Praying in Tongues

[CherieR]

ok

I get what you are saying

I certainly agree with the bolded part above of your post, but we are talking, or maybe just me, past each other

let me try again

I am trying to convey that speaking in tongues does not make you better than others but behavior is not a judge either

we need both. we need to be filled with the Holy Spirit and follow Christ. it is a matter of sanctification and not instant in either case

for sure there are Christians who are stunted in growth for whatever reason and those who are wrong in how they use speaking in tongues

so again, I say that the Bible is the clear indicator and that is how we should model ourselves

better?

It is important to be filled with the Spirit as well as follow Jesus. Perhaps some don't speak in tongues but have different gifting of the Spirit like faith or serving, teaching etc. My mom does not speak in tongues but is a believer and I consider her to be wise, caring, someone to model after in different ways and that I look up to. I have also known people who practice speaking in tongues who I considered godly and joyful.

 

[wolfwint]

I never said it was. I am saying that when those who received the Holy in the book of ACTS DID SO BY THE WAY THE BOOK OF ACTS tell they did. Just practicing free vacillation as you by saying " that is not Proof" or "CS1 did not show any proof " is not even a valid claim. Can you please show me in scripture what else happens to those who had hands laid on them and they spoke in tongues or prophesied recorded in the Book of Acts? And while you're at it, why did they lay hands on them anyway and when they did, what was it they say to them?

Well, there is a gap between the apostolic time and lets say the beginning of the pentecostal movement. In this gap it seems not that this what you mentioned was in the churchhistory, except in some cults which i would not see as reprasentative.
For the apostolic time it was as we van find on the letters of Paul. But after the death of John. Anyhow this stopped.
It seems that you see that between the apostolic time and the time when the pentecostal movement began was no time. Then I would understand your view. And would say I agree with you. Although i cant see an connection between acts 2, 10 and 19 to 1.cor.12-14.
Further I find the thinking in the movements that to be full with the spirit ore anointet with the spirit speaks from very pure/ holy believers.
But the Corinthians with their many spirituell gifts seem anything else then pure and holy and spirituel.

I understand that the Holy Spirit is giving the gifts according he will. Independ from an 2nd expierience with the Holy Spirit, what many call baptism with the Holy Spirit.
I got my gift when I became christian.

Becausr I cant find pentecostal and charismatic teaching with all the side effects in the bible as teaching for the church. I dont belueve that it is for today.
Some mention Joel 2 as fullfillment and reason for the pentecostal movement but takeing this textpassage out of the context.
Should i then no doubting that this teaching is from God?

 

[notuptome]

hahahaha look in the mirror guy

Yes the mirror of 1 Cor 13:12.

Not human vanity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Oncefallen]

Guys (and gals), you all know I do my darndest to stay out of the BDF but when I see a mound of reported posts from one thread I gotta at least stick my nose through the door for a minute. I know this particular topic can be contentious but there is no reason that it can't be discussed civilly without the name calling.

 

[CS1]

Well, there is a gap between the apostolic time and lets say the beginning of the pentecostal movement. In this gap it seems not that this what you mentioned was in the churchhistory, except in some cults which i would not see as reprasentative.
For the apostolic time it was as we van find on the letters of Paul. But after the death of John. Anyhow this stopped.
It seems that you see that between the apostolic time and the time when the pentecostal movement began was no time. Then I would understand your view. And would say I agree with you. Although i cant see an connection between acts 2, 10 and 19 to 1.cor.12-14.
Further I find the thinking in the movements that to be full with the spirit ore anointet with the spirit speaks from very pure/ holy believers.
But the Corinthians with their many spirituell gifts seem anything else then pure and holy and spirituel.

I understand that the Holy Spirit is giving the gifts according he will. Independ from an 2nd expierience with the Holy Spirit, what many call baptism with the Holy Spirit.
I got my gift when I became christian.

Becausr I cant find pentecostal and charismatic teaching with all the side effects in the bible as teaching for the church. I dont belueve that it is for today.
Some mention Joel 2 as fullfillment and reason for the pentecostal movement but takeing this textpassage out of the context.
Should i then no doubting that this teaching is from God?

FYI the God of the Bible is TIMELESS just so you know. And HE is restricted to your time table of events.

 

[CS1]

Yes the mirror of 1 Cor 13:12.

