Look what flew out of Israel into Syria

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
O

obedienttogod

Guest
#21
Praise Jesus, I'm excited for you!:) This goes beyond the Nicene council. Look at at the Jewish Tanakh the Psalms are all the same, very few differences they argue Ps 22:16 is 17, kind of fishy.
Job 13:27 and Joshua 13:27 in the Tanakh are the same exact as every Christian Bible and they have nothing to do with the council of Nicea.
The Psalms were documented as being ordered by Peter in the book of Acts
Act_13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.


Knowing the Jews already had the Torah Scrolls and could argue differences based upon that alone, is most likely why the Council did not change much to them. Where those were changed, would have been during the time of translation.

Example:
The word Lucifer is a Latin Vulgate word from a language that literally did not exist during the time Isaiah wrote his inspired masterpiece (which was written in 100% Hebrew/Aramaic). But yet, preachers preach that Lucifer is Satan, and this is absolutely false and incorrect!!
 
O

obedienttogod

Guest
#22
Im currently selling an invisible bridge. Its in excellent condition.


Doubt you have the ability to sell ice cream to children on a hot sunny day, in all honesty!!
 
O

obedienttogod

Guest
#23
In fact, claiming Lucifer = Satan is a double negative and both are absolutely wrong.

All throughout the Torah, Satan is called the Adversary (אויב). Even Yeshua uses the word (אויב) to describe the person falling from heaven as lightning.

But translation gave the word Adversary (אויב) specific names. If you actually met the Adversary (אויב) and called him Lucifer/Satan, he would probably laugh at you like you are a total moron!!
 

tanakh

Senior Member
Dec 1, 2015
4,635
1,041
113
77
#24
My specialized job deals with mathematical formations from calculus, trigonometry, geometry, scientific, and the various formulas. But this type of mathematics, to which this person in the video is doing by multiplying the chapter to verse, and then taking the answer and searching the entire Bible for like matches. And when a match of the exact number is found, especially in every example I saw from BOTH VIDEOS, it all related to the end time prophecies of Daniel and Revelation. So, I have a feeling about something that goes all the way back to the Nicene Council, and the discussion of which Books to keep and which Books to omit from the Canon. I am going to take these numbers from the Book of Psalms (on my own study), and apply them also to missing Books like that of Jasher and especially Enoch (since we know Christ quoted Enoch and Jude (brother of Yeshua) uses Enoch in his 1 page Book)(plus Enoch chapter 1 states the same thing as both Daniel and Revelation).

And if I find exact matches like I figured out how this person from the video was doing his math, and then cross examination, in either Jasher or especially Enoch... it would definitely prove to me what I had expected from that Council all along.

But more importantly, one of the greatest mathematician of all time "Galileo" claimed, "Mathematics is the Alphabet by which God wrote the Universe with," definitely applies to how God used the Nicene Council to be inspired, by how they chose to Chapter the Books and number the verses, so it could be possible to create this mathematical formula of Chapter times verse...and then cross examine the answer to matches throughout the Bible.

I want to shout and praise God, it's nice to see a new mathematical formula. In Job, God said He stretched a line (tape measure) to measure the universe. So I have always been aware of God's ability in mathematics. But this new formula just reveals an even DEEPER CREATIVE side of God, I was totally unaware of. I am literally tickled pink over this!!

WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO PRAISE YOU YAHWEH!!
The Nicene Council never created the Chapter and verses in the Bible
My specialized job deals with mathematical formations from calculus, trigonometry, geometry, scientific, and the various formulas. But this type of mathematics, to which this person in the video is doing by multiplying the chapter to verse, and then taking the answer and searching the entire Bible for like matches. And when a match of the exact number is found, especially in every example I saw from BOTH VIDEOS, it all related to the end time prophecies of Daniel and Revelation. So, I have a feeling about something that goes all the way back to the Nicene Council, and the discussion of which Books to keep and which Books to omit from the Canon. I am going to take these numbers from the Book of Psalms (on my own study), and apply them also to missing Books like that of Jasher and especially Enoch (since we know Christ quoted Enoch and Jude (brother of Yeshua) uses Enoch in his 1 page Book)(plus Enoch chapter 1 states the same thing as both Daniel and Revelation).

