Praying in Tongues

[CS1]

No narrative needed - the scripture quoted spoke for itself:
Those who do not have the Spirit will mock those who do have the Spirit. "But ye, beloved, (HAVING THE SPIRIT) building up yourselves on your most holy faith, PRAYING IN THE HOLY GHOST, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. (Jude 17-21)

thank you what the word of God says.

 

[garee]

I've basically written you off garee, but perhaps God has not

you are doing the work of an enemy of God. I could not be more serious and right now, I would even consider if you are an actual troll who has masqueraded as a saved person.

may God have mercy on what you are doing here. you destroy or try to destroy the credible witness of those who acknowledge the Holy Spirit and you distort and twist what they post and what you do to scripture, the incredible false interpretations you post, are without doubt, the worst I have seen or heard anywhere, and that includes each and every person who is anti-tongues.

who actually moves your hand here? it is most certainly not God. I am putting you back on ignore because your posts are blasphemous in my opinion and I guess others can do the same. I do know one thing...if everyone would quit responding to you and giving you the attention you seem to crave, your impact here would fade away. that would be most desirable IMO

I would think I offer my opinions as you do one at a time. Its not my goal to be different, It is what it is .Personally I enjoy the differences we do have like fingerprints. My bias in respect to parables is one difference.

Remember it is God who does make us differ from another . In that way we show we understand ... what does each of us have that we have not received and if we have freely received it why would we boast as if we have not?

I am not anti tongues (God bringing His word prophecy in other language's other than Hebrew alone.)

I am just sure what the sign confirms as to what it represents . Why are you anti appealing to the foundation of tongues in Isaiah 28. How will you even determine what tongues are and what they confirm without first looking to the foundation.?

From my perspective you distort and twist the doctrine of Tongues turning it upside down and in doing so take away his interpretation.

 

[garee]

No narrative needed - the scripture quoted spoke for itself:
Those who do not have the Spirit will mock those who do have the Spirit. "But ye, beloved, (HAVING THE SPIRIT) building up yourselves on your most holy faith, PRAYING IN THE HOLY GHOST, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. (Jude 17-21)

I would agree .But what is praying in the Spirit of Christ, if it is not God inspireing the words as prophecy? All of the prayers in scripture is prophecy with words easy to understand.

 

[Matthew55]

Maybe you should try studying 1Cor 14 and its context...

A clue, the context is stated in 1Cor 14v19: "yet in the church..."

Paul esteemed the gift of tongues very highly and used it at great length in private prayer! 1Cor 14v18...

1 Corinthians 14:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

This does not indicate he used his gift of toungues in private prayer.
He may have, but I would have expected from your scripture to say "I speak in tongues more than ye all, and especially in my prayers.
But it does not. Any other scripture that mentions tongues in prayer?

 

[Dino246]

garee said: The Holy Spirit uses the word apostle in the same way he uses the words tribes .

Dino 246 inquired...Where? What verse

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, ...

And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb Revelation 21

The Holy Spirit is using "apostle" in the same way He uses "tribe" only in the sense of referring to both of them... not in any comparative or relative sense. The gates have the names of the tribes written on them, and the foundations have the names of the apostles written on them. The names of... not the "word". There is no other linguistic connection.

 

[Dino246]

What do you call one that is sent with nothing but his own person? A apostle?

What I call them is irrelevant. What Scripture calls them is very relevant. Scripture calls apostles "apostles", and Scripture calls prophets "prophets". Never are they conflated.

The root of your confusion is your insistence that "prophecy" = "word of God" and vice versa. While not wrong in a general sense, it is also not accurate in the strict sense. What Paul preached was "gospel", not "prophecy". What Agabus revealed was "prophecy", not "gospel".

Until you accept the distinction, you will continue to be confused about the truth of these matters. As it is, you can't seem to grasp certain aspects of truth because you are blinded by your conflations and the definitions that you apply much too broadly.

 

[garee]

The Holy Spirit is using "apostle" in the same way He uses "tribe" only in the sense of referring to both of them... not in any comparative or relative sense. The gates have the names of the tribes written on them, and the foundations have the names of the apostles written on them. The names of... not the "word". There is no other linguistic connection.

