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kaylagrl

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If we value being forgiven we must forgive. "Forgive us our trespasses as WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESSPASS AGAINST US..."

It's not about forgiveness, nor judging. It's about telling them the truth,the Gospel. To say they were born that way or it's a mental issue is to deny it's sin. We are to be salt and light to the world.
 

calibob

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You seem to believe your ideology is on par with Christ and that you'll be vindicated upon his return.

I have to say your position is unbiblical. It is nothing less than political correctness, it isn't Christianity.

You keep saying you forgive sodomites. Do you have a Scripture that shows were to forgive the practiced sin of the world at large? Do you ever even use Scripture? Aren't you also unchurched? Yes, you've stated you don't go to church, there aren't any real ones around you by your own testimony.

But there are real ones, that's the troubling thing because it comments more on you.

The Lord's prayer isn't a cover for sin and that's how you're misusing it.

Bob you really need to just stop, nothing you're teaching is biblical Christianity. It appears that being a social worker has worn a hole through whatever biblical doctrine you've ever embraced. You're not being Christian because there is no offense in your message to the world, no cross, no stumbling block, nothing offensive, it all caters to the flesh and sinners and is frankly apostate. The world will embrace your message showing it to be false.

Lastly we've unfortunately had to deal with social workers due to our son. It wasn't pretty. I thought it was just us, but a simple web search of others dealing with social workers will be rather enlightening and saddening.
I was brought up RCC but started realizing they were mixing lies in their doctrines. I wondered if there really was a God and so I left and questioned everything A few years later I started reading the Bible and met some Christians that were affiliated with Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa. They held Bible studies in a park and I bonded with them. We were too poor for a building but we took up a collection to rent an auditorium to hear some missionaries that returned from Africa. I changed my life.

I volunteered at a rescue mission for a month then joined Melodyland Christian Center. I attended their school of the Bible and was allowed to audit classes in New Testament studies and Kingdom of the cults under Dr. Walter Martin and got a full time job.

Would you like me to go on? That was the early 80's Salvation Army, The friends, set free prison and biker ministries....

I read the bible every day and work with others and make collages and help with panels regularly posted here. I tried to find a Calvary Chapel or Quaker church in my area. The nearest one is 90 miles away. Busses here don't run on Sunday and the Salvation army Corps church is a long walk on a knee implant. No church is better in my opinion than a bad one. My main text is Matthew 5, 6 & 7. AKA The Sermon on the mount. Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, mind and soul and love thy neighbor as thy self.

As a counselor I worked with Ex cons & addicts but homos and mental illness were always present. As a social worker I went through alleys and river beds helping the homeless get food, housing and medical treatment. What's your resume?
 

calibob

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Who is he?

Is this "sinner saved by grace" extend to everyone, you make is sound like this is what you believe?
Every one that believes Jesus died for our sins and asked Christ into their life is a sinner saved by grace. Everyone that thinks they can work their way to heaven without humbling them self is sadly mistaken but Jesus will decide their fate.
 

calibob

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It's not about forgiveness, nor judging. It's about telling them the truth,the Gospel. To say they were born that way or it's a mental issue is to deny it's sin. We are to be salt and light to the world.
We are all sinners and mental illness does not excuse our sinful nature. It is not the same as retardation where a person may have the mind of a child.
 
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kaylagrl

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We are all sinners and mental illness does not excuse our sinful nature. It is not the same as retardation where a person may have the mind of a child.
We are all sinners,but unless their sin is under the blood they are lost sinners. We have an advocate before the throne. So let's not compare Christians with the world. If there is no difference between the church and the world we are in a heap of trouble. They are lost because they are choosing sin. It's not mental illness,a mental illness can't be helped,as in it is not their fault. Being gay is a choice and it is sin. We need to be salt and light so they are not lost before it is too late.
 
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obedienttogod

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We are all sinners and mental illness does not excuse our sinful nature. It is not the same as retardation where a person may have the mind of a child.

But it is possible they have the mind like that of a Narcissist. Studies have proven, narcissist and psychopaths (and I am including homosexuals in this) are just not wired correctly. The left side of the brain is where most ideas come from. Let's put the thinking of sexual acts of the homosexuals in the same category as thinking about murder, thinking about hurting someone, doing someone wrong, thinking about stealing from someone, etc.

A normal brain, when the idea of stealing killing, doing something immoral some how arises.. the right side of the brain, (where your morals and common sense comes from) will intercept the idea from the left side of the brain and typically overrule the immoral idea. But in the mind of a narcissist, psychopath, and I am putting the LBG&T crew at.. there literally is nothing connecting both sides of the brain. So when they think of killing, hurting someone, or for the LBG&T looking at same sex and finding it appeasing, from the left side of the brain, there is no override and intercept happening from the right side at all. So, they never view what they have done as immoral. Yes, they do know right from wrong, especially when they are done wrong. But when solely based upon their own actions, they do not ever see it as wrong.