And if I find exact matches like I figured out how this person from the video was doing his math, and then cross examination, in either Jasher or especially Enoch... it would definitely prove to me what I had expected from that Council all along.

But more importantly, one of the greatest mathematician of all time "Galileo" claimed, "Mathematics is the Alphabet by which God wrote the Universe with," definitely applies to how God used the Nicene Council to be inspired, by how they chose to Chapter the Books and number the verses, so it could be possible to create this mathematical formula of Chapter times verse...and then cross examine the answer to matches throughout the Bible.

I want to shout and praise God, it's nice to see a new mathematical formula. In Job, God said He stretched a line (tape measure) to measure the universe. So I have always been aware of God's ability in mathematics. But this new formula just reveals an even DEEPER CREATIVE side of God, I was totally unaware of. I am literally tickled pink over this!!

WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO PRAISE YOU YAHWEH!!
The Chapters and verses have nothing to do with the Nicene Council.

The Chapters were created by Prof Stephen Langton in 1227 while he was Professor at the University of Paris. He later became Archbishop of Canterbury.

The verses were created by a French Printer named Robert Stephanus in 1551 he added them to his publication of the New Testament.
In 1560 he published a Vulgate Translation of the whole Bible that included both Chapters and Verses. This was published in 1555
 

lydever91

Senior Member
Aug 5, 2011
491
14
18
#25
The Nicene Council never created the Chapter and verses in the Bible


The Chapters and verses have nothing to do with the Nicene Council.

The Chapters were created by Prof Stephen Langton in 1227 while he was Professor at the University of Paris. He later became Archbishop of Canterbury.

The verses were created by a French Printer named Robert Stephanus in 1551 he added them to his publication of the New Testament.
In 1560 he published a Vulgate Translation of the whole Bible that included both Chapters and Verses. This was published in 1555
We need to go back even further as these chapter and verse numbers are very natural form of the original texts. The answer to how these numbers came about is understanding how the parashot, sedarim, and sillug are used. We are talking the same numbers used in Jewish Bibles as Christian.
 

tanakh

Senior Member
Dec 1, 2015
4,635
1,041
113
77
#26
We need to go back even further as these chapter and verse numbers are very natural form of the original texts. The answer to how these numbers came about is understanding how the parashot, sedarim, and sillug are used. We are talking the same numbers used in Jewish Bibles as Christian.
You might need to go back. I have enough work coping with the Bible as it is without digging around for hidden codes. I understand that the Bible is far more complex than most people realise but God doesnt require us to be mathematical geniusness to obtain salvation.
 

lydever91

Senior Member
Aug 5, 2011
491
14
18
#27
You might need to go back. I have enough work coping with the Bible as it is without digging around for hidden codes. I understand that the Bible is far more complex than most people realise but God doesnt require us to be mathematical geniusness to obtain salvation.
I don't need to go back but Ty anyways. You are right with your straw-man argument, the Bible doesn't require anyone to be a mathematical genius as these math problems are very simple, yet amazing. Here is what Christ did say forgive your brother 70 x 7, takes some math doesn't it? Here is some wisdom for you: "here is wisdom let him that hath understanding count the number". Apparently you plan on always lacking this wisdom and understanding.
 
O

obedienttogod

Guest
#28
The Nicene Council never created the Chapter and verses in the Bible


The Chapters and verses have nothing to do with the Nicene Council.

The Chapters were created by Prof Stephen Langton in 1227 while he was Professor at the University of Paris. He later became Archbishop of Canterbury.

The verses were created by a French Printer named Robert Stephanus in 1551 he added them to his publication of the New Testament.
In 1560 he published a Vulgate Translation of the whole Bible that included both Chapters and Verses. This was published in 1555


I simply did not research, and was wrong by giving any answer towards who applied the numerics to the chapters and verses. But I do not believe it takes anything away from how you can times chapter number by verse number and research based upon the answer. And the reason I believe as such, is because each time the person from the video cross examined what he discovered, the meaning of what was discovered, did in fact relate to the original verse to begin with.
 

tanakh

Senior Member
Dec 1, 2015
4,635
1,041
113
77
#29
I don't need to go back but Ty anyways. You are right with your straw-man argument, the Bible doesn't require anyone to be a mathematical genius as these math problems are very simple, yet amazing. Here is what Christ did say forgive your brother 70 x 7, takes some math doesn't it? Here is some wisdom for you: "here is wisdom let him that hath understanding count the number". Apparently you plan on always lacking this wisdom and understanding.
Using your examples do you know why Jesus gave that reply? If not check out Daniels 70 weeks

Here is wisdom look at Chronicles you will find a list of items Solomon received. They include 666 bars of gold.

