Praying in Tongues

[Kavik]

Does it really matter if it's called tongues or languages Kavik? For one to just start speaking words while in worship of God, is not an earthly act by any means. It's supernatural and comes from a supernatural God. God is Spirit, love, Light.....and we cannot understand this either. Yet He has a physical form.

Speaking of Father God or YHWH. Am believing more and more every day that we should use Hebrew terms for the worldly views being espoused here.

Names mean character in Hebrew. Yeshua being named by an angel before His birth is a prophecy FROM AN ANGEL! And yet you cannot believe that there is angelic languages given to men.

Actually, yes, it sort of does. Calling them languages puts the narratives more into proper perspective. That’s just it – there are no “words” being spoken as there is no language being spoken/generated.

I don’t see any advantage of using Hebrew names over English. The meaning is still the same (whether I say James, Jim, Jakob, Seamus, Jake, Iago – it’s all the same name with the same meaning).

No, there are not – in every instance where angels have communicated to humans, it’s been in a real, rational language; typically that of the person being addressed.

 

[stonesoffire]

Actually, yes, it sort of does. Calling them languages puts the narratives more into proper perspective. That’s just it – there are no “words” being spoken as there is no language being spoken/generated.

I don’t see any advantage of using Hebrew names over English. The meaning is still the same (whether I say James, Jim, Jakob, Seamus, Jake, Iago – it’s all the same name with the same meaning).

No, there are not – in every instance where angels have communicated to humans, it’s been in a real, rational language; typically that of the person being addressed.

It's just your opinions Kavik. Tongues is not of earth but from heaven. You can't apply earthly understanding. And is of faith. Faith is supernatural too.

 

[Hevosmies]

Actually, yes, it sort of does. Calling them languages puts the narratives more into proper perspective. That’s just it – there are no “words” being spoken as there is no language being spoken/generated.

I don’t see any advantage of using Hebrew names over English. The meaning is still the same (whether I say James, Jim, Jakob, Seamus, Jake, Iago – it’s all the same name with the same meaning).

No, there are not – in every instance where angels have communicated to humans, it’s been in a real, rational language; typically that of the person being addressed.

The real question is, WHAT are you?
It says in your profile non-christian. Identify as something, please?

 

[Kavik]

It's just your opinions Kavik. Tongues is not of earth but from heaven. You can't apply earthly understanding. And is of faith. Faith is supernatural too.

Well, I certainly don't seem to be alone in my opinions.

What makes you think that you're speaking a language - don't give me Biblical quotes, just you personally - why do you define what you utter as language? What, to you, makes it a language??

If what you were speaking was indeed supernatural, then, yes, I'd say all bets are off, but it's not. If it were, it wouldn't be able to be so (relatively) easily understood, define-able and be able to be so easily analyzed.

Yes, faith is supernatural - there are many things in religion that must be taken on faith; they can neither be proven nor disproven. "Tongues" just isn't one of these things.

 

[Kavik]

The real question is, WHAT are you?
It says in your profile non-christian. Identify as something, please?

With all due respect - I would prefer to remain 'anonymous' with respect to that. Identifying with a particular religious/spiritual path always seems to generate some sort of reaction in the sense that people tend to automatically place you in a box, so to speak and assume that you adhere to everything that particular path espouses.

I am definitely not atheist/agnostic.

 

[Hevosmies]

With all due respect - I would prefer to remain 'anonymous' with respect to that. Identifying with a particular religious/spiritual path always seems to generate some sort of reaction in the sense that people tend to automatically place you in a box, so to speak and assume that you adhere to everything that particular path espouses.

I am definitely not atheist/agnostic.

Have you consider running for political office, sir?

 

[Kavik]

Have you consider running for political office, sir?

LOL - I'm definitely NOT into politics. All set with that

 

[stonesoffire]

Well, I certainly don't seem to be alone in my opinions.

What makes you think that you're speaking a language - don't give me Biblical quotes, just you personally - why do you define what you utter as language? What, to you, makes it a language??

If what you were speaking was indeed supernatural, then, yes, I'd say all bets are off, but it's not. If it were, it wouldn't be able to be so (relatively) easily understood, define-able and be able to be so easily analyzed.

Yes, faith is supernatural - there are many things in religion that must be taken on faith; they can neither be proven nor disproven. "Tongues" just isn't one of these things.

I didn't ask for it. The baptism of Holy Spirit came while I was in a candlelight service at the Cotton Bowl with 100,000 Christians gathered there at "Explo '72. A "wind" stepped into me after asking for to be filled with Holy Spirit.

What I received too was worship. I could barely sleep for worship was continually in my heart. Then, a word that I had never heard came to me. I thought it was the devil But, shortly after this, I run into charismatic Catholic Christians and was involved with their meetings at Christ the King church in South Bend, Ind. From there to Christian Center.

