Does God want us to choose between law and grace?

[WalkingTree]

Where does that leave people who say Jesus was a man and a prophet like Moses and nothing more?

Being a Jewish Christian I too have a heart for Israel. But not so much because it's my heritage but because of what the Messiah has shown me in the scriptures. I believe when the veil is lifted we see the Messiah for who he is. And what he showed me is that when he says he is offering his sons blood for the sins of the world, it includes Israel. The gospel message is not at the cost of the Jewish people, they are actually the 'goal' of the gospel of restoration.

Non-believing Jews are just as much ignorant of God's will as we all were at some point in time. Yet, they are still fully able to receive what was promised to them from the beginning. As long as there is air to breath. It is God's will that all of them should come to Jesus, as much the same as for those in the nations. I also believe we have a huge example of how much God loves and waits for Israel to become his own again.

The God of Israel loved the world so much that he gave his only son as an offering and a banner, so that all who believe in him may be saved. How does this effect Israel? God offers all things to and through Israel, first. He gave Israel the Word, scattered her to the four winds of heaven, then sent the Spirit into the world, that as they themselves come to God they should bring back all the children of Israel with them. As an offering.

God is glorified in the restoration of Israel, as a nation and a people. It's at the heart of his Word, and the actual goal of Jesus message. The restoration of the gentiles leads to the restoration of Israel. Both united as one in the Kingdom to come.

ALL Israel is not replaced, she is not forsaken, she will be restored as new. I do not believe many in the church have properly understood the message of salvation when they preach a message of being forsaken and replaced by a spiritual people to the physical children of Israel. They act as if the Spirit is not going to do the same thing to and for the Jewish peole as he does for those in the nations.

The message to non-believing Jews shouldn't 'leave all you know and become a Christian'. If God meets you where you're at, why won't he do the same for the Jewish people? I was never moved by the turn or burn message. Well, maybe moved the opposite direction. But in the end, a negative message will always precipitate a negative response.

As I mentioned earlier, we have a huge example of love and mercy in the form of a sacrifice. His arms went out to all, met all where they were, said come to me in the most loving manner possible. Even at his own cost. His example is ours, as His Spirit is ours. I see many say they claim to walk as he did, even point out all the ways he walked, yet never seem to be able to mirror his image. Sadly, the very way they make their claims negates the image of the Holy One. One should never lord over another in anything. Especially when it comes to the children of Israel. Sadly, many who claim to be Christian mock the very people God says he loves most. And they act like Israel mocking Joseph. And we know how that story ends...

 

[PS]

Being a Jewish Christian I too have a heart for Israel. But not so much because it's my heritage but because of what the Messiah has shown me in the scriptures. I believe when the veil is lifted we see the Messiah for who he is. And what he showed me is that when he says he is offering his sons blood for the sins of the world, it includes Israel. The gospel message is not at the cost of the Jewish people, they are actually the 'goal' of the gospel of restoration.

Non-believing Jews are just as much ignorant of God's will as we all were at some point in time. Yet, they are still fully able to receive what was promised to them from the beginning. As long as there is air to breath. It is God's will that all of them should come to Jesus, as much the same as for those in the nations. I also believe we have a huge example of how much God loves and waits for Israel to become his own again.

The God of Israel loved the world so much that he gave his only son as an offering and a banner, so that all who believe in him may be saved. How does this effect Israel? God offers all things to and through Israel, first. He gave Israel the Word, scattered her to the four winds of heaven, then sent the Spirit into the world, that as they themselves come to God they should bring back all the children of Israel with them. As an offering.

God is glorified in the restoration of Israel, as a nation and a people. It's at the heart of his Word, and the actual goal of Jesus message. The restoration of the gentiles leads to the restoration of Israel. Both united as one in the Kingdom to come.

ALL Israel is not replaced, she is not forsaken, she will be restored as new. I do not believe many in the church have properly understood the message of salvation when they preach a message of being forsaken and replaced by a spiritual people to the physical children of Israel. They act as if the Spirit is not going to do the same thing to and for the Jewish peole as he does for those in the nations.

The message to non-believing Jews shouldn't 'leave all you know and become a Christian'. If God meets you where you're at, why won't he do the same for the Jewish people? I was never moved by the turn or burn message. Well, maybe moved the opposite direction. But in the end, a negative message will always precipitate a negative response.

