TO SIN?
Is it not that sin is the transgression of the law?(1 john 3:4)
Is it obedience to God to break the law?
Did the Holy servants of God such as the prophets and the apostles OBEYED and taught OBEDIENCE to God?
Who then causes another person to sin?
...At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But IF ANYONE CAUSES ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES WHO “BELIEVE” IN ME TO SIN, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but WOE TO THE MAN THROUGH WHOM THEY COME FROM! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be THROWN INTO ETERNAL FIRE. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be THROWN INTO THE FIRE OF HELL. matthew 18:1-9
...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 john 2:3-6
...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. ephesians 5:6
Its actually for salvation in catholicism, cause if you DONT, then you're out. Btw, may I ask what are you? (denomination?)
Catholics and their eucharist is kind of like adventists and the sabbath. "*smiling* yeah you are saved by grace thru faith. Jesus saves. Praise God. but if you dont keep the sabbath after you're saved you are breaking God's commandments and go to hell, or go to church on sunday in the great tribulation you will take the mark of the beast and go to hell."
Catholics and their eucharist is kind of like adventists and the sabbath. "*smiling* yeah you are saved by grace thru faith. Jesus saves. Praise God. but if you dont keep the sabbath after you're saved you are breaking God's commandments and go to hell, or go to church on sunday in the great tribulation you will take the mark of the beast and go to hell."
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Why do you think that BELIEVERS were warned not to be DECEIVED?
...He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’ But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who HEARS THE WORD and at once RECEIVES IT with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly FALLS AWAY. The one who RECEIVED THE SEED that fell among the thorns is the man who HEARS THE WORD, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it UNFRUITFUL. But the one who RECEIVED THE SEED that fell on good soil is the man who HEARS THE WORD and UNDERSTANDS IT. He PRODUCES A CROP, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
The Parable of the Weeds
...Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in HIS FIELD. But while everyone was sleeping, HIS ENEMY came and SOWED WEEDS AMONG THE WHEATS, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. LET BOTH GROW TOGETHER UNTIL THE HARVEST. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’” Matthew 13:11-30
Both the weeds and wheat grow in the same FIELD.
...The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and THEY WILL WEED OUT OF HIS KINGDOM everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. Matthew 13:38-43
Who will the angels WEED OUT of GOD'S KINGDOM?
Aren't they supposed to belong to GOD'S kingdom to be weeded out of it?
...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:10-14
....“To the angel of the CHURCH in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3
The church is the BODY OF CHRIST whom He will SAVE. Ephesians 5:23 WEEDED OUT OF every wickedness.
...He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’ But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who HEARS THE WORD and at once RECEIVES IT with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly FALLS AWAY. The one who RECEIVED THE SEED that fell among the thorns is the man who HEARS THE WORD, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it UNFRUITFUL. But the one who RECEIVED THE SEED that fell on good soil is the man who HEARS THE WORD and UNDERSTANDS IT. He PRODUCES A CROP, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
The Parable of the Weeds
...Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in HIS FIELD. But while everyone was sleeping, HIS ENEMY came and SOWED WEEDS AMONG THE WHEATS, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. LET BOTH GROW TOGETHER UNTIL THE HARVEST. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’” Matthew 13:11-30
Both the weeds and wheat grow in the same FIELD.
...The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and THEY WILL WEED OUT OF HIS KINGDOM everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. Matthew 13:38-43
Who will the angels WEED OUT of GOD'S KINGDOM?
Aren't they supposed to belong to GOD'S kingdom to be weeded out of it?
...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:10-14
....“To the angel of the CHURCH in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3
The church is the BODY OF CHRIST whom He will SAVE. Ephesians 5:23 WEEDED OUT OF every wickedness.
GodsGrace101 Said:
Catholics do not worship Mary.
Don't you know anything???????
Post something that states CAtholics worship Mary.
Some do, and Some don't. I can see you do not know much about Catholicism. I have been watching a growing false doctrine within Catholicism for DECADES that will eventually cause a Church Split.
For your information, I call the one's that Worship Mary, CATHOLIC-CATHOLICS.
And the ones that Worship the Holy Trinity, CHRISTIAN-CATHOLICS.
There has been a growing movement in the Catholic Church that says, we pray to Mary, because GOD is TOO busy with the major Prayer requests, so HE depends on Mary to answer the Little Prayer requests. And they actually believe that Mary will answer those Prayer requests.
I asked a Born Again PRIEST, that was a friend of mine, about that. He said, "I know that some do think Mary answers prayer too, but that is not why we are taught to pray to Mary in the Seminary." He said, "Tell me, do you believe that GOD honors that prayer, when you ask a Christian Brother or Sister to Pray for you?" I said, YES. He said, "Now can you quote Chapter and Verse where it says to STOP asking them to pray for you, when that Brother of Sister in Christ Dies ?" He said, after I was silent for awhile, "Yes, we believe it is just a form of Intercessory Prayer, and nothing more." Then he went on to say, "I guess we have done a very Poor job of teaching that from the Pulpit, probably because we thought it was better for them to come to the Church for the Wrong Reason, than not to come at all." I THOUGHT, . . . . and better for the Collection Plate.
YES there are BORN AGAIN CATHOLICS that can put to shame most Protestants, when it comes to LOVING THE BRETHREN. Two of them that I have MET are Catholic Priests, and possibly a third one, though I did not know him long enough to determine what kind of Fruit he produced. I asked them both, why do you remain in the Catholic Church. They both gave me almost identical answers. "Because I am where CHRIST needs me the Most." I thought about that, and realized that I would have to give the same answer about my being in the Prison Ministry as a Volunteer Protestant Chaplain. In fact, I remember praying one day when I was a Young Christian, "LORD, give me a ministry One Yard From Hell." Yes, I heard that somewhere, but I do not remember where; BUT I MEANT IT WITH MY WHOLE BEING. YES, HE was faithful to honor that Prayer, in the highest level security Prison in California.
