Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

Where did it say Romans 4???
Did it not come through?
And WHERE in Romans 4???

As I've clearly shown you,
Works/good deeds are a part of God's salvation economy.

Also, you should read Truthtalk's post no. 82, 465, he has some good advice there.
Here it is:

1 Peter 5:5
"All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, "God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble."

James4:6
"God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble."

Hebrews 13:17
Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you.

James 1:5
But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.

Even the above speaks of works.....

Do not address me any more Fran....you are deceptive and do not speak the truth........not of God!

 

[GodsGrace101]

Do not address me any more Fran....you are deceptive and do not speak the truth........not of God!

I'll speak to you all I want to.
This is an open forum...open to all.
You could not answer, that's up to you.

I know you find it difficult to answer since I like to speak of the bible
and you like to speak of whatever it is you say.

Not the truth, that's for sure.

 

[UnderGrace]

I'll speak to you all I want to.
This is an open forum...open to all.

This will be my last post to you

 

[mailmandan]

What is there to understand?
It's written in plain English.
Here it is again:

Faith and Works

14What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
15If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
17Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.

18But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.”
19You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

No commentary necessary for those who desire the truth.

Those who desire the truth consider the context and properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching their conclusion on doctrine. You have failed to do both, remain spiritually discerned and the end result is a perverted gospel of works salvation. You are deceived.

 

[dcontroversal]

Pretty bad when you make direct biblical quotes and get falsely accused of not posting scripture......speaks volumes to the lack of honesty among the workers for that peddle some working for dogma.....

 

[Ella85]

Do not address me any more Fran....you are deceptive and do not speak the truth........not of God!

Never want to get on the wrong side of this guy

 

[dcontroversal]

Never want to get on the wrong side of this guy

HAHAHAHHAHHAH I do not mind heated debate.....but when I get accused of crap not true.....it tends to bring out the Marine in me........

 

[Ella85]

Here's an example. So if a Catholic person goes to church every week and does good by people does that mean they are saved?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Do not address me any more Fran....you are deceptive and do not speak the truth........not of God!

Those who desire the truth consider the context and property harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching their conclusion on doctrine.
Those who desire the truth consider the context and properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching their conclusion on doctrine. You have failed to do both, remain spiritually discerned and the end result is a perverted gospel of works salvation. You are deceived.

Yes, I AM spiritually discerned.
Thanks!

I know whom I have trusted....
And there is only ONE gospel.
The one that can be quoted and beieved.
Without pages of explanation.

1 Corinthians 2:10-14

 

[dcontroversal]

Here's an example. So if a Catholic person goes to church every week and does good by people does that mean they are saved?

NOPE........our righteousnesses are as filthy rags before God and there is none good, no not one.........only faith saves a man before GOD.....and Paul concluded it was faith alone that justifies before GOD without the deeds/works of the law

 

[GodsGrace101]

HAHAHAHHAHHAH I do not mind heated debate.....but when I get accused of crap not true.....it tends to bring out the Marine in me........

Pretty bad when you make direct biblical quotes and get falsely accused of not posting scripture......speaks volumes to the lack of honesty among the workers for that peddle some working for dogma.....

1. You haven't supported your accusation of me with posts. You called me a liar....prove it.

2. You do not use scripture. Please show posts where scripture was used.

Scripture is the following, in case you did not know:

It is necessary to do good works for God.
Ephesians 2:10

You DO NOT do the above.

 

[dcontroversal]

1. You haven't supported your accusation of me with posts. You called me a liar....prove it.

2. You do not use scripture. Please show posts where scripture was used.

Scripture is the following, in case you did not know:

It is necessary to do good works for God.
Ephesians 2:10

You DO NOT do the above.

Everybody can read you accused me of not posting scripture in 2 posts that I directly quoted scripture....your deceptive games belie a 7 year old on the playground!

get honest or do not address me

 

[UnderGrace]

Works are part of the salvation economy God has put into practice for mankind:

Is this your Gospel?

 

[Ella85]

NOPE........our righteousnesses are as filthy rags before God and there is none good, no not one.........only faith saves a man before GOD.....and Paul concluded it was faith alone that justifies before GOD without the deeds/works of the law

Catholicism = a perfect example of people who claim Christ to be their Lord and saviour yet deny that the bible is the truth. That purgatory exists and you can all make it into heaven if you go to the Catholic church

 

[FlyingDove]

Um, could you expand on the bolded?

I'm not sure what your point is?

If your argument is: The word control isn't in the verses I posted. I agree...

Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

These verse say, ALL POWER & ALL THINGS in heaven & earth are given to Christ. All power & things include CONTROL of the Holy Spirit

If you argument is: Christ isn't in control of the Holy Spirit. I disagree...

 

[dcontroversal]

Catholicism = a perfect example of people who claim Christ to be their Lord and saviour yet deny that the bible is the truth. That purgatory exists and you can all make it into heaven if you go to the Catholic church

Exactly............tragic hey

 

[GodsGrace101]

NOPE........our righteousnesses are as filthy rags before God and there is none good, no not one.........only faith saves a man before GOD.....and Paul concluded it was faith alone that justifies before GOD without the deeds/works of the law

You have just stated to a member that it's not necessary to go to church every week....

Hebrews 10:25
25not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another;and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

Going to church to worship God is NOT filthy rags.
Paul did NOT conclude that faith alone keeps a man saved...

Hebrews 13:16
And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.

No comment necessary.
No exegesis, hermeunetics, context, or harmonizing -- as some would say.

Just the plain and simple truth.


2 Timothy 2:15
Study to show yourself approved.



Do not preach against God's word.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Exactly............tragic hey

JESUS IS THE TRUTH.
Jesus saves you....

The bible is His word.
HE saves you , not the bible.

Maybe the catholics have it right.

And while you're at it...
Please show me where I stated that I'm catholic.

 

[Ella85]

You have just stated to a member that it's not necessary to go to church every week....

Hebrews 10:25
25not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another;and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

Going to church to worship God is NOT filthy rags.
Paul did NOT conclude that faith alone keeps a man saved...

Hebrews 13:16
And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.

No comment necessary.
No exegesis, hermeunetics, context, or harmonizing -- as some would say.

Just the plain and simple truth.


2 Timothy 2:15
Study to show yourself approved.



Do not preach against God's word.

Um, actually the point I was trying to make was being a Catholic going to church, get the difference?

 

[dcontroversal]

You have just stated to a member that it's not necessary to go to church every week....

Hebrews 10:25
25not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another;and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

Going to church to worship God is NOT filthy rags.
Paul did NOT conclude that faith alone keeps a man saved...

Hebrews 13:16
And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.

No comment necessary.
No exegesis, hermeunetics, context, or harmonizing -- as some would say.

Just the plain and simple truth.


2 Timothy 2:15
Study to show yourself approved.



Do not preach against God's word.

You must be off your meds if you think I said anything like that............WOW