When we compare the walls of the city in respect to apostle, as the bride of Christ compared to the gates as tribes as the same bride of Christ together they make up the one bride of Christ, the church. In a comparative or relative sense.

What God joins together Satan separates . And what God call separate Satan call together. No difference between a Jew and gentile .

I would think. There is a linguistic connection between the bride and the bride.

 

[garee]

What I call them is irrelevant. What Scripture calls them is very relevant. Scripture calls apostles "apostles", and Scripture calls prophets "prophets". Never are they conflated.

The root of your confusion is your insistence that "prophecy" = "word of God" and vice versa. While not wrong in a general sense, it is also not accurate in the strict sense. What Paul preached was "gospel", not "prophecy". What Agabus revealed was "prophecy", not "gospel".

Until you accept the distinction, you will continue to be confused about the truth of these matters. As it is, you can't seem to grasp certain aspects of truth because you are blinded by your conflations and the definitions that you apply much too broadly.

So then what is prophecy without the gospel?

Scripture calls apostles "apostles", and Scripture calls prophets "prophets". Can't have one without the other

What Paul preached was "gospel", which is prophecy, the word of God . The gospel beginning with Genesis 1 …….

Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The gospel ends with

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.Revelation 22.18-21

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen......Good news?

 

[Kavik]

It's easy. Just keep repeating (really fast) ... I wanna buy a honda ... a honda wanna buy a ... I wanna buy a honda.

Actually, Yellowcanary is not too far off the mark – in some cases; certainly not all.

Many pastors will instruct an aspiring tongues-speaker to start by just 'babbling' and offer a number of phrases to get them started; the “woulda-shoulda-coulda-bought-a-honda” type phrases are rather typical. The idea is to keep uttering the nonsense phrase until the ‘tongue’ just start to flow without effort (then dispense with the nonsense phrase as s/he won't need it any longer). I believe in these circles the concept is referred to a “priming the pump”. This is also the methodology seen in a lot of “how-to” videos put out by some churches.

I have to wonder if they realize that they’re not doing themselves any favours in promoting the validity of ‘tongues’.

 

[stonesoffire]

well we tried...

 

[stonesoffire]

Actually, Yellowcanary is not too far off the mark – in some cases; certainly not all.

Many pastors will instruct an aspiring tongues-speaker to start by just 'babbling' and offer a number of phrases to get them started; the “woulda-shoulda-coulda-bought-a-honda” type phrases are rather typical. The idea is to keep uttering the nonsense phrase until the ‘tongue’ just start to flow without effort (then dispense with the nonsense phrase as s/he won't need it any longer). I believe in these circles the concept is referred to a “priming the pump”. This is also the methodology seen in a lot of “how-to” videos put out by some churches.

I have to wonder if they realize that they’re not doing themselves any favours in promoting the validity of ‘tongues’.

Many kavik? You are way off. I never heard any.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Actually, Yellowcanary is not too far off the mark – in some cases; certainly not all.

Many pastors will instruct an aspiring tongues-speaker to start by just 'babbling' and offer a number of phrases to get them started; the “woulda-shoulda-coulda-bought-a-honda” type phrases are rather typical. The idea is to keep uttering the nonsense phrase until the ‘tongue’ just start to flow without effort (then dispense with the nonsense phrase as s/he won't need it any longer). I believe in these circles the concept is referred to a “priming the pump”. This is also the methodology seen in a lot of “how-to” videos put out by some churches.

I have to wonder if they realize that they’re not doing themselves any favours in promoting the validity of ‘tongues’.

well he/she is not too far off your mark actually

what is it you believe?

what spirit is it you follow? it is not the Holy Spirit and yet you continue coming here and offer false interpretations and mock what you do not understand, let alone practice

you aim is to discount tongues and you choose a mocker to display your intent

if it wasn't clear before, it certainly is now

 

[Kavik]

I never heard any.

Try an internet search.

 

[stonesoffire]

Try an internet search.

Well, there's the problem Kavik. An honest seeker of the Lord will go to church for truth. Not the internet.

 

[Dino246]

So then what is prophecy without the gospel?