As I mentioned earlier, we have a huge example of love and mercy in the form of a sacrifice. His arms went out to all, met all where they were, said come to me in the most loving manner possible. Even at his own cost. His example is ours, as His Spirit is ours. I see many say they claim to walk as he did, even point out all the ways he walked, yet never seem to be able to mirror his image. Sadly, the very way they make their claims negates the image of the Holy One. One should never lord over another in anything. Especially when it comes to the children of Israel. Sadly, many who claim to be Christian mock the very people God says he loves most. And they act like Israel mocking Joseph. And we know how that story ends...

Thank you for your response, it was good to hear from you and I thank God for your testimony. I am sure God will use you, his will to do. May He richly bless you and keep you. So be it Lord.

 

[WalkingTree]

The plain reading of the text is different for the people with the vail in place versus those who have had the vail removed.

Vail not gone = work at the law

Vail gone = rest in Christ

We agree in that the text remains, it's the reading that is different for the people.

But, as long as one pits the law against the work at the cross one will continue to misconstrue the message. The law is not against the promises. Simply put, salvation does not come through the law. But through Christ who is revealed (unveiled) through the Spirit. The promises all come through the Messiah, as foretold and patterned through the law and the prophets.

Do you believe Jesus represented the law who was nailed to the cross? I know I don't see it that way, I see the curses of the law being hung and cast away. But even if you see Jesus as the law nailed to the cross, was he resurrected? Do you see him as taking the law down to hell in his death and returning to life without any representation of it? Or can you not see how he took the ministration of the old covenant down to death and resurrected it to newness of life in the new covenant? The law is not the focal point of what was removed, the sins of the law were. And yes, if the sins are removed there is no law against us. ONLY IF the you remain united with the Spirit. Otherwise the very same law which still exists will condemn us all. So it was the sins that were removed by the Spirit who in turn removes our veils allowing us to see clearly the message of Messiah. Not because he acts like a magic spy glass but because he lives and dwells within you on a daily basis. Leading and keeping us all till the day of our redemption to eternal life.

Speak love not hate, speak kindness not rejection, speak to them words of restoration instead of destruction. And watch the difference!

 

[Grandpa]

Being a Jewish Christian I too have a heart for Israel. But not so much because it's my heritage but because of what the Messiah has shown me in the scriptures. I believe when the veil is lifted we see the Messiah for who he is. And what he showed me is that when he says he is offering his sons blood for the sins of the world, it includes Israel. The gospel message is not at the cost of the Jewish people, they are actually the 'goal' of the gospel of restoration.

Non-believing Jews are just as much ignorant of God's will as we all were at some point in time. Yet, they are still fully able to receive what was promised to them from the beginning. As long as there is air to breath. It is God's will that all of them should come to Jesus, as much the same as for those in the nations. I also believe we have a huge example of how much God loves and waits for Israel to become his own again.

The God of Israel loved the world so much that he gave his only son as an offering and a banner, so that all who believe in him may be saved. How does this effect Israel? God offers all things to and through Israel, first. He gave Israel the Word, scattered her to the four winds of heaven, then sent the Spirit into the world, that as they themselves come to God they should bring back all the children of Israel with them. As an offering.

God is glorified in the restoration of Israel, as a nation and a people. It's at the heart of his Word, and the actual goal of Jesus message. The restoration of the gentiles leads to the restoration of Israel. Both united as one in the Kingdom to come.

ALL Israel is not replaced, she is not forsaken, she will be restored as new. I do not believe many in the church have properly understood the message of salvation when they preach a message of being forsaken and replaced by a spiritual people to the physical children of Israel. They act as if the Spirit is not going to do the same thing to and for the Jewish peole as he does for those in the nations.

The message to non-believing Jews shouldn't 'leave all you know and become a Christian'. If God meets you where you're at, why won't he do the same for the Jewish people? I was never moved by the turn or burn message. Well, maybe moved the opposite direction. But in the end, a negative message will always precipitate a negative response.

As I mentioned earlier, we have a huge example of love and mercy in the form of a sacrifice. His arms went out to all, met all where they were, said come to me in the most loving manner possible. Even at his own cost. His example is ours, as His Spirit is ours. I see many say they claim to walk as he did, even point out all the ways he walked, yet never seem to be able to mirror his image. Sadly, the very way they make their claims negates the image of the Holy One. One should never lord over another in anything. Especially when it comes to the children of Israel. Sadly, many who claim to be Christian mock the very people God says he loves most. And they act like Israel mocking Joseph. And we know how that story ends...

Deuteronomy 7:6-7
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

1 Corinthians 1:26-29
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.


Galatians 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Its not mocking to say that present day people who practice Judaism are not Gods Blessed People. Its just Biblical and Spiritual Truth.

Those who practice Christianity in Spirit and Truth are Gods Blessed People.

