Not By Works

[safswan]

Therefore, we CONCLUDE that a man is JUSTIFIED by FAITH without the deeds/works of the LAW

NO one ignores JAMES or ROMANS....and James is not teaching a faith plus works pseudo salvation........

NOT by works of righteousness which we HAVE DONE, but according to his mercy has he saved US

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

James is making a contrast between a MERE belief in God and true saving faith and regardless of ALL that attempt to twist James into a working for salvation he is not teaching that...

PAUL -->before God a man is saved and justified by FAITH without the deeds/works of the law
James -->Before men, the ABOVE faith that saves can be seen by our works/deeds

What James says is very clear.And he does not contradict Paul if you read all that Paul writes and not just a part.

Read it again:

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?”(James 2:14)

CAN FAITH ALONE SAVE?

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”(James 2:24)

“Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.”(James 2:21-23)

You ignore this to your peril as you do passages which show Paul supporting this teaching by James.Read it again:

“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”(Romans 6:1-6)


"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"(Romans 6:15,16)

Are you walking in the newness of life or are you still the old man?Are you the servant of sin or are you a servant of Christ?What are the consequences if you are still the old man and the servant of sin?

Do you understand the difference in the case of the thief on the cross vs that of the woman caught in adultery?

 

[dcontroversal]

LOL
I don't have a bed time.

I asked Dcon....
I'd like him to answer.

Thanks anyway.

Like normal you ask a loaded question......Show me a verse that said JESUS HAD to die and I will say....He chose to give up his life and then take it back up again because he had this commandment from the Heavenly Father......

a. To work the will of the Heavenly Father
b. To reconcile man unto God
c. To pay the sins of the whole world
d. To redeem humanity/creation
e. To conquer death

and this list is not conclusive and or exclusive.............

Boiled down the gospel (good news)--->Men can be reconciled unto God dia faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. <----ONE of numerous "Correct messages" in the bible.....

Obviously only one GOSPEL message of SALVATION......


This is a SUMMATION......

 

[stonesoffire]

He says pretty boy and good boy; mimics conversations, laughs when we laugh, and speaks in tongues or his mimicking plus dances in the Spirit. He bebops and sways. And I've had him around 23 years.

 

[Argueless]

I am still waiting for the "salvation losers" to answer and define with definition the bolded words below and explain how one can lose salvation in light of these inspired words.

Can the "salvation losers" be honest and give the biblical definitions of the following words....??

The underlined is how the salvation losers read these words

Born from above by INCORRUPTIBLE seed<---seed can be corrupted and lose salvation

Saved to the UTTERMOST<-----Does not mean completely or eternally

KEPT by the POWER OF GOD<---Not kept and can be lost again

I will LOSE NOTHING, but RAISE it up the last day<---Jesus lied and can lose something he saved

He that believes on the Son is having EVERLASTING LIFE<---Everlasting means temporal based upon performance

HE that began a good work in you will FINISH IT and COMPLETE it<---Jesus cannot finish it or complete it because he is too weak

We are SEALED UNTO the day of REDEMPTION<---The seal of God is temporary and can be undone by man

I will NEVER leave thee nor FORSAKE thee<---Jesus will leave you and forsake you IF ___________

Where sin abounds, GRACE abounds the MORE <----Our sin is greater than God grace

DO you wish that anyone would contradict what the scriptures say by giving their own interpretation to the point of twisting them instead of HUMBLY accepting the WORD planted in them and which can SAVE them?

You are creating division by rejecting GOD'S WORD that contradict your FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE...LET GOD BE TRUE!

...These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. Jude 1:16-19

...If anyone teaches false doctrines and DOES NOT AGREE to the SOUND INSTRUCTION of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in CONTROVERSIES and QUARRELS ABOUT WORDS that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5

...What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! LET GOD BE TRUE, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.” Romans 3:3-4

...But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.” 1Corinthians 1:18-31

Two Kinds of Wisdom
...Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 3:13-18

Listening and Doing My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does. James 1:19-25

 

[dcontroversal]

What James says is very clear.And he does not contradict Paul if you read all that Paul writes and not just a part.