I discovered these examples by comparing text not by Maths
 

lydever91

Senior Member
Aug 5, 2011
491
14
18
#30
Using your examples do you know why Jesus gave that reply? If not check out Daniels 70 weeks

Here is wisdom look at Chronicles you will find a list of items Solomon received. They include 666 bars of gold.

I discovered these examples by comparing text not by Maths
Oh boy, tell us something we don't know. The number still is just a number with no meaning to it for you.
 

Budman

Senior Member
Mar 9, 2014
4,153
1,999
113
#31
It's a snakes head roughly 4 miles wide just below the head and 20 miles long. It flew up out of the Golan Heights and landed roughly 66 miles away.
So, let me get this straight. You literally believe a snake, 20 miles long and four miles wide, flew up into Syria, and was stomped by a giant, who left his humongous footprint, and you use Genesis 3:15 as your proof verse?

You do realize that verse is talking about Jesus, Mary, and Satan, right?
 

lydever91

Senior Member
Aug 5, 2011
491
14
18
#32
So, let me get this straight. You literally believe a snake, 20 miles long and four miles wide, flew up into Syria, and was stomped by a giant, who left his humongous footprint, and you use Genesis 3:15 as your proof verse?

You do realize that verse is talking about Jesus, Mary, and Satan, right?
Not at first but the evidence can't be a big coincidence, considering how it was located by numbers.
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,726
13,522
113
#33
one of the greatest mathematician of all time "Galileo" claimed, "Mathematics is the Alphabet by which God wrote the Universe with,"
hi

i'm a mathematician.

i wouldn't call Galileo 'one of the greatest mathematicians' by any stretch.

pretty sure that quote is about physics, not about numerology.

have a nice day, glad to see you are somehow inspired, and i do hope you are careful about potential sources of bias when you make your analysis.

:)
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,726
13,522
113
#34
It's a snakes head roughly 4 miles wide just below the head and 20 miles long. It flew up out of the Golan Heights and landed roughly 66 miles away.
how old is this topography?
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,726
13,522
113
#35
chapter and verse are a much later addition to scripture. with the exception of the Psalms which are units and given in a deliberate sequence that implies ((yet still doesn't specify)) a numbering. some Bibles use a numbering for Psalms that is offset by one.
 
O

obedienttogod

Guest
#37
hi

i'm a mathematician.

i wouldn't call Galileo 'one of the greatest mathematicians' by any stretch.

pretty sure that quote is about physics, not about numerology.

have a nice day, glad to see you are somehow inspired, and i do hope you are careful about potential sources of bias when you make your analysis.

:)


Why would I believe that Galileo was speaking about numerology?

The using of the chapter number times verse number has nothing to do with numerology. As a mathematician, like you proclaim, should know the basics of that without blinking an eye. And Galileo's comment, would be more in line with astrophysics than anything else.
 
O

obedienttogod

Guest
#38
chapter and verse are a much later addition to scripture. with the exception of the Psalms which are units and given in a deliberate sequence that implies ((yet still doesn't specify)) a numbering. some Bibles use a numbering for Psalms that is offset by one.


Agreed!!

However, when the numerics were applied to the chapters and verses, it was not done on the basis of mathematics. It was done based upon the basis of grammar and punctuation. Since it has now come to be obvious that we can use these numerics into a basic mathematical formula, it reveals, (without knowledge and awareness obviously) that God clearly had a hand involved. So far, when I have applied the chapter number times the verse number and did a random search throughout the entire Bible. Each search result and its meaning, has identically matched what the verse was stating originally in the Book of Psalms. And I highly doubt the one who added the chapter and verse numerics, ever thought about this at all. So the fact that it does align and work as the video pointed out, reveals to me God's hand in this. Simply because, unlike science, I do not believe in randomness nor accidental flukes, especially when pertaining to the Holy Word of God!!
 

JustEli

Well-known member
Dec 23, 2018
1,374
983
113
50
#40
If you study that deeply, you will like Chuck.