Now obviously, if anyone of these types of people are demon possessed, then that is a different condition to the puzzle all together.
 

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As far as I'm concerned he did practically nothing to deserve becoming a president, besides sounding good, and did almost as little after being elected.

You're thinking of Obama.

Like when he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize after only 11 days in office. 😆
 

calibob

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But it is possible they have the mind like that of a Narcissist. Studies have proven, narcissist and psychopaths (and I am including homosexuals in this) are just not wired correctly. The left side of the brain is where most ideas come from. Let's put the thinking of sexual acts of the homosexuals in the same category as thinking about murder, thinking about hurting someone, doing someone wrong, thinking about stealing from someone, etc.

A normal brain, when the idea of stealing killing, doing something immoral some how arises.. the right side of the brain, (where your morals and common sense comes from) will intercept the idea from the left side of the brain and typically overrule the immoral idea. But in the mind of a narcissist, psychopath, and I am putting the LBG&T crew at.. there literally is nothing connecting both sides of the brain. So when they think of killing, hurting someone, or for the LBG&T looking at same sex and finding it appeasing, from the left side of the brain, there is no override and intercept happening from the right side at all. So, they never view what they have done as immoral. Yes, they do know right from wrong, especially when they are done wrong. But when solely based upon their own actions, they do not ever see it as wrong.

Now obviously, if anyone of these types of people are demon possessed, then that is a different condition to the puzzle all together.
Yes! That's the gist of it all. If the cord that connects the two hemispheres of the brain is damaged by say mommy tripped over the baby blanket and dropped them on their head or daddy cold cocked them either side of the brain alone is capable of keeping the body functioning but they may become intellectually or emotionally dysfunctional for life. Then there are other traumas like rape. Little boys get raped too. Either way they can't care about what they were taught was right and wrong to them if it feels good that's good enough. In short they are broken. Thanks. I've been trying to remember the name of the cord but I finally gave up trying and looked it up; Corpus Callosum. My memory isn't as good as it was 10 years ago. Thanks again!
 
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obedienttogod

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Yes! That's the gist of it all. If the cord that connects the two hemispheres of the brain is damaged by say mommy tripped over the baby blanket and dropped them on their head or daddy cold cocked them either side of the brain alone is capable of keeping the body functioning but they may become intellectually or emotionally dysfunctional for life. Then there are other traumas like rape. Little boys get raped too. Either way they can't care about what they were taught was right and wrong to them if it feels good that's good enough. In short they are broken. Thanks. I've been trying to remember the name of the cord but I finally gave up trying and looked it up; Corpus Callosum. My memory isn't as good as it was 10 years ago. Thanks again!


Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, when the mother drinks during the pregnancy can also cause this dysfunction. It all seems to boil down to an action of sin. Now, I am not saying having a drink or 2 is a sin, but doing that when you are pregnant in the developmental stages, seems like a sin unto God's perfect creation!!
 
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kaylagrl

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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, when the mother drinks during the pregnancy can also cause this dysfunction. It all seems to boil down to an action of sin. Now, I am not saying having a drink or 2 is a sin, but doing that when you are pregnant in the developmental stages, seems like a sin unto God's perfect creation!!

Sin is a choice and the Bible makes clear that homosexuality is a choice and a perversion. It's not a mental issue,it's a choice. If it's simply a mental issue then they can't help acting on in and God would be cruel and unjust to say something is sin if it cannot be helped. If it's just preference then so is pedophilia. And we should forgive them too. Sin is a choice. Homosexuality is a choice. And they need to be set free.
 

calibob

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@UnderGrace @preacher4truth I get discouraged when I can't remember where simple things like separating the sheep from the goats are. I feel stupid when I have to look them up but overnight I usually remember. Matthew 25 verses 41, 42 & 43 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'depart from me you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink. I was a stranger and you did not invite me in. I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me." That along with sermon on the mount sums up the majority of what I believe and have done since being saved about 40 years ago.
 

calibob

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Sin is a choice and the Bible makes clear that homosexuality is a choice and a perversion. It's not a mental issue,it's a choice. If it's simply a mental issue then they can't help acting on in and God would be cruel and unjust to say something is sin if it cannot be helped. If it's just preference then so is pedophilia. And we should forgive them too. Sin is a choice. Homosexuality is a choice. And they need to be set free.
Sin cannot be helped if we could obey all of the rules why did Jesus allow his blood to be shed? Before we were born I'd like to add. His grace abounded before we knew him however that don't know him yet deserve the same chances he gave us.
 
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kaylagrl

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Sin cannot be helped if we could obey all of the rules why did Jesus allow his blood to be shed? Before we were born I'd like to add. His grace abounded before we knew him however that don't know him yet deserve the same chances he gave us.

