Accurately handling what rightly dividing means.
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Granted, but what about self-defense? Does God allow, even expect us to make an effort at self defense. Christ Himself said resist not evil when dealing with retaliation.
Matt. 5:39 "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
Would you use this scripture to allow invaders into your home to rape and murder all your loved ones in front of you, then kill you? That is how God put it to me. I couldn't. Personal self defense is allowed and even expected. Therefore self defense on a larger, community, state or national level is allowed also.
Matt. 5:39 "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
Would you use this scripture to allow invaders into your home to rape and murder all your loved ones in front of you, then kill you? That is how God put it to me. I couldn't. Personal self defense is allowed and even expected. Therefore self defense on a larger, community, state or national level is allowed also.
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I think when protecting others it is very different. I am still not sure where I stand on self defense. I mean...looking at these verses, It seems to be saying that we are to let Him do the fighting because in Him we have victory, that we just are to respond with love. I don't know ,though, just can not reconcile those verses to say.... it is ok to retaliate under certain circumstances. I have asked for His revealing on this. Some say we are not to be door mats for Him, but sometimes I think He does, because in Him, no matter what, we have victory, in Him they will have shame. Again, I am definitely just pondering as I realize my understanding may be skewed. So I pray, hoping to keep a open and teachable mind and a humble heart.
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Nope because I realize that is not church age doctrine but doctrine for thos living in the Lord’s kingdom on earth where we are not to take matters into our own hands because the King will be here ruling with a rod of iron.
In the church age, we are given the right to self defense if the other party does not want peace.
In the church age, we are given the right to self defense if the other party does not want peace.
Do you believe thats how a testament works?
The testament is given while the testator lives, then after the testator dies, it comes into effect.
Jesus didnt waste time teaching disciples useless information, only to resurrect and flip the script and then give them a new teaching, negating everything He had taught previously. Proof of this is the great commission (given after the resurrection) itself: Go and TEACH all nations to do all that i HAVE (past tense) commanded.
The testament is given while the testator lives, then after the testator dies, it comes into effect.
Jesus didnt waste time teaching disciples useless information, only to resurrect and flip the script and then give them a new teaching, negating everything He had taught previously. Proof of this is the great commission (given after the resurrection) itself: Go and TEACH all nations to do all that i HAVE (past tense) commanded.
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Jesus taught them kingdom living when He will rule on earth as King. The nation of Israel rejected their King. The nation of Israel would be a light unto the Gentiles, but since their rejection, the kingdom was postponed and the Lord would build His spiritual Church on the backs of Gentiles.
Jesus’ earthly teachings will be back into effect after the catching up of the Church.
Jesus’ earthly teachings will be back into effect after the catching up of the Church.
God can have the victory in many ways. He even let Gideon keep 300 men to do some fighting. Would God approve me of trying to handle a situation like watching my children being raped and killed in front of me with only love? I prayed for God to fix my knees, but ended having them replaced. The surgeon said I healed remarkably fast. I declare that a victory. God gives us common sense to use.
Well, let's stop before we become doormats. We then are just enablers allowing the users to continue using. But if we can't be taken advantage of while obeying God, as Christians, we are not rightly dividing the word. Retaliation and vengeance should never be our goal and we will be taken advantage of by our doctrine if we are obedient. We don't worry over loss as God is our supplier.
Well, let's stop before we become doormats. We then are just enablers allowing the users to continue using. But if we can't be taken advantage of while obeying God, as Christians, we are not rightly dividing the word. Retaliation and vengeance should never be our goal and we will be taken advantage of by our doctrine if we are obedient. We don't worry over loss as God is our supplier.
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This isnt scripture as much as it is dispensational theology.
This is I believe in english called reading into the text.
Find me one verse that teaches that Jesus' earthly teaching are not in effect NOW, but only after the rapture. Cant find one, cause its not scripture, its dispensational theology.
And dont anyone think that im just bbullying the dispensationalists, oh no! I got maybe even bigger problems with the covenant theologians who are making up covenants between Father, Son and Holy Spirit about the redemption of their people mentioned no where in Scripture! Atleast the dispensationalists are recognizing all the covenants MENTIONED in scripture thank God for that.
This is I believe in english called reading into the text.
Find me one verse that teaches that Jesus' earthly teaching are not in effect NOW, but only after the rapture. Cant find one, cause its not scripture, its dispensational theology.
And dont anyone think that im just bbullying the dispensationalists, oh no! I got maybe even bigger problems with the covenant theologians who are making up covenants between Father, Son and Holy Spirit about the redemption of their people mentioned no where in Scripture! Atleast the dispensationalists are recognizing all the covenants MENTIONED in scripture thank God for that.
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The sermon on the mount is the Constitution for the kingdom of Jesus when He rules on earth. The sermon contains doctrinal truth for living in the millennium. Those who try and apply this sermon to the body of Christ have to explain the literal teaching of the plain text.
The kingdom was at hand along with the King, but since the King was rejected, the earthly kingdom was postponed.
The spiritual aspect of the kingdom is the body of Christ made up of mostly Gentiles. Doctrine for living in the body of Christ can be mostly found in Paul’s writings as the Lord taught him.