Agabus prophesied that there would be a famine in the land. The famine happened. Where is "the gospel" in that? Nowhere! It's a silly question based in inappropriate conflation of terms.

Scripture calls apostles "apostles", and Scripture calls prophets "prophets". Can't have one without the other

I didn't say you couldn't have one without the other; I said they were distinct because Scripture uses them distinctly. Don't twist and corrupt my words.

Please go and look up "fallacy of equivocation". It is at the root of your repeated errors.

 

[Kavik]

Well, there's the problem Kavik. An honest seeker of the Lord will go to church for truth. Not the internet.

Okay - perhaps not well stated.

Let's put it this way, the number of books, articles and videos on "how to speak in tongues", and the like, that are readily available is surprising. The methodology used in by far the majority I've looked at, is the same: "priming the pump" (or some similar phrase) by means of reciting a nonsense string of syllables until the 'tongue' flows effortlessly. Might only be a few words at first, but gradually 'fluency' will develop. This appears to be the preferred method with respect to "how to" type material for the would-be tongues-speaker.

 

[Wansvic]

1 Corinthians 14:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

This does not indicate he used his gift of toungues in private prayer.
He may have, but I would have expected from your scripture to say "I speak in tongues more than ye all, and especially in my prayers.
But it does not. Any other scripture that mentions tongues in prayer?

The following indicates speaking to God and edifying oneself in an unknown tongue. Personal tongues is our spirit praying to God's Spirit:
"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Cor 14:2
1 Cor 14:4
"He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

The 15th verse of the same chapter indicates Paul prayed and sang with the spirit (meaning tongues)
"What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." 1 Cor 14:15

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Okay - perhaps not well stated.

Let's put it this way, the number of books, articles and videos on "how to speak in tongues", and the like, that are readily available is surprising. The methodology used in by far the majority I've looked at, is the same: "priming the pump" (or some similar phrase) by means of reciting a nonsense string of syllables until the 'tongue' flows effortlessly. Might only be a few words at first, but gradually 'fluency' will develop. This appears to be the preferred method with respect to "how to" type material for the would-be tongues-speaker.

again your lack of knowledge is observed kavik

you have changed tongues to languages and have tried to show that Paul meant languages and not tongues. you posted a list of languages you thought Paul might have spoken to attempt to discredit, yet again...your default position...that tongues is just so much manufactured gibberish

however, why would Paul state he wished that all spoke in languages? that would be contextually out of sync with the rest of what he states and the Bible does not say how many languages Paul spoke, but probably more than one or even two. but it is still all conjecture on your part

there would be 0 reason in almost every case that the congregants Paul was writing to would have any necessity to speak in several actual languages although 2 seems reasonable; but these people were not church planters, evangelists or apostles, and not travelling into different countries and needing to speak different languages. so while you wish languages was the right fit, in accordance with your personal agenda here, it makes little sense

as for an internet search, I can find anything I want, as can anyone else, to substantiate my beliefs and thousands of reasons why tongues is fake and thousands of reasons why it is not

however, unlike folks here, you do not have a frame of reference for what you believe because you do not believe

 

[7seasrekeyed]

at any rate, this thread is about praying in tongues but it seems that exact op has not been addressed very much

of course detractors will tell you that must be interpreted also but that is not what Paul says and not what is indicated

 

[CherieR]

Actually, Yellowcanary is not too far off the mark – in some cases; certainly not all.

Many pastors will instruct an aspiring tongues-speaker to start by just 'babbling' and offer a number of phrases to get them started; the “woulda-shoulda-coulda-bought-a-honda” type phrases are rather typical. The idea is to keep uttering the nonsense phrase until the ‘tongue’ just start to flow without effort (then dispense with the nonsense phrase as s/he won't need it any longer). I believe in these circles the concept is referred to a “priming the pump”. This is also the methodology seen in a lot of “how-to” videos put out by some churches.

I have to wonder if they realize that they’re not doing themselves any favours in promoting the validity of ‘tongues’.

I would be skeptical if someone said they learned speaking in tongues by getting tongue tied or in this way you have described. The disciples at Pentecost did not have to learn how to speak in tongues, no training whatsoever, they just did it because the Holy Spirit enabled them to.