Not By Works

GodsGrace101 · Jan 27, 2019

Can't what???

I noticed you ask every new poster the same ole' questions that you asked me.
That means you paid NO ATTENTION to the answers I gave you.

Did you even read them?
Do you not trust what I say?
Are my explanations not biblical?

WHY do you keep aksing the same questions if not to antagonize new posters?

This was very hurtful to me....
I don't care what the others did, but it does hurt that YOU would do this.

dcontroversal · Jan 27, 2019

UnderGrace said:

Yep and when she accused you of saying something you did not say or imply I copied and pasted the 1st one on the list to show that what she was saying was false....and Hevosmies did not accuse you, it was Fran.......

dcontroversal · Jan 27, 2019

Ella85 said:

Good, I remember you had some good insights.....swing that sword Ella

justpassinthrough · Jan 27, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

He didn’t read anything.

He has closed his eyes to the truth, because he doesn’t want to see.

And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,

And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’
Matthew 13:14-15

JPT

eternally-gratefull · Jan 27, 2019

Ella85 said:

Wb!!!

justpassinthrough · Jan 27, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Here’s some truth for you brother.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

JPT

dcontroversal · Jan 27, 2019

Hahahahhahah I see the deceived worker for thinks he has his eyes open............look up the word MANY.............

MANY will come before JESUS peddling the same garbage a few on this thread post.....they claim him as LORD and believe they have helped earn their way in by works and obedience......

Not happening.........Depart from me ye workers of iniquity <-----those who blend works plus faith to gain or keep salvation......

eternally-gratefull · Jan 27, 2019

justpassinthrough said:

John 19: 30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

That was easy

dcontroversal · Jan 27, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

Many do not understand "paid in full" <----it is finished........they must help their weak, ineffectual Jesus because he is too weak, or cannot keep his word and or promises..........

justpassinthrough · Jan 27, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Spouting your opinion, in the face of the scriptures is foolish.

Worker of iniquity means worker of sin and lawlessness.

Disobeying His commandments are lawlessness, which is hatred toward God and His people.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3

Jesus and the scriptures promoted faith working by love.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. Galatians 5:6

Those who hate, no longer have eternal life.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

Those who claim to “know Him”, which is to say, have eternal life, yet do not keep His commandments, are liars and deceivers, who promote a false gospel.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:4-5

JPT

dcontroversal · Jan 27, 2019

justpassinthrough said:

Yep and here is some truth for you.....

Therefore, we conclude a man is justified by faith WITHOUT the deeds/works of the law...........!

justpassinthrough · Jan 27, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Post scripture brother.

Show us where the scriptures teach us to believe in “the finished work of Christ.”

JPT

justpassinthrough · Jan 27, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Exactly. The law of Moses was nailed to the cross.

Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, and so we obey Him, and His Commandments.

His commandments, His doctrine are about love.

Loving God and loving our neighbor.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3

Your alternative is to live in lawlessness and iniquity breaking His commandments and living in hate.

We know where that is from.

whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:4-5

Please stop promoting the gospel of hate.

JPT

mailmandan · Jan 27, 2019

safswan said:

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no resulting evidential works (to validate his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. *So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe/ have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac on the altar resulted in God accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. This is the "sense" in which Abraham was "justified by works." He was shown to be righteous.

Keep in mind that James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).

TruthTalk · Jan 27, 2019

justpassinthrough said:

Hi justpassinthrough, so who decided you would be judge and executioner. Are you holding hate i your heart for a Christian brother. First take the tree out of your own eye.

You do use the word of God as a meat cleaver, not as a two edged sword like you should.

1John 3:15
Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him

mailmandan · Jan 27, 2019

safswan said:

The plain words in verse 14 say "says-claims" (key word) to have faith but has no works. What kind of faith is that? -- empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith.

James 2:14 (NASB) - What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
James 2:14 (NIV) - What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?
James 2:14 (AMP) - What is the benefit, my fellow believers, if someone claims to have faith but has no [good] works [as evidence]? Can that [kind of] faith save him? [No, a mere claim of faith is not sufficient—genuine faith produces good works.]

Do you interpret "justified by works" to mean "saved by works" in the context of James 2:14-24 in contradiction to Romans 4:2-6?

UnderGrace · Jan 27, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

You completely miss what I said.....completely!!

Let me put it two you this way there are only two groups walking around on this planet at any given moment.

Saved/Redeemed and unsaved

The unsaved can become the Saved/Redeemed, however the Saved/Redeemed do not become the unsaved ever!!

You conflate the two and therefore you do not understand anything that we write to you.

Scripture is actually pretty simple when you know this basic fact.

This is not what makes one a Christian, like I said do you know the Gospel?

Deciding to obey and follow Jesus does not make you a Christian, although it might make you a good Catholic

blue_ladybug · Jan 27, 2019

Just saying.... lol

justpassinthrough · Jan 27, 2019

TruthTalk said:

These are not my words, sir.

They are the word of God.

They apply to me, first and foremost.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:4-5

His commandments and doctrine are about love.

His commandments and doctrine are the truth.

We are called to obey the truth, practice the truth, walk in the truth, and love the truth.

Those who stray away from the truth, are in danger of becoming lost.

Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

JPT

justpassinthrough · Jan 27, 2019

TruthTalk said:

Amen.

Good word!

It’s the truth!

JPT

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