It's a language. Is words. I don't have the gift of interpretation but I receive visions and understand my prayer in this way.

I don't babble....bidibidibidibidi...

Have heard this and I question it too in my mind. Is not my office though to confront.

 

[CherieR]

With all due respect - I would prefer to remain 'anonymous' with respect to that. Identifying with a particular religious/spiritual path always seems to generate some sort of reaction in the sense that people tend to automatically place you in a box, so to speak and assume that you adhere to everything that particular path espouses.

I am definitely not atheist/agnostic.

I think I can see where you are coming from. Even in politics it can happen if you say you are Republican or Democrat, people may sometimes assume things that are not true. Not all Democrats are for abortion and not all Rebublicans support building a wall for border security.

 

[stonesoffire]

Well, he could be muslim too Cherie. Many have come to the forums to learn what we believe...just to bring confusion and strife.

It's their plan.

 

[CherieR]

I didn't ask for it. The baptism of Holy Spirit came while I was in a candlelight service at the Cotton Bowl with 100,000 Christians gathered there at "Explo '72. A "wind" stepped into me after asking for to be filled with Holy Spirit.

What I received too was worship. I could barely sleep for worship was continually in my heart. Then, a word that I had never heard came to me. I thought it was the devil But, shortly after this, I run into charismatic Catholic Christians and was involved with their meetings at Christ the King church in South Bend, Ind. From there to Christian Center.

It's a language. Is words. I don't have the gift of interpretation but I receive visions and understand my prayer in this way.

I don't babble....bidibidibidibidi...

Have heard this and I question it too in my mind. Is not my office though to confront.

Did you have to start speaking in tongues or was it like you started saying something in tongues without trying to?

 

[CherieR]

Well, he could be muslim too Cherie. Many have come to the forums to learn what we believe...just to bring confusion and strife.

It's their plan.

I am not sure. He did not say what religion he believes in is true.

 

[stonesoffire]

Did you have to start speaking in tongues or was it like you started saying something in tongues without trying to?

It just came. I was just telling God how much I love Him.

 

[wolfwint]

Of course He doesn't teach false teachings!. But, I call your view false and I have more scripture backing than you do.

And as I said...I just copied what the encyclopedia had written. It wasn't an endorsement.

Why then you use such Source if you dont agree with them?

On the other hand, the thing is, that you dont have Source that receiving the Holy Spirit and as sign for it is the speaking in tongues is taught before Topeka und Azusa street movement, which is claimed as beginning of the pentecostal movement.
Till today nobody on CC could Show me specific Texts from the churchhistorie that this was taught.
Why it is so difficult to find such Texts? Maby because this simply not was taught?
Even the reformators which translatet the Bible ore wrote Commentarys did not taught this. Nor they taught this in their churches.

 

[garee]

I didn't ask for it. The baptism of Holy Spirit came while I was in a candlelight service at the Cotton Bowl with 100,000 Christians gathered there at "Explo '72. A "wind" stepped into me after asking for to be filled with Holy Spirit.

What I received too was worship. I could barely sleep for worship was continually in my heart. Then, a word that I had never heard came to me. I thought it was the devil But, shortly after this, I run into charismatic Catholic Christians and was involved with their meetings at Christ the King church in South Bend, Ind. From there to Christian Center.

It's a language. Is words. I don't have the gift of interpretation but I receive visions and understand my prayer in this way.

I don't babble....bidibidibidibidi...

Have heard this and I question it too in my mind. Is not my office though to confront.

You say you did not ask for it? So then you never heard of the idea of tongues? But a wind stepped into you asking if you desired to be filled with the Spirit? Were you as a Christian not filled before then? How much of Christ does it take to be full?

What were the prophetic words you heard, what did they instruct you to do? Or was it the sound of the wind with no meaning other that the wind moves and create sounds?

And what did the words you never heard that came to you say?

 

[garee]

Why then you use such Source if you dont agree with them?

On the other hand, the thing is, that you dont have Source that receiving the Holy Spirit and as sign for it is the speaking in tongues is taught before Topeka und Azusa street movement, which is claimed as beginning of the pentecostal movement.
Till today nobody on CC could Show me specific Texts from the churchhistorie that this was taught.
Why it is so difficult to find such Texts? Maby because this simply not was taught?
Even the reformators which translatet the Bible ore wrote Commentarys did not taught this. Nor they taught this in their churches.

The teaching is from within the scriptures.

Again if a person does not look to the foundation of the Tongues doctrine. How will they know what to look for and what it confirms as a sign ..?

