Does anyone on this thread ever answer a question,
except for @mailmandan ?
except for @mailmandan ?
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I have responded to your questions but discussing which is and is not applicable law would likely derail this thread. I will give you one simple answer, as you insist.
Anything that gives a believer knowledge in their mind it would be sin to do, and anything that brought heartfelt conviction of sin to a believer is law written in their mind and placed on their heart under the new covenant, for: Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20
Anything that gives a believer knowledge in their mind it would be sin to do, and anything that brought heartfelt conviction of sin to a believer is law written in their mind and placed on their heart under the new covenant, for: Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20
It's not about we "must or else" be obedient to God in order to become or remain born again, but that we WILL be obedient to God IF we truly are born again. What you have been saying all along is that salvation is "maintained" by obedience/works. Again, obedience is not forced or legalistic for those who are born of God.
1 John 3:7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
*Here John makes a clear CONTRAST between children of God and children of the devil.
1 John 3:7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
*Here John makes a clear CONTRAST between children of God and children of the devil.
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New thread started. You are welcome to join in.
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why-was-cains-offering-rejected-by-god.182347/
Why was Cain's offering rejected by God?
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why-was-cains-offering-rejected-by-god.182347/
Why was Cain's offering rejected by God?
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Another reason would be that Cain himself, was not right with God.
And the Lord respected Abel and his offering, but He did not respect Cain and his offering
Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering, but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.
So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”
Genesis 4:4-7
God said to Cain that he himself had the power and ability to do what was right to be accepted by God; to be right with God.
- If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”
I think many of us in the Church today are in Cain’s shoes.
We have the power to walk in righteousness and practice righteousness, but would rather make excuses, and hate those who promote doing what is right before the Lord.
I see it in those in this thread.
JPT
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I think you are barking up the wrong tree so to speak.
Maybe we can bulldoze the rhetorical argumentation with the following abject, brutal, profound, unequivocal truth from He who "came down from Heaven"....
"Staying saved" is not contingent upon Law or Works, it is contingent upon
truth, knowing, believing, loving and abiding. The concomitant works and deeds are quite natural given the foregoing.
“You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”
“You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”
“If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
“If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”
Maybe we can bulldoze the rhetorical argumentation with the following abject, brutal, profound, unequivocal truth from He who "came down from Heaven"....
"Staying saved" is not contingent upon Law or Works, it is contingent upon
truth, knowing, believing, loving and abiding. The concomitant works and deeds are quite natural given the foregoing.
“You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”
“You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”
“If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
“If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”
Try again..........Abel had FAITH which is seen in the BLOOD, Cain offered the WORKS of his hands and expected to be received....JUST like the MANY that call JESUS LORD and expect to be RECEIVED based upon the WORKS of their HANDS in HIS NAME......same thing you believe and espouse....
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You have been rude and disrespectful and have insulted most everyone on this thread but, you are the victim. You were once banned and now have returned violating your ban. Just being here on this forum is a sin and an offence to most people but, you are the victim.
If you expect kindness try sowing a little kindness; If you want sympathy try giving some. I you wish to have respect try being just a little respectful. If understanding then give. Most on this thread have given you all of these things and have gone over and over all of the unresolved issues yet in your world and on this forum you want to play the victim, you are the victim.
Instead of playing the victim game try accepting responsibility for your part
If you expect kindness try sowing a little kindness; If you want sympathy try giving some. I you wish to have respect try being just a little respectful. If understanding then give. Most on this thread have given you all of these things and have gone over and over all of the unresolved issues yet in your world and on this forum you want to play the victim, you are the victim.
Instead of playing the victim game try accepting responsibility for your part
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I thought practicing righteousness was as filthy rags?
This is what happens when theology is not conisistant.
It can change from epistle to epistle.
Yes, those who practice righteousness are of God.
What does righteous mean?
Be right with God.
HOW do we be right with God?
Follow His ways,,,,trust Him,,,be obedient to Him as good disciples should be.
This is what happens when theology is not conisistant.
It can change from epistle to epistle.
Yes, those who practice righteousness are of God.
What does righteous mean?
Be right with God.
HOW do we be right with God?
Follow His ways,,,,trust Him,,,be obedient to Him as good disciples should be.
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Thank you.
I've been saying the above for weeks now.
No one will explain what BELIEVE means.
No one will explain what THE LAW is.
No one will explain what DEEDS OF THE LAW are.
This is because explaining it would mean they are incorrect.
It would be very interesting to read the explanations of some here...
But they are not forthcoming since they'd have to go against everything they espouse.
I've been saying the above for weeks now.
No one will explain what BELIEVE means.
No one will explain what THE LAW is.
No one will explain what DEEDS OF THE LAW are.
This is because explaining it would mean they are incorrect.
It would be very interesting to read the explanations of some here...
But they are not forthcoming since they'd have to go against everything they espouse.
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Wrong....I always answer and either directly quote and or reference scripture, scriptural truths and or scriptural principles.....your religion keeps you from acknowledging the truth...........there are so many scriptures that your theology pits against other scriptures, you devalue words, context, conflate biblical truths and ideas and absolutely state by your view that you ultimately don't trust Christ based upon your view that you MUST help him maintain, finish or complete HIS work of salvation.........that is the truth.....MANY have addressed you, given you scripture in context, the definition of words etc. and you flat refuse to accept the truth.
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