Not human vanity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger[/QUOTE If you are trying to have a discussion with me Please don't. You are a prideful, rude, and insulting person. Your extra-Biblical positions are a waste of my time. You have no Biblical edification for me, then just don't speak to me; as I have asked of you many times many many times before to do. Thank you

 

[garee]

you are wrong again the context of "A" apostle are those who were ones who have seen the Risen Lord and sent by HIM. "a" apostles in the five-fold ministries means sent out one's task-oriented also known as the equipping gifts to the church found in 1cor 12:28 and Eph 4:11.

An apostle is a prophet sent with prophecy to prophesy the word of God .(The function of a apostle )

The word apostle with no other meaning added simply means "sent one". It could be used in sending a child on a mission to the grocery store with a written list that must be obeyed . It is used with those sent with the word of God, as ambassadors of Christ. All Christian are apostles as a kingdom of priest that way

Abel was sent as a ambassador of the lord to his brother Cain as a apostle. Cain who had no faith killed the misperceived competition thinking we did wrestles against flesh and blood and not walk by faith.( out of mind out of sight)

You could say Abel was the first martyr sent as the first apostle as a prophet prophesied the gospel as a ambassador to Christ. His blood cries out in a hope of receiving a new incorruptible body as a member of Christ's bride the church just as us today

And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him Geneisis 4 :8

Apostolic time is any time a person goes out with the gospel of salvation in a hope that Christ will form His Spirit in them.

 

[Dino246]

An apostle is a prophet sent with prophecy to prophesy the word of God .(The function of a apostle )

The word apostle with no other meaning added simply means "sent one". It could be used in sending a child on a mission to the grocery store with a written list that must be obeyed . It is used with those sent with the word of God, as ambassadors of Christ. All Christian are apostles as a kingdom of priest that way.

It baffles me why you seem to ignore plain scripture that gives a perfectly adequate definition of the words, and instead substitute your own, bringing confusion and division. Apostles and prophets are clearly distinguished in Scripture generally, and by Paul specifically. Why do you insist that they are the same thing?

 

[Zoraidarosa]

+++Rediscover praying in Tongues if you have lapsed. Even a few minutes a day will help open your spirit, increase revelation in the Word, and strengthen you...

How do u do that?

 

[garee]

You do need to prove your apostleship SOMEHOW:

2Cor 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

If you think God is giving a person a desire sending them out to bring the truth of His gospel then you are a apostle (sent one). The signs in that parable that follows (not leads) them in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds is they will be given false doctrine that comes from the oral traditions of men and will drink in or take in and contemplate on what the bible calls false prophecy (poison of serpents) but it will not affect them seeing they will no go above that which is written . In that way its not what goes into a man that defiles them but that which comes out... lying spirits as oral traditions of men they make prophecy without effect.. the poison or serpents .

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;Casting out lying spirits as the gospel give them a new tongue. "God's interpretation" . They shall take up serpents; and if they "drink any deadly thing", it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.Mark 16: 16-20


Psalm 58:4Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;

like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear; refuse to hear and believe peophecy

Take up serpents; and if they"drink any deadly thing" = false gospel

Psalm 140:They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips. Selah.

Take up serpents; and if they"drink any deadly thing"= false gospel

Romans 3:13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

Take up serpents; and if they"drink any deadly thing"= false gospel

James 3:8But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

Take up serpents; and if they"drink any deadly thing"= false gospel

If a person refuses to rightly divide the parable like the one in Mark 16 then they will not discover the hidden spiritual understanding . Many sign seekers have died in unbelief drinking literal poison .

 

[garee]

It baffles me why you seem to ignore plain scripture that gives a perfectly adequate definition of the words, and instead substitute your own, bringing confusion and division. Apostles and prophets are clearly distinguished in Scripture generally, and by Paul specifically. Why do you insist that they are the same thing?

Apostles and prophets are clearly distinguished in Scripture , Apostles are prophets sent out with the gospel as one work of faith . He sends them out with the gospel two by two, men and woman alike.

Abel was the first apostle. He was the first martyr who did prophesy the word of God, prophecy.

I understand and know apostles are "sent one"s that bring prophecy . He does not send them out empty handed What he does send does not return void. Apostles are not men who have seen by the lord as eye witnesses(walking by sight) or authoritative, venerable ones.

Did you care to add to the meaning of the word apostle ? How about apostolic succession ?or apostolic time , a few oral traditions ?

