From real experiences of the dead being raised up on occasion by exercising faith.
And you still are simply full of unbelief and denial.
Speaking in tongues
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And you still are simply full of unbelief and denial.
Well, my experience is that people die and are buried and my scriptural understanding confirms that. On the other hand, faith is 'hope', you can not use it in the same sentence as 'real experiences'.
Try something else.
Unbelief and denial of what? The sign that confirms a person is in unbelief refusing to believe prophecy the source of faith as a sign against them? Believing God is the gift God gives to those who do exercise the faith that comes by hearing the word of God, prophecy.
What do you think the sign below confirms and who is it against? The foundation is found in Isaiah 28.
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are "for a sign", not to "them" that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corithians 14:21-22
Exercising a faith that comes from where alone?.
Real like that of the Son of man in Mathew 4 that we are warned of in Colossians 2:18? or real as it is written alone and the devil a fallen angel fled.. not receiving worship of the Son of man, Jesus ?
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Mathew 4:7
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Colossians 2:18
Look at the greater context of John and see what Jesus' called his works? How is the great commission pasdage in Matthew the context of the discussion.
Healing was a 'work'. Jesus asked for which works they would stone gim. What was He talking about in context?
Compare Mark's passage similar to the great commission which tells of those who believe the message casting out devils and laying hands on the sick and the sick recovering.
If your objection is you do not see it or do not see it being done, just say that.
Garee, Waggles was talking about raising the dead in that post, not speaking in tongues.
Paul was a Christian through whom God healed people. So Paul is not condemning God's grace healing through Christians. Dorcas was raised from the dead through Peter. Paul is not condemning that. How do you apply this to a man who said the dead was raised through his church? (Irenaeus claimed the same thing.) who mentioned worshipping angels?
I see that a little differently. Dorcas was raised from the dead through the word of God, the gospel of our salvation or the hearing of faith. It as any healing has nothing to with the person Peter or any man. God is no respecter of persons and will not share His glory with the creature
God does not heal as if he was worshipped by human hands. Act 17:24. His creation serves Him. When men attribute the work of Christ to the hands of man in any way shape or form. In a sense they would be committing blaspheme. If we were to venerate or lift up a person rather than God alone for the healing .That would establish what scripture calls a evil generation, natural unconverted men having no faith that could by hearing God. He with no faith must walk by sight or observation and would declare as recorded in Acts 14 "The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men". They would need to hear the gospel and believe God the one source of God healing
And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,Acts 14:7-14
Paul refused to be reckoned as part of the healing they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out blasphemy
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;Act 17:24
No sign gifts to be sought after to used confirm the hand of man had anything to do with the healing We walk by Christ's faith as it is written and not after a sign and wonders gospel .Again as if the kingdom of God came by observation
Did you miss the part where presidente wrote, "through whom God healed"? Did you miss the part where he wrote, "through Peter"? Where do you get the idea that presidente was attributing the healing work to the men involved?
And how would Dorcas hear the gospel being preached when she's dead?
Healing was indeed a work but it was not part of the gospel. Physical healing has nothing to do with the gospel. Jesus demonstrated His deity by His works.
Judas sought a different gospel and betrayed Christ when it was not to be had.
Do you trust the power of Gods word to convert the lost?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Thus in the end those who are not of Pentecost have NO answers to the truth that these signs shall follow them that believe
the gospel of the NT saints.
Airy fairy waffle and non-sensical responses.
Look I do not have a problem with others being happy and content as Catholics, protestants, Orthodox, etc etc
But I have no joy in the constant trashing and demonizing of the Pentecostal gospel by those who do not want to embrace
the original gospel of the first church.
Beware of your constant slanders against the gospel and the Holy Ghost. People upstairs are listening in.
the gospel of the NT saints.
Airy fairy waffle and non-sensical responses.
Look I do not have a problem with others being happy and content as Catholics, protestants, Orthodox, etc etc
But I have no joy in the constant trashing and demonizing of the Pentecostal gospel by those who do not want to embrace
the original gospel of the first church.
Beware of your constant slanders against the gospel and the Holy Ghost. People upstairs are listening in.
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I hope everyone sees that this man saying that if you do not believe as he does, (tongues, raising the dead)
you are lost and bound for hell.
Rubbish. Fake News!!
What I am saying is that if people do not believe in Pentecostal Holy Spirit revival of today - then be happy with your choices of
denominations but stop with the blasphemies against the full gospel and against the holy Spirit.
Many many posts on the subject of speaking in tongues, miracles and signs following believers as in the first church stoop to
little more than accusing Pentecostal worshippers and disciples as being expressions of the demonic and false signs by Satan.
And your response is so typical of the constant belittling and deriding against true worshippers clearly experiencing and
enjoying John 4:24.
Yes. His response did not make sense in context and was full of strawmen.
You need o read the Bible. Healing and miracles accompany the preaching of the Gospel. Paul wrote that with signs and wonders he had fully preached the gospel of Christ. Embrace the full counsel of God's word not just bits and pieces.
Well it seems like you guys have got on fine without me!
But to answer your questions:
1. some people knew some of the languages, the others are guesses. For example there was a Polish woman present named Aleksandra Spokolita, she knew the Polish part, I myself am part Spanish etc.
2. It seemed that she was telling the same story, and when she reverted to English she just mumbled Spoko Haram or Spooko Horm or something, it was quite difficult to understand.
3. She seemed to understand quite a lot yes!
My biggest question is, do you think that this is possible??
Thank you.
I think the Catholics make Peter into a god in the likeness of men as a patron saint or what the scriptures call a legion of workers with a familiar spirits. They have many gods in the likeness of men just as those who witness the work of the Holy Spirit giving the lame the ability to walk in Acts 14
Did you miss the part that through Balaam's Ass God restrained the madness of the false prophet Balaam? Why did he us a Ass?. What is the spiritual significance in doing so.?
How could we hear the gospel seeing we were dead in our trespass and sin without a faith that could please God and how did Lazarus hear it being dead three days with no qualifier? Did the Holy Spirit prophecy or declare the will of God to Lazarus bones ...rises you bag of bones, giving him ear to hear what the spirit says to the churches??
Ezekiel 37:4Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.
If you miss the spiritual understanding hid in those parables like with Dorcas, how could you ever understand what the Spirit is saying to us ?
Yes signs that follow... not sign we seek after so we can glory by edifying our own flesh. That is for the generation of natural unconverted man. They have no other recourse then to walk by sight .They have no faith by which they could believe God not seen
Luke 11:29And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Its like the first outward sign when Satan the father of lies having no form of his own put his words in the mouth of the creature (seen)as that seen and not the faith of God not seen, that kind of seduction has not changed,. Satn used it as his motive of operation with Peter in Mathew 16 :22-23 . the Son of man walked by faith and believed the father not seen .
The same law of faith in Genesis applies today
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Did you ignore the post to which I responded... again? Your post has nothing to do with mine.
Is it OK for those who walk by sight to mock God who mocks them with stammering deriding lips?
Blaspheming God shown by the reaction of the believers who were accredited for the work of God healing a person by those who did not have faith.They called them gods in the likeness of men . The gospel saves and God does use the temporal healing of men in parables to show they were given faith to believe as a sign that follows. Not one we seek after. .as if we walked by sight and the kingdom of God did come by observation
And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
What you offer that's not the kind of performance I have witnessed going to a Pentecostal assembly they encourage the preacher who put his hand on its members to be god's in the likeness of men .
Have you studied the foundation of tongue (Isaiah 28) according to the law revisited in 1 Corinthians 14?.
There is a new thread started on the foundation of tongues doctrine .Will you join in?