Read it again:

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?”(James 2:14)

CAN FAITH ALONE SAVE?

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”(James 2:24)

“Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.”(James 2:21-23)

You ignore this to your peril as you do passages which show Paul supporting this teaching by James.Read it again:

“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”(Romans 6:1-6)


"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"(Romans 6:15,16)

Are you walking in the newness of life or are you still the old man?Are you the servant of sin or are you a servant of Christ?What are the consequences if you are still the old man and the servant of sin?

Do you understand the difference in the case of the thief on the cross vs that of the woman caught in adultery?

False again....James is not peddling a cafe blend false gospel of faith plus work for salvation <--to gain, keep, top off, finish, embellish and or maintain salvation.....and the only one in peril friend is you.........right now in this post to me you are peddling the exact same thing the "plenteous in number" peddle......wake up

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE.

NOT by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us.

He that believes on the Son is having everlasting life

He that believes on the SON is not condemned

For by grace are you saved through faith, and that NOT of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast.

Galatians....

OH FOOLISH GALATIANS answer me this.....HAVING begun in the spirit (by faith) are you now made complete trough the flesh "works"
Who has bewitched thee......

Your gospel....

Lord Lord have we not done many wonderful works in your name.....

You claim JESUS as LORD (FAITH) and you fully believe and expect that you must maintain that position by your own works in order to remain saved and or enter the kingdom....FALSE

 

[stonesoffire]

What is the law?

I would say it's anything that people believe they must do in order to be accepted by Father into heaven.

Anything outside of the work of Jesus.

 

[safswan]

Your whole point is missed by one mistake

You quoted james as saying,

“What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?”(James 2:14)

Can Faith Save?Can Faith Alone Save?Can Faith Without Works Save?

and you asked the wrong question, because you focused on the wrong words

You completely skipped where james asked the question, what does it profit if a man says he has faith...

His point is not does faith alone save, his point is does that man have real faith (living) or does he have no faith at all (dead) and is claiming he has something which is not true.

Then he goes to show what the difference between a living faith which saves and a dead faith which will never save

Living faith works (as paul said in eph 2:8-10) because if is born out of being made a new creation, whereas a false or dead faith will serve self only, because it still is working out of the flesh as the old nature.

If you can not get that right, the rest of your thinking will be flawed.

You are adding to the words written.James shows no such thing as you claim.("Then he goes to show what the difference between a living faith which saves and a dead faith which will never save")That which you write is simply your interpretation of his plain words.Read it again:

“What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?”(James 2:14)

He did not ask; "can his profession of faith save him?He also further supports his position when he says:


“Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.”(James 2:21-23)

Nothing here about simply a profession of faith.You are the one that is mistaken.

 

[UnderGrace]

You are creating division by rejecting GOD'S WORD that contradict your FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE...LET GOD BE TRUE!

Actually, there are many of us here on this thread that know we are Saved Eternally, Born Again and Justified/Sanctified by God's Holy decree......and we barely argue and have very little division.

Why you may ask?

Because we absolutely know that we are Eternally Saved by Grace (a free gift) through Faith and it is NOT a man made doctrine, so there is nothing to argue about!!!!

Interesting eh?

 

[dcontroversal]

Actually, there are many of us here on this thread that know we are Saved Eternally, Born Again and Justified/Sanctified by God's Holy decree......and we barely argue and have very little division.

Why you may ask?

Because we absolutely know that we are Eternally Saved by Grace (a free gift) through Faith and it is NOT a man made doctrine, so there is nothing to argue about!!!!

Interesting eh?

And we still have the workers for, Cainologists and Pharisees peddling James out of context to push a faith plus works false dogma while ignoring the words of Paul when he clearly stated that Abraham was justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law......