Of course those who practice Judaism don't want to hear it. Of course they don't want to convert to another religion. Especially when they have people from other religions telling them that God Loves them most of all just because of their parental lineage.


Does this mean that I am an anti-Semite? No, of course not. I automatically root for the under-dog. I am always rooting for little Israel situated in the middle of Islamic hate.

Just like I am always rooting for un-believers to come to Christ. In the midst of the satanic lies.

 

[Grandpa]

We agree in that the text remains, it's the reading that is different for the people.

But, as long as one pits the law against the work at the cross one will continue to misconstrue the message. The law is not against the promises. Simply put, salvation does not come through the law. But through Christ who is revealed (unveiled) through the Spirit. The promises all come through the Messiah, as foretold and patterned through the law and the prophets.

Do you believe Jesus represented the law who was nailed to the cross? I know I don't see it that way, I see the curses of the law being hung and cast away. But even if you see Jesus as the law nailed to the cross, was he resurrected? Do you see him as taking the law down to hell in his death and returning to life without any representation of it? Or can you not see how he took the ministration of the old covenant down to death and resurrected it to newness of life in the new covenant? The law is not the focal point of what was removed, the sins of the law were. And yes, if the sins are removed there is no law against us. ONLY IF the you remain united with the Spirit. Otherwise the very same law which still exists will condemn us all. So it was the sins that were removed by the Spirit who in turn removes our veils allowing us to see clearly the message of Messiah. Not because he acts like a magic spy glass but because he lives and dwells within you on a daily basis. Leading and keeping us all till the day of our redemption to eternal life.

Speak love not hate, speak kindness not rejection, speak to them words of restoration instead of destruction. And watch the difference!

No. The Lord Jesus didn't represent the Law nor the curse of the law when He was nailed to the Cross.

He represented the Passover Lamb whose blood was to be put on the sides and the top and bottom of the doors so that the Angel of Death would Pass over His People.

The Lord Jesus Christ represented Grace in ALL that He did and accomplished.


I don't speak hate, although the tearing down of strongholds that people love that stand in the way of the One True God could possibly be seen as hate.

I know that the law is a MAJOR stumbling point for those who practice Judaism. I don't see any way around it but by the Truth.

 

[WalkingTree]

Of course those who practice Judaism don't want to hear it. Of course they don't want to convert to another religion.

I believe this is because Jesus didn't come to start another religion. And to teach so does an injustice to both non-believing Jews and Jesus himself. It's counter to the gospel message.

Which would have worked better to engage you? Pointing out every statement of replacement theology as if to say you are not really speaking God's word so you obviously are not filled with the Spirit, the veil remains? Or to simply point to the positive affirmations given by Jesus and throughout the bible that speak otherwise, and doing so in a way that conveys I see you as my equal, despite our differences?

They are God's people Grandpa. As much as all your non-believing friends and relatives. If God judged you by the same measure you would have no chance. Praise God for being our example of mercy and love. When we focus on him we realize the love he has for others, and love covers a multitude of sins.

I believe we are called to preach a message of restoration. So instead of saying to them 'we are going to have to tare your house down and rebuild a new one', I think we should be saying to them ' we are going to lead you to the One you knew from the beginning and he will give you all you need now and in the future'.

Grandpa, I think you understand much, but miss out on much as well. Isn't that the way of life though? Should I turn on you for your perceived faults, or turn to help you in any way possible? Which one would you reach for? A smack-down, or a hand-up? Truth is truth, yes. But love is ……..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I believe this is because Jesus didn't come to start another religion. And to teach so does an injustice to both non-believing Jews and Jesus himself. It's counter to the gospel message.

Which would have worked better to engage you? Pointing out every statement of replacement theology as if to say you are not really speaking God's word so you obviously are not filled with the Spirit, the veil remains? Or to simply point to the positive affirmations given by Jesus and throughout the bible that speak otherwise, and doing so in a way that conveys I see you as my equal, despite our differences?

They are God's people Grandpa. As much as all your non-believing friends and relatives. If God judged you by the same measure you would have no chance. Praise God for being our example of mercy and love. When we focus on him we realize the love he has for others, and love covers a multitude of sins.

I believe we are called to preach a message of restoration. So instead of saying to them 'we are going to have to tare your house down and rebuild a new one', I think we should be saying to them ' we are going to lead you to the One you knew from the beginning and he will give you all you need now and in the future'.

Grandpa, I think you understand much, but miss out on much as well. Isn't that the way of life though? Should I turn on you for your perceived faults, or turn to help you in any way possible? Which one would you reach for? A smack-down, or a hand-up? Truth is truth, yes. But love is ……..

