Not By Works

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Wansvic said:
This has nothing to do with works. Obedience to what is commanded is the key.
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Obedience is works, it it is done to earn a wage, such as say, salvation,

The fact is no matter how hard you try, you will never be obedient enough to earn salvation, the summ total of your righteous deeds will still fall so far short of Gods standard, you can never make it up.

Thus the need for grace.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Do you obey 24/7/365.....NO you don't........and salvation is based upon faith, is eternally given and cannot be lost.....Sanctification is an ongoing process, subject to successes and failures and the ONLY man to be 100% obedient was Christ and is exactly why his righteousness is applied by FAITH......
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Amen his righteousness is applied by FAITH as a work God that he performed as a three day labor of his love. So then we are saved by works but not of our own selves .Faith is the gift by which can hear and then believe as a result of hearing.

Before we heard the voice of our salvation we had no faith, not little but none. (faithless, unbelief)

Romans 11:32 King James Version (KJV) For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
 
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Wansvic said:
What does "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" mean in Philippians 2:12 if not what it says?
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The term work out is actually a mining term, it means to work out the gems you are trying to mine, so they can be used, the gems are already there but unless they are worked out or mined, they will not produce
 
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dcontroversal said:
Do you obey 24/7/365.....NO you don't........and salvation is based upon faith, is eternally given and cannot be lost.....Sanctification is an ongoing process, subject to successes and failures and the ONLY man to be 100% obedient was Christ and is exactly why his righteousness is applied by FAITH......
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Our responsibility is to obey all that is within our ability and to continue walking with our Lord.
 
blue_ladybug said:
Are you calling God a liar? Or a mistake-maker? If He has put your (general your) name in His book of life, He won't scribble it out. God is not a God of mistakes or "oops" moments..
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The words recorded in Rev 3:5 were spoken by Jesus.
 
Wansvic said:
This has nothing to do with works. Obedience to what is commanded is the key.
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The commandment is to hear God and obey by believing God. And not hear and not believe..( faithless)

God's word does not offer suggestions. They are loving commandments that can quicken our soul to give us His understanding so that then we can seek after him.

Previosly having no faith by which we could seek his unseen presence.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
The term work out is actually a mining term, it means to work out the gems you are trying to mine, so they can be used, the gems are already there but unless they are worked out or mined, they will not produce
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Exactly. The "gems" of salvation are there for the finding.
 
Wansvic said:
The words recorded in Rev 3:5 were spoken by Jesus.
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This is your post from the previous page:

Jesus mentions we are to endure until the end; continue to walk in obedience to His Word and ways until our time is fulfilled one way or another.

Rev 3:5 indicates that a name in the book of life can be blotted out.

"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." Rev 12:10-11


NOWHERE in those verses does it state that a name can be blotted out of the book of Life. Absolutely nowhere. It talks only about satan, and how he was overcame by us and God. Not a single mention of names getting blotted out.
 
dcontroversal said:
It means to fit it out......just like a Roman soldier would armor up, lace up his boot, strap on a shield and pick up his sword.........it is not saying to work for it or work to keep it.....we are to go on to MATURITY, GROW UP, become spiritually mature and be transformed by the renewing of the mind.....and that is what he is talking about.....

Since you are saved, now work it out, exercise it, grow, mature, become spiritually fitted out to be used of God!
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I see the worker for gave me a red x on the above truth......that is ok......workers for cannot accept the truth.....
 
blue_ladybug said:
This is your post from the previous page:

Jesus mentions we are to endure until the end; continue to walk in obedience to His Word and ways until our time is fulfilled one way or another.

Rev 3:5 indicates that a name in the book of life can be blotted out.

"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." Rev 12:10-11


NOWHERE in those verses does it state that a name can be blotted out of the book of Life. Absolutely nowhere. It talks only about satan, and how he was overcame by us and God. Not a single mention of names getting blotted out.
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One could understand Jesus comment to indicate that there is a possibility that a name could be blotted out.
Rev 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
KJV
 
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