Catholics do not worship Mary.
Don't you know anything???????
Post something that states CAtholics worship Mary.
Some do, and Some don't. I can see you do not know much about Catholicism. I have been watching a growing false doctrine within Catholicism for DECADES that will eventually cause a Church Split.
For your information, I call the one's that Worship Mary, CATHOLIC-CATHOLICS.
And the ones that Worship the Holy Trinity, CHRISTIAN-CATHOLICS.
There has been a growing movement in the Catholic Church that says, we pray to Mary, because GOD is TOO busy with the major Prayer requests, so HE depends on Mary to answer the Little Prayer requests. And they actually believe that Mary will answer those Prayer requests.
I asked a Born Again PRIEST, that was a friend of mine, about that. He said, "I know that some do think Mary answers prayer too, but that is not why we are taught to pray to Mary in the Seminary." He said, "Tell me, do you believe that GOD honors that prayer, when you ask a Christian Brother or Sister to Pray for you?" I said, YES. He said, "Now can you quote Chapter and Verse where it says to STOP asking them to pray for you, when that Brother of Sister in Christ Dies ?" He said, after I was silent for awhile, "Yes, we believe it is just a form of Intercessory Prayer, and nothing more." Then he went on to say, "I guess we have done a very Poor job of teaching that from the Pulpit, probably because we thought it was better for them to come to the Church for the Wrong Reason, than not to come at all." I THOUGHT, . . . . and better for the Collection Plate.
YES there are BORN AGAIN CATHOLICS that can put to shame most Protestants, when it comes to LOVING THE BRETHREN. Two of them that I have MET are Catholic Priests, and possibly a third one, though I did not know him long enough to determine what kind of Fruit he produced. I asked them both, why do you remain in the Catholic Church. They both gave me almost identical answers. "Because I am where CHRIST needs me the Most." I thought about that, and realized that I would have to give the same answer about my being in the Prison Ministry as a Volunteer Protestant Chaplain. In fact, I remember praying one day when I was a Young Christian, "LORD, give me a ministry One Yard From Hell." Yes, I heard that somewhere, but I do not remember where; BUT I MEANT IT WITH MY WHOLE BEING. YES, HE was faithful to honor that Prayer, in the highest level security Prison in California.
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I have a hard time believing the last part......God calls us out from among them and there is NOT one verse that give scriptural weight to God keeping one of his children in a false religion for any reason whatsoever at all....a prison ministry cannot be compared to remaining in a false religion.....come out from among them and be separate saith the LORD.....<----I cannot be convinced that God would contradict his word to keep someone in a false religion and the bible does not teach the end justifies the means....
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I have to say also the excuse about Mary and prayer is also ridiculous.....NAME one prayer from the bible where someone prayed to a dead person for the sake of them praying for them, that is as ridiculous as can be..........there is so much wrong with Catholic dogma that to even begin to address all of it with scripture would take hundreds of pages of scripture and explanation......
There is no evidence whatsoever at all to support such foolishness.......and if it was biblical to do such there would be instruction to do it......
There is no evidence whatsoever at all to support such foolishness.......and if it was biblical to do such there would be instruction to do it......
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Well, when we all get to heaven, come around my place, and I will introduce you to some of those Born Again Catholics, and those who got save in the Pelican Bay Security Housing Unit. Should not be hard to find, out back along the Crystal River, in or near a bend in the river.
Why did D.L. Moody preach to the winos on the street?
Why did John Patton preach to the head hunters of New Hebrides?
And you NEED to read Elisabeth Elliot live most of her life with the Waodani tribe after they killed her husband Jim Elliot.
Those Priests are in a unique position, to preach the TRUTH to a people, that everyone wants to turn their back on. Like I said, the Born Again Catholics NO THE TRUTH, and LIVE IT. I have discipled at least one of them. I have SEEN THEIR LOVE.
1 John 3:14-19 (HCSB)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.
15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
16 This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.
17 If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋—how can God’s love reside in him?
18 Little children, we must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action.
19 This is how we will know we belong to the truth and will convince our conscience in His presence,
I do not see a EXCEPT FOR CATHOLICS sign stamped in any BIBLE.
YES, I have heard several of their SERMONS TOO. Father Baptista, did blessed my socks off, and I told he should have been a Baptist. LOL No doubt in my mind that HE is using them RIGHT WHERE THEY ARE.
One of the biggest problems, that causes more issues on this site is the fact that people cannot be honest with what is said and the fact that many times words are embellished to say something not said nor even implied........why cannot people READ what is written and be honest with what is written and NOT embellish what IS WRITTEN???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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As a former Catholic who remained Catholic for a long while after being born again, I can say that it is very hard to walk in the Spirit and God did not want me there after a while.
In all my years around Catholics, priests, teachers, nuns etc., I did not meet one that could state the Gospel clearly, but yes many have the good works down pat and some do have a genuine love for Jesus, but I have met people that feel the same way about Buddha.
I will also state after many years of research that the "mass" is a very dark ritual with a very thin veneer of biblical words over top.
I do not blame the parishioners they do not know any better....my heart goes out to them, those that are faithful to the liturgy can be very hard to reach.
I am sorry but their doctrine is messed up and I know first hand.
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