They may be gods people, but as paul said, they are enemies of the gospel in their present state.

 

[WalkingTree]

I don't speak hate, although the tearing down of strongholds that people love that stand in the way of the One True God could possibly be seen as hate.

Yes. if it's not done by the power of the Spirit within you it does.

I know that the law is a MAJOR stumbling point for those who practice Judaism. I don't see any way around it but by the Truth.

Tough love huh? Have you not learned that the way you judge others is the way you will be judged? And what that really means?

Those who follow Judaism=not blessed people of God
Those who follow Christianity=blessed people of God

This is your judgement. Please show me where God made such a judgement? Though it reminds me of Paul's teaching about the branches being broke off and grafted in, and about mocking the others who were broken off (Romans 11). Are you sure you want to hold to this type of judgement?

 

[WalkingTree]

They may be gods people, but as paul said, they are enemies of the gospel in their present state.

And he didn't point that out so they should be treated as such, he pointed out that their position caused the ability for the gentiles to attain their own position. Besides, aren't we to love our enemies as ourselves?

 

[Grandpa]

I believe this is because Jesus didn't come to start another religion. And to teach so does an injustice to both non-believing Jews and Jesus himself. It's counter to the gospel message.

Which would have worked better to engage you? Pointing out every statement of replacement theology as if to say you are not really speaking God's word so you obviously are not filled with the Spirit, the veil remains? Or to simply point to the positive affirmations given by Jesus and throughout the bible that speak otherwise, and doing so in a way that conveys I see you as my equal, despite our differences?

They are God's people Grandpa. As much as all your non-believing friends and relatives. If God judged you by the same measure you would have no chance. Praise God for being our example of mercy and love. When we focus on him we realize the love he has for others, and love covers a multitude of sins.

I believe we are called to preach a message of restoration. So instead of saying to them 'we are going to have to tare your house down and rebuild a new one', I think we should be saying to them ' we are going to lead you to the One you knew from the beginning and he will give you all you need now and in the future'.

Grandpa, I think you understand much, but miss out on much as well. Isn't that the way of life though? Should I turn on you for your perceived faults, or turn to help you in any way possible? Which one would you reach for? A smack-down, or a hand-up? Truth is truth, yes. But love is ……..

Yes. I think you understand much as well, but miss out on much too. Which is the whole reason why I was showing you what I was showing you.

How can people who practice Judaism come to Christ when He is an offense to them?

Is it better to water down the Truth of the gospel to try to trick them into some sort of faux-judeo-Christianity??

Or is it better to just show the Full Truth?

Like the difference between pulling the band-aid off really slowly or just tearing it away in one quick swoop.


Their house is already torn down. Unfortunately, for them and the silly people who think they are doing them favors by not telling them, they can't see it.

Do we help them to see or do we play to their vanity and blindness?


I will tell you that the Lord Jesus Christ didn't help me by playing to my vanity and blindness. He Helped me by showing me the Truth.

Matthew 23:37-39
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And he didn't point that out so they should be treated as such, he pointed out that their position caused the ability for the gentiles to attain their own position. Besides, aren't we to love our enemies as ourselves?

We should treat them like we would anyone, if saved treat them as our brothers and sisters, if lost, share gods love with them

 

[Grandpa]

Yes. if it's not done by the power of the Spirit within you it does.

Tough love huh? Have you not learned that the way you judge others is the way you will be judged? And what that really means?

Those who follow Judaism=not blessed people of God
Those who follow Christianity=blessed people of God

This is your judgement. Please show me where God made such a judgement? Though it reminds me of Paul's teaching about the branches being broke off and grafted in, and about mocking the others who were broken off (Romans 11). Are you sure you want to hold to this type of judgement?

I still don't understand how you see the Truth as mocking. Its not like I'm going into synagogues and saying "HA HA".

But since you asked for it...

Galatians 3:10-14
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Those who practice Judaism are under the curse.

Christ is the ONLY one that can redeem them/us from this curse.

Christ didn't take the curse of the law on Himself for those who don't believe in Him. Christ took the curse of the law on Himself for those who DO believe in Him.

John 3:17-18
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


There is only One Way to be a blessed person of God. And that is through the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[WalkingTree]

How can people who practice Judaism come to Christ when He is an offense to them?

Simply put, how did you?

Is it better to water down the Truth of the gospel to try to trick them into some sort of faux-judeo-Christianity??

Or is it better to just show the Full Truth?

Like the difference between pulling the band-aid off really slowly or just tearing it away in one quick swoop.

