Are the Gospels written specifically to Jews only?

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7seasrekeyed said:
did you know anyone could become a Jew if they chose to convert?

what do you do with that?

don't try to put understanding in a box. it leads to great error
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Anyone who had become a Jew by choice would be a recipient of the Lord's sermons.
 
7seasrekeyed said:
did you know anyone could become a Jew if they chose to convert?

what do you do with that?

don't try to put understanding in a box. it leads to great error
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Can you give at least one piece of evidence that Jesus' teachings on earth were both for Jews and Gentiles?
 
Marcelo said:
Can you give at least one piece of evidence that Jesus' teachings on earth were both for Jews and Gentiles?
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I would think it is self evident

or should we ignore what Jesus said about love summing up all the commandments?

teaching this division is simply wrong

at it's worst it creates doubt about the entire gospel

at its best...uh...there is no best
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
I would think it is self evident

or should we ignore what Jesus said about love summing up all the commandments?

teaching this division is simply wrong

at it's worst it creates doubt about the entire gospel

at its best...uh...there is no best
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Self defense is out of the question for you then. Do you actually think that turning the other cheek in all circumstances?
 
Marcelo said:
- No, I don't shave off my head because this is not a commandment for Christians. Paul did it because he had taken a Nazirite vow.
- I don't eat meat sacrificed to idols, but if it is a matter of life or death I can eat it because idols are nothing;
- In my denomination all women wear a veil throughout the church service and anywhere else while praying or prophesying;
- My denomination follows 1 Cor 11 to the letter.
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So,what is the reprocussion for disobeying Paul's ordinances?
 
Marcelo said:
Can you give at least one piece of evidence that Jesus' teachings on earth were both for Jews and Gentiles?
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If. "born again" has no place in our walk we are in trouble.
If love is wrong,forgivenes, grace,mercy, the great comission,watching and waiting for the groom, not to mention his shed blood.

If all that is wrong and annulled under the pauline template,we would all do well to run from anyone promoting anandonment of the Gospels
 
John146 said:
Loss of rewards?
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You,or marcelo, said " we ,at my church obey to the letter",or something like that.

You dont see that if you miss one of Pauls ordinances you might as well break them all.
You just set the bar randomly and make it up as you go in the pauline ordinances.
Obeying ordinances?
Really?
You guys are the pauline grace experts and legally defend ordinances?
Those ordinances by paul were just off the top of my head. There must be many,many more.

Obeying the law in the ot is under the levitical priesthood and law of moses.

1&2 peter &james deals with inward and outward sins.

The point being,by negating entire books under" not to us" you don't even realize the overlap of the entire bible.

You think it conflicts.
Nope. IT confirms and harmonizes.

The whole deal has ordinances. The point of the new birth is a new heart that flows not only in them, but surpasses to the point that love in abundance prefers others above ourselves.

But obeying in part,is rebellion.
Complying to comply is a compliant rebel.
Its a trap.
 
7seasrekeyed said:
I would think it is self evident

or should we ignore what Jesus said about love summing up all the commandments?

teaching this division is simply wrong

at it's worst it creates doubt about the entire gospel

at its best...uh...there is no best
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So, why did Jesus say: "obey the scribes and the Pharisees " ?
 
Absolutely said:
You,or marcelo, said " we ,at my church obey to the letter",or something like that.

You dont see that if you miss one of Pauls ordinances you might as well break them all.
You just set the bar randomly and make it up as you go in the pauline ordinances.
Obeying ordinances?
Really?
You guys are the pauline grace experts and legally defend ordinances?
Those ordinances by paul were just off the top of my head. There must be many,many more.

Obeying the law in the ot is under the levitical priesthood and law of moses.

1&2 peter &james deals with inward and outward sins.

The point being,by negating entire books under" not to us" you don't even realize the overlap of the entire bible.

You think it conflicts.
Nope. IT confirms and harmonizes.

The whole deal has ordinances. The point of the new birth is a new heart that flows not only in them, but surpasses to the point that love in abundance prefers others above ourselves.

But obeying in part,is rebellion.
Complying to comply is a compliant rebel.
Its a trap.
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Do you study and literally obey the OT law as given to Israel? Why or why not?
 
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John146 said:
Self defense is out of the question for you then. Do you actually think that turning the other cheek in all circumstances?
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you have a problem here

who is discussing self-defense?

you have already plainly stated you believe scripture must be divided up...some for these people and a little different for those over somewhere else

you are confusing and confused
 
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Marcelo said:
Today we are, but back then Gentiles were not.
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The Faith of a Canaanite Woman
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

whosoever will it seems

when folks try to pass out the word with limits on who it is for, it both constricts understanding and puts the lie to Jesus words here
 
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