We are given the understanding why God's word teaches knowledge to some and other refuse to hear the word of God , And therefore with another tongue or languages other than Hebrew he will speak to these people who refuse to hear the gospel as a sign to confirm they have no faith even with all that they still will refuse to believe prophecy in any language

By whom doth He teach knowledge? And by whom doth He cause to understand the report? The weaned from milk, the removed from breasts, For rule [is] on rule, rule on rule, line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there,For by scorned lip, and by another tongue, Doth He speak unto this people Unto whom He hath said, `This [is] the rest, give ye rest to the weary, And this -- the refreshing:' And they have not been willing to hear, And to whom a word of Jehovah hath been, Rule on rule, rule on rule, line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there, So that they go and have stumbled backward, And been broken, and snared, and captured. Isaiah 28:9-13

The law of Tongues defined...and as a sign and not even so will they hear Me, saith the Lord;'

in the law it hath been written, that, `With other tongues and with other lips I will speak to this people, and not even so will they hear Me, saith the Lord;' so that the tongues are for a sign, "not to the believing", but to the unbelieving; and the prophesy [is] not for the unbelieving, but for the believing, 1 Coririthians 14:21-22

 

[Kavik]

Well, he could be muslim too Cherie. Many have come to the forums to learn what we believe...just to bring confusion and strife.

It's their plan.

Though I'm familiar with Islam and have read parts of the Qu'ran, alas, I am not Muslim.

As an odd aside, what's a little weird, speaking of being Muslim, is that I have what's called a "royal gateway" in one of my genealogical lines (my maternal side; predominantly French-Canadian). I'm an avid genealogist and have done quite a bit of research on this particular line. I am apparently a descendant of Jean II, "Le Bon" of France. If that's true, one of his ancestors was King Alfonso (I forget his 'number', there were a lot of Alfonso's) of Castile. One of his wives, I believe supposedly the only one whom he had issue who survived into adulthood, was supposedly a direct descendant of "The Prophet". Her name was Zaida, but she became Christian and took a Christian name (Isabel). It's a line that's much debated, but if it's true, then that would make me a descendent of Muhammed as well. As I said, though, the line is one of the more debated ones in the world of royal genealogy. A Muslim Caliphate ruled Spain for quite a long time and there were intermarriages between the ruling houses - we know them as the 'Moors'.

 

[CherieR]

It just came. I was just telling God how much I love Him.

That reminds me of a time some number of years ago that I told God that I loved him. A this point in my life, it was the first time in a long time saying it, possibly years. After I said to God that I loved him, it felt like both sides of my face got like super warm. It felt as if he was saying he loved me too.

Even when I was young it seemed I was prone to ask questions, analyse, and doubt. I asked Jesus into my heart as a young child and even as a young child asked once if I was saved.

 

[garee]

Though I'm familiar with Islam and have read parts of the Qu'ran, alas, I am not Muslim.

As an odd aside, what's a little weird, speaking of being Muslim, is that I have what's called a "royal gateway" in one of my genealogical lines (my maternal side; predominantly French-Canadian). I'm an avid genealogist and have done quite a bit of research on this particular line. I am apparently a descendant of Jean II, "Le Bon" of France. If that's true, one of his ancestors was King Alfonso (I forget his 'number', there were a lot of Alfonso's) of Castile. One of his wives, I believe supposedly the only one whom he had issue who survived into adulthood, was supposedly a direct descendant of "The Prophet". Her name was Zaida, but she became Christian and took a Christian name (Isabel). It's a line that's much debated, but if it's true, then that would make me a descendent of Muhammed as well. As I said, though, the line is one of the more debated ones in the world of royal genealogy. A Muslim Caliphate ruled Spain for quite a long time and there were intermarriages between the ruling houses - we know them as the 'Moors'.

Interesting great blessing, thanks. Question.

Today in respect to Christianity what porpose would there be for searching genealogical line past that of Mathew 1?

 

[stonesoffire]

Why then you use such Source if you dont agree with them?

On the other hand, the thing is, that you dont have Source that receiving the Holy Spirit and as sign for it is the speaking in tongues is taught before Topeka und Azusa street movement, which is claimed as beginning of the pentecostal movement.
Till today nobody on CC could Show me specific Texts from the churchhistorie that this was taught.
Why it is so difficult to find such Texts? Maby because this simply not was taught?
Even the reformators which translatet the Bible ore wrote Commentarys did not taught this. Nor they taught this in their churches.

Whether you can find evidence that it was or wasn't taught, Pentecost is an experience from God of being whelmed in, of and full of His power through giftings and offices. So is being born again an experience. If you ask, He will come.

Wolf...it's written in the Word and you know it's true. Either fear of God or fear of men is binding you.

Otherwise you would not be so adamant in trying to find a loophole somewhere. We cannot do the same works that Jesus performed without His power. That's why He sent Holy Spirit to His body. If you say you live in Him....then walk as He walked. That's scripture.