Not your job to do the tearing though, it's the Spirit's. And the truth is the truth no matter what. One doesn't need to force it or 'hang on this is gonna hurt'. One only has to lead them to the same relationship they themselves have with the Spirit. This is why we are the example. We don't go 'hang on this will hurt'...there's the Truth!!' We show others our relationship with the Holy One of Israel, so causing others to want that type of relationship themselves. Our walk with God through the Spirit Jesus has given us is the only Truth we need. Others need it too, just as much.

Jews will not entertain Christians who talk about truth all day long yet forsake their very existence as Jews. Believe me. However, if you can get a Jew to enter into a real-time relationship with God through the Spirit by coming to faith in Jesus. Then you will have succeeded in the work of God. Because the work of God is to reconcile all to himself. And reconciliation can not occur when guilt is being presented. This is why first Jesus had to come and take away the guilt, the sin. Then all could come to a relationship with God through the Spirit Jesus offered.

 

[WalkingTree]

Yes. I think you understand much as well, but miss out on much too. Which is the whole reason why I was showing you what I was showing you.

How can people who practice Judaism come to Christ when He is an offense to them?

Is it better to water down the Truth of the gospel to try to trick them into some sort of faux-judeo-Christianity??

Or is it better to just show the Full Truth?

Like the difference between pulling the band-aid off really slowly or just tearing it away in one quick swoop.


Their house is already torn down. Unfortunately, for them and the silly people who think they are doing them favors by not telling them, they can't see it.

Do we help them to see or do we play to their vanity and blindness?


I will tell you that the Lord Jesus Christ didn't help me by playing to my vanity and blindness. He Helped me by showing me the Truth.

Matthew 23:37-39
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

By preaching this as a focus you misconstrue the actual message. You gloss over or negate how God is in the process of restoring a desolate house and land. You negate the heart of God as given through the prophets who proclaim the restoration and reconciliation of Israel as a people. You preach half the message, why? And in the name of truth even!? Why would you only focus on the discipline and not the restoration? Why do you choose in your heart to speak destruction to Israel instead of reconciliation? Or to speak reconciliation through destruction?

 

[WalkingTree]

But since you asked for it...

This is mocking btw. Not offended Grandpa, just disappointed that we can't get past this type of communication.

 

[WalkingTree]

Christ is the ONLY one that can redeem them/us from this curse.

Then show them your redeemed spirit in hopes that it will draw others to have the same spirit.

 

[WalkingTree]

There is only One Way to be a blessed person of God. And that is through the Lord Jesus Christ.

Then show Jews their blessings instead of the curses that happen if they reject the blessings.

 

[Grandpa]

Simply put, how did you?

Good question.

I was trying to be pleasing to God by my work at the law. But Christ wasn't an offense to me.

I found out I was not able to keep the law the way the Lord said to in Matthew 5.

So I asked for help.

Which those who practice Judaism should know MUCH better than I do. But don't, strangely.

Not your job to do the tearing though, it's the Spirit's. And the truth is the truth no matter what. One doesn't need to force it or 'hang on this is gonna hurt'. One only has to lead them to the same relationship they themselves have with the Spirit. This is why we are the example. We don't go 'hang on this will hurt'...there's the Truth!!' We show others our relationship with the Holy One of Israel, so causing others to want that type of relationship themselves. Our walk with God through the Spirit Jesus has given us is the only Truth we need. Others need it too, just as much.

Jews will not entertain Christians who talk about truth all day long yet forsake their very existence as Jews. Believe me. However, if you can get a Jew to enter into a real-time relationship with God through the Spirit by coming to faith in Jesus. Then you will have succeeded in the work of God. Because the work of God is to reconcile all to himself. And reconciliation can not occur when guilt is being presented. This is why first Jesus had to come and take away the guilt, the sin. Then all could come to a relationship with God through the Spirit Jesus offered. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Yes. I 100% agree with you here.

I was probably coming off a little high and mighty, which I am really not.

Its just not always easy to get people to see certain things. Especially when they have preconceived notions.

 

[WalkingTree]

John 3:17-18
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 “Now this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world and men loved the darkness instead of the light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the light and does not come to the light, so that their deeds will not be exposed. 21 But whoever practices the truth comes to the light, so that it may be made known that his deeds have been accomplished in God.”

Our witness to them is to practice the truth which brings 'us' into the light so making known to others that the deeds we practice are all accomplished by God himself. This is the witness that will lead others to Christ.

 

[Grandpa]

This is mocking btw. Not offended Grandpa, just disappointed that we can't get past this type of communication.

You are pretty thin skinned to think of that as mocking.

You asked a question and I answered it with scripture.

Please show me where God made such a judgement?