 

[stonesoffire]

What James says is very clear.And he does not contradict Paul if you read all that Paul writes and not just a part.

Read it again:

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?”(James 2:14)

CAN FAITH ALONE SAVE?

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”(James 2:24)

“Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.”(James 2:21-23)

You ignore this to your peril as you do passages which show Paul supporting this teaching by James.Read it again:

“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”(Romans 6:1-6)


"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"(Romans 6:15,16)

Are you walking in the newness of life or are you still the old man?Are you the servant of sin or are you a servant of Christ?What are the consequences if you are still the old man and the servant of sin?

Do you understand the difference in the case of the thief on the cross vs that of the woman caught in adultery?

I stopped reading this post after Can faith alone save?

Context is always good...

Faith Without Works Is Dead​

Jas 2:14　 What good does it do, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith but does not prove it with actions? This kind of faith cannot save him, can it?


Jas 2:15　 Suppose a brother or sister does not have any clothes or daily food


Jas 2:16　 and one of you tells them, "Go in peace! Stay warm and eat heartily." If you do not provide for their bodily needs, what good does it do?


Jas 2:17　 In the same way, faith by itself, if it does not prove itself with actions, is dead.

James isn't speaking of salvation here. Unless you want to call giving a starving person food to eat, his salvation.

 

[safswan]

James and paul can not contradict, meaning you have major problems with your beliefe, because there is no way to resolve pauls words in a way to make them not contradict james in your belief system

Abraham proved his trust in Gods word (through your son) decades after he believed by having such a faith that he knew god wouod raise him from the dead, becaise God keeps his promise, yet he was justiffied decades early when he believed God and it was acredited to him as righteousness. Ie, he was justified in his faith, when he offered his son, but he was justified in God decades earlier

Learning the difference would suit you well

I have already said Paul and James are not contradictory but it seems you choose to ignore this as well as you ignore the source of your error.It is very simple.You use the scriptures as the devil did with Jesus and so ignore the writings of Paul which supports what James proclaim.Because I take all into consideration I am free of this problem and have no trouble reconciling Paul and James.

 

[stonesoffire]

I stopped reading this post after Can faith alone save?

Context is always good...

Faith Without Works Is Dead​

Jas 2:14　 What good does it do, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith but does not prove it with actions? This kind of faith cannot save him, can it?


Jas 2:15　 Suppose a brother or sister does not have any clothes or daily food


Jas 2:16　 and one of you tells them, "Go in peace! Stay warm and eat heartily." If you do not provide for their bodily needs, what good does it do?


Jas 2:17　 In the same way, faith by itself, if it does not prove itself with actions, is dead.

James isn't speaking of salvation here. Unless you want to call giving a starving person food to eat, his salvation.

Maybe James is addressing a fear that believers might have, like if we give things to others, we won't have enough for ourselves. Or possibly a stance on faith that could be overboard, like God will supply all our needs if we just have faith. And then not share with others judging them for a lack of faith.

These things do happen.

 

[dcontroversal]

I have already said Paul and James are not contradictory but it seems you choose to ignore this as well as you ignore the source of your error.It is very simple.You use the scriptures as the devil did with Jesus and so ignore the writings of Paul which supports what James proclaim.Because I take all into consideration I am free of this problem and have no trouble reconciling Paul and James.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA AN you totally pit James and PAUL against each other.....and you flat ignore context

PAUL said....WE CONCLUDE a man is justified BY FAITH without the deeds/works of the LAW.......you can read right?

James is not teaching a WORKS/FAITH salvation blend....

FAITH alone saves and justifies a man before GOD.....end of story....anything beyond that is the result of the faith and salvation one already possess eternally in Christ........