The Holy Spirit uses the word apostle in the same way he uses the words tribes . one as gates where we enter into fellowship others as supporting walls, apostles sent out in a hope others will enter in the gates. Both apostles and tribes describe the one bride of Christ

 

[Tim416]

Guys (and gals), you all know I do my darndest to stay out of the BDF but when I see a mound of reported posts from one thread I gotta at least stick my nose through the door for a minute. I know this particular topic can be contentious but there is no reason that it can't be discussed civilly without the name calling.

Ah, I contacted the site twice to tell them you have banned me for life from this website more than once, though nothing was done about it. I was not going to pay to contact you directly. I am sure you mean what you say, and do not say what you do not mean, so bearing that in mind...……..

 

[garee]

How do u do that?

It would seem from my experience just open ones fleshly mind, make a noise and believe the things that are not there. And hope for a wonderment or emotional response according to 1 John as the lust of the flesh, pride of life that which does come by walking by sight hoping his kingdom does come by observation and not faith alone .

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Colossian 2:18

 

[obedienttogod]

“If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14:27‬ ‭ESV‬‬

But Paul said nothing prior nor after concerning the need to be interpreted for the "unknown Tongues."

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For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

 

[wolfwint]

FYI the God of the Bible is TIMELESS just so you know. And HE is restricted to your time table of events.

So, this is True. God is timeless. But he himself limited what he did. Ore do we Live like the prophets of the OT did? Do we perform Miracles like Elia and Elisa?
Ore do you know People in the church which Control the weather, multiply food, turning water into wine? Are you have only health People in your churches? Get everybody healed in your churches which ask for healing?
It is obivious that God used Miracles in specific Times and for specific purposes. If you Read the Bible you find this out.

 

[Demi777]

Yet the kundalini found them and they have embraced it. One doesn’t need to seek the Holy Spirit. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation. I never said don’t lay on hands but test the spirit before accepting anything.

Agreed. Laying on hands can be danger. We are warned not to lay hands on everyone so we do not partake in their sins. Many ppl dont understand it.

 

[garee]

But Paul said nothing prior nor after concerning the need to be interpreted for the "unknown Tongues."

2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

The word unknown was added. The word of God prophecy is understood by both the speaker and the hearer. No middle man. The idea of a man as private interpreter to mediator between God and man is not a biblical teaching. God will not share the glory of his interpretation with the creature But like with flaming swords he guards that idea from ever occurring.

In Acts when Peter spoke in his tongue it was interpreted by the Holy Spirit in many language called tongues, all hearing the same one interpretation of God.

 

[CS1]

An apostle is a prophet sent with prophecy to prophesy the word of God .(The function of a apostle )

The word apostle with no other meaning added simply means "sent one". It could be used in sending a child on a mission to the grocery store with a written list that must be obeyed . It is used with those sent with the word of God, as ambassadors of Christ. All Christian are apostles as a kingdom of priest that way

Abel was sent as a ambassador of the lord to his brother Cain as a apostle. Cain who had no faith killed the misperceived competition thinking we did wrestles against flesh and blood and not walk by faith.( out of mind out of sight)

You could say Abel was the first martyr sent as the first apostle as a prophet prophesied the gospel as a ambassador to Christ. His blood cries out in a hope of receiving a new incorruptible body as a member of Christ's bride the church just as us today

And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him Geneisis 4 :8

Apostolic time is any time a person goes out with the gospel of salvation in a hope that Christ will form His Spirit in them.

the problem is your understanding is not what the NEW Testament says fully. Yes it does mean "sent ones " those sent and called were unique to the calling so the context of the 12 and Paul is very important.

 

[CS1]

So, this is True. God is timeless. But he himself limited what he did. Ore do we Live like the prophets of the OT did? Do we perform Miracles like Elia and Elisa?
Ore do you know People in the church which Control the weather, multiply food, turning water into wine? Are you have only health People in your churches? Get everybody healed in your churches which ask for healing?
It is obivious that God used Miracles in specific Times and for specific purposes. If you Read the Bible you find this out.

what? God limits Himself? Wrong! the word limits and God are not compatible. You hold what God does to your own standard. What a prideful comment, " Do we perform Miracles like Elia and Elisa?" . That has nothing to do with limiting and everything to do with God will. Which is not limited. You have placed a false standard on what you say God or people of God need to do for it to be accepted as a miracle. Wrong.

 

[yellowcanary]

How do u do that?

It's easy. Just keep repeating (really fast) ... I wanna buy a honda ... a honda wanna buy a ... I wanna buy a honda.