The kingdom was at hand along with the King, but since the King was rejected, the earthly kingdom was postponed.
The spiritual aspect of the kingdom is the body of Christ made up of mostly Gentiles. Doctrine for living in the body of Christ can be mostly found in Paul’s writings as the Lord taught him.
Why wasn’t Paul taught by Peter or one of the other apostles? Galatians 1:11. One should conclude that what Paul was given was new revelation. He says it was not made known in other ages, Ephesians 3:5. Paul could not receive something from man that man, up to that point, did not understand.
2 Timothy 2:7 consider what I say, and the Lord give you understanding in all things. Over and over Paul says to follow him. Is Paul being conceited or has the Lord given him special revelation for the Church to follow?
A transition was taking place, from the Jews to the Gentiles, from law to grace, from Peter to Paul, from the physical kingdom to the spiritual kingdom.
2 Timothy 2:7 consider what I say, and the Lord give you understanding in all things. Over and over Paul says to follow him. Is Paul being conceited or has the Lord given him special revelation for the Church to follow?
A transition was taking place, from the Jews to the Gentiles, from law to grace, from Peter to Paul, from the physical kingdom to the spiritual kingdom.
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As to the OP question, I believe I posted this in a different thread, but since it is applicable to the topic of this thread, will place it here as well:
[quoting from Bible Hub]
"[G] 3718 orthotoméō (from temnō, "to cut" and 3717 /orthós, "straight") – properly, cut straight (on a straight line), i.e. "rightly divide" (correctly apportion). "
[end quoting; bold mine]
...so, "correctly apportion".
All Scripture is FOR us, but not all Scripture is ABOUT us (that is, not all Scripture is "ABOUT" or to/for/about [in a direct sense, of "primary application" regarding] "the Church which is His body"... ; Eph1:20-23 "when");
All Scripture, including that which was written aforetime, is written for our learning (and there is MUCH that is therein disclosed that we, as a body, often overlook)...
[quoting from Bible Hub]
"[G] 3718 orthotoméō (from temnō, "to cut" and 3717 /orthós, "straight") – properly, cut straight (on a straight line), i.e. "rightly divide" (correctly apportion). "
[end quoting; bold mine]
...so, "correctly apportion".
All Scripture is FOR us, but not all Scripture is ABOUT us (that is, not all Scripture is "ABOUT" or to/for/about [in a direct sense, of "primary application" regarding] "the Church which is His body"... ; Eph1:20-23 "when");
All Scripture, including that which was written aforetime, is written for our learning (and there is MUCH that is therein disclosed that we, as a body, often overlook)...
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I get what you're saying. I love you John make no mistake about it.
I agree with all the transitions you mentioned except for: from jews to gentiles, cause today there are saved jews, and were many in the times of Jesus, Peter and Paul.
If you mean that the MAJORITY of the saved were/are gentiles, then i agree 100% with you bro.
I agree with all the transitions you mentioned except for: from jews to gentiles, cause today there are saved jews, and were many in the times of Jesus, Peter and Paul.
If you mean that the MAJORITY of the saved were/are gentiles, then i agree 100% with you bro.
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Paul said:
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”[II Timothy 2:15]
Jesus in His encounter with the devil shows how this is done:
“And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple,and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: And in
their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. [Luke 4:9-12]
Texts of scripture must be interpreted with the whole passage and whole of scripture in mind.If not we will be deceived into adopting erroneous positions.
The prophet Isaiah says it this way:
“Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:” [Isaiah 28:9,10]
In other words;if we do not compare scripture with scripture and use scripture to interpret scripture,we will end up using it as the devil did instead of rightly dividing the word.
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”[II Timothy 2:15]
Jesus in His encounter with the devil shows how this is done:
“And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple,and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: And in
their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. [Luke 4:9-12]
Texts of scripture must be interpreted with the whole passage and whole of scripture in mind.If not we will be deceived into adopting erroneous positions.
The prophet Isaiah says it this way:
“Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:” [Isaiah 28:9,10]
In other words;if we do not compare scripture with scripture and use scripture to interpret scripture,we will end up using it as the devil did instead of rightly dividing the word.
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A double minded man cannot serve two masters...
This is what you would have by placing something more valuable to YOU before God.
You hyper Grace are people are unbiblical. Nowhere did Paul ever make such a claim as what you are proposing.
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DO NOT give me some Book of Hebrews crap, when we absolutely know that Paul did not write it. The majority of biblical scholars agree that it was written around the 3rd/4th century. And then added to the Canon, because it was popular during the time of the Council.
But knowing the intelligence and training of Paul (Saul, to be more specific)(Saul, a Pharisee and son of a Pharisee), who as a Pharisee, was an understudy to whom is claimed as being the brightest and deepest in knowledge of the Torah Scrolls of his day, Gamaliel, was Paul's Jewish Law Teacher, and educated Paul in everything he knew concerning the Old Testament.
So knowing this much, and knowing Paul had access to every scroll and knew them word for word, makes it literally impossible that Paul would ever misspell the name of Melchizedek, like it is misspelled in the Book of Hebrews!!
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