 

[safswan]

Why did you not post the verses before

Ephesians 2:4-10
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

It seems Paul is saying that we are saved by grace through faith and not by what we do, so that we can boast in our works/obedience (just like the Pharisees)

Salvation us a free gift to those who accept it and as a result, being in him, being conformed to the image of Jesus we will walk in the works prepared for us before we were saved by grace though faith.

Simple.All are agreed on the grace through faith factor but some ignore the works factor.I was imitating James who has made sure you could not miss it although many try to twist his writings and claim they do not really say/mean what they say.

 

[dcontroversal]

Simple.All are agreed on the grace through faith factor but some ignore the works factor.I was imitating James who has made sure you could not miss it although many try to twist his writings and claim they do not really say/mean what they say.

Nobody is ignoring the works aspect.......and if you think this you are not reading what any of us have said......what you propose is just another straw man by one who embellishes salvation with works to gain, keep, top off, finish salvation.....and the bible does not teach this.....

 

[dcontroversal]

Actually, there are many of us here on this thread that know we are Saved Eternally, Born Again and Justified/Sanctified by God's Holy decree......and we barely argue and have very little division.

Why you may ask?

Because we absolutely know that we are Eternally Saved by Grace (a free gift) through Faith and it is NOT a man made doctrine, so there is nothing to argue about!!!!

Interesting eh?

AMEN......you notice how he cannot answer biblically and define the words I gave....the reason...they contradict his losable salvation that is kept by his Catholic dogma...........all he has is incessant non-starting attacks.........exactly why I have him on ignore...a total waste of time...just another Cainologist religionist...........

 

[Argueless]

And we still have the workers for, Cainologists and Pharisees peddling James out of context to push a faith plus works false dogma while ignoring the words of Paul when he clearly stated that Abraham was justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law......

...As God’s fellow workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. 2 Corinthians 6:1

I noticed that whenever someone speaks or teach about obedience to God, you and the others who believe in OSAS would quickly say that they are working for their own salvation, call them Pharisees, sinless perfectionists and several other names for whatever reason or intent. What confuses me is when your group say that only genuine believers or born again will or can obey the commandments but If I and others who don't agree with you will say that we obey the commandments and teach others to do so, we are not genuine believers and have no FAITH.

Some are saying that they obey Him because they love Him and .I agree to that because it is written that if we love Him we should obey His commands. What really bothers me is how this can apply to you who says that Faith ALONE saves without any sort of righteous works including obedience to God, and not to me and those who boldly state and promote obedience to God's laws and commands as being part of His own words and teachings.

...Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:6-17

...Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. 1 Corinthians 4:5

I believe that the free gift is eternal life IN Jesus.(romans 6:23) We should be IN Christ Jesus to get eternal life.

...what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” 17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to ENTER LIFE, obey the commandments.” matthew 19:16-17

Jesus is the LIFE that we must ENTER (john 14:6) and if we want to be IN Jesus we must obey the commandments. How would we know we are IN Jesus?

...This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. (1 john 2:1-6)

Jesus is the author of eternal salvation for those who OBEY Him.

...and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him hebrews 5:7-10

FAITH AND OBEDIENCE ARE BOTH ESSENTIAL FOR SALVATION.

...And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.hebrews 11:6

...As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. james 2:26

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are IN Christ Jesus, Romans 8:1

...IN the BODY OF CHRIST which is incorruptible and there is no condemnation. But those who are RUNNING AHEAD do not belong to His BODY who are eagerly awaiting a Savior from heaven. (Philippians 3:20-21)

And again, we know that we are IN HIM if we obey the commandments and WALK AS JESUS did. (1 john 2:3-6)

...For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for him, Philippians 1:29

 

[safswan]

Was Abraham justified before he offered Isaac or before that?
Was he justified before God when he heard God and belived in his call

Genesis 12:1-5

Promises to Abram
(Acts 7:2–5)
1 Now the Lord had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
4 So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him. And Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. 5 Then Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his brother’s son, and all their possessions that they had gathered, and the people whom they had acquired in Haran, and they departed to go to the land of Canaan. So they came to the land of Canaan.

He heard God calling him and he believed and went.

Or was he justified when

Genesis 15:1-11

God’s Covenant with Abram
(Heb. 11:8–10)
1 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”
2 But Abram said, “Lord God, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”
3 Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!”
4 And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.”
5 Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”
6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
7 Then He said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”
8 And he said, “Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?”
9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.”
10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two.
11 And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.

Look at verse 6.

He was considered righteous before God and given the promise of his inheritance long before he offered up Issac was born.

Would you say that to be considered righteous before God is to be saved?
If not why not, if so why so?

If it is to saved then obviously Abram was saved well before he offered up Isaac.
If not then we have an issue as the above verses say otherwise.

So I say Abram was considered righteous by his faith.
Heard God, and left his land.
Heard God and belived he would have an heir.

Belief and faith.

Therefore this led to him offering up Isaac.
His faith led to what he did.
Not to prove before God but because he knew God.
His offering was a justification of his faith.

As James said

James 2:14

Faith Without Works Is Dead
(cf. Gen. 22; Josh. 2)
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

Works will always follow faith, true genuine saving faith.
They do not save us but show that we are saved.

We have an inheritance but it's not based on works.

Ephesians 1:13-14
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Finally

Hebrews 11:8-10

Faithful Abraham
(Gen. 15:1–6; 21:1–7)
8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

I only have two questions.Do you believe what James wrote?

“Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.”(James 2:21-23)

Also;what happens to those

Was Abraham justified before he offered Isaac or before that?
Was he justified before God when he heard God and belived in his call

Genesis 12:1-5

Promises to Abram
(Acts 7:2–5)
1 Now the Lord had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
4 So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him. And Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. 5 Then Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his brother’s son, and all their possessions that they had gathered, and the people whom they had acquired in Haran, and they departed to go to the land of Canaan. So they came to the land of Canaan.

He heard God calling him and he believed and went.

Or was he justified when

Genesis 15:1-11

God’s Covenant with Abram
(Heb. 11:8–10)
1 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”
2 But Abram said, “Lord God, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”
3 Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!”
4 And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.”
5 Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”
6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
7 Then He said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”
8 And he said, “Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?”
9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.”
10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two.
11 And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.

Look at verse 6.

He was considered righteous before God and given the promise of his inheritance long before he offered up Issac was born.

Would you say that to be considered righteous before God is to be saved?
If not why not, if so why so?

If it is to saved then obviously Abram was saved well before he offered up Isaac.
If not then we have an issue as the above verses say otherwise.

So I say Abram was considered righteous by his faith.
Heard God, and left his land.
Heard God and belived he would have an heir.

Belief and faith.

Therefore this led to him offering up Isaac.
His faith led to what he did.
Not to prove before God but because he knew God.
His offering was a justification of his faith.

As James said

James 2:14

Faith Without Works Is Dead
(cf. Gen. 22; Josh. 2)
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

Works will always follow faith, true genuine saving faith.
They do not save us but show that we are saved.

We have an inheritance but it's not based on works.

Ephesians 1:13-14
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Finally

Hebrews 11:8-10

Faithful Abraham
(Gen. 15:1–6; 21:1–7)
8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

I only have two questions:

Do you really believe what James writes?It cannot be any clearer than this:

“Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.”(James 2:21-23)

Do you understand what is meant when the passage says:

"...And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness:..."

 

[VCO]

Why on earth would anyone give this post a thumbs down?

I think she does that on purpose, because she thinks it all is a JOKE.

The Joke may be on her:


2 Peter 3:3 (NJB)
3 First of all, do not forget that in the final days there will come sarcastic scoffers whose life is ruled by their passions.

 

[WIbaptist]

Works do not equal salvation but salvation does equal works. Faith without works is dead. The one who “does” the will of the Father...