So you're saying sin is not a choice?
 
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But it is possible they have the mind like that of a Narcissist. Studies have proven, narcissist and psychopaths (and I am including homosexuals in this) are just not wired correctly. The left side of the brain is where most ideas come from. Let's put the thinking of sexual acts of the homosexuals in the same category as thinking about murder, thinking about hurting someone, doing someone wrong, thinking about stealing from someone, etc.

A normal brain, when the idea of stealing killing, doing something immoral some how arises.. the right side of the brain, (where your morals and common sense comes from) will intercept the idea from the left side of the brain and typically overrule the immoral idea. But in the mind of a narcissist, psychopath, and I am putting the LBG&T crew at.. there literally is nothing connecting both sides of the brain. So when they think of killing, hurting someone, or for the LBG&T looking at same sex and finding it appeasing, from the left side of the brain, there is no override and intercept happening from the right side at all. So, they never view what they have done as immoral. Yes, they do know right from wrong, especially when they are done wrong. But when solely based upon their own actions, they do not ever see it as wrong.

Now obviously, if anyone of these types of people are demon possessed, then that is a different condition to the puzzle all together.
Please cite your research where a damaged corpus callosum is indicated in homosexual behaviour?
Then I would also like research on brain studies that show the narcissists, psychopaths and homosexuals are born with this brain damage.
Thank you:)
 

blue_ladybug

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Please cite your research where a damaged corpus callosum is indicated in homosexual behaviour?
Then I would also like research on brain studies that show the narcissists, psychopaths and homosexuals are born with this brain damage.
Thank you:)
I was born with brain damage. But I'm not a homosexual. So people cannot blame brain damage, being "born that way" or whatever, on how their sexual preferences change later in life..
 
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obedienttogod

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Please cite your research where a damaged corpus callosum is indicated in homosexual behaviour?
Then I would also like research on brain studies that show the narcissists, psychopaths and homosexuals are born with this brain damage.
Thank you:)


It can be related to Narcissism:

Narcissist Problems: Betrayal is The New Black
https://www.narcissistproblems.com/2018/02/betrayal-is-the-new...
De Bellis and colleagues have demonstrated in children with maltreatment related PTSD, significantly smaller volumes in the cerebral and prefrontal cortex, temporal lobes, corpus callosum and cerebellum.


It can be realted to Homosexuality:

Homosexuality & Choice: Are Gay People 'Born This Way ...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/homosexuality--choice...
Oct 23, 2012 · Some studies have shown that the corpus callosum – the main connection between the two halves of the brain- has a different structure in gay men than in straight men.


Corpus Callosum Anatomy in Right-Handed Homosexual and ...
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-007-9276-y
Non-right-handedness in men has been associated with increased size of the corpus callosum (CC), particularly of the isthmus, which is the posterior region of the callosal body connecting parietotemporal cortical regions. We hypothesized that isthmal area would be greater in homosexual
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It can be the cause to someone being skitzo:

Schizophrenia symptoms linked to abnormalities in brain’s ...
https://www.psypost.org/2015/10/schizophrenia-symptoms-linked-to...
The scans of patients with schizophrenia revealed various abnormalities in portions of the corpus callosum, a bundle of fibers that connects the left and right hemispheres of the brain and is considered critical to neural communication. ... PsyPost.org is a psychology news website dedicated to reporting research related to human behavior ...


It can be related to Autism:

[PDF]Autism Traits in Individuals with Agenesis of the Corpus ...
docs.autismresearchcentre.com/papers/2012_Lau_etal_CorpusCallosum...
Autism Traits in Individuals with Agenesis of the Corpus Callosum ... spheric connectivity in autism and related neurodevelop-mental disorders (Paul et al. 2007). While the prevalence of ASD for individuals with AgCC is unknown, there is a growing literature documenting

Agenesis of Corpus Callosum Linked to Autism | IFLScience
https://www.iflscience.com/brain/agenesis-corpus-callosum-linked...
The corpus callosum is a wide bundle of over 200 million axons which link the right and left hemispheres of the brain. During development, this important bridge is not always formed correctly and ...


It can be related to Attention Deficit Disorder:

Causes of Adult Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder ...
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/adhd/causes-of-adult-attention...
The exact causes of adult attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) are unknown. ... and the two frontal lobes communicate through a bundle of nerve fibers called the corpus callosum. These ...


It can be related to Fetal Alcohol Syndrome:

Corpus Callosum Defects Associated with Fetal Alcohol ...
https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/corpus-callosum-defects-associated...
Corpus Callosum Defects Associated with Fetal Alcohol SyndromePrenatal exposure to alcohol (ethanol) can result in a continuum of developmental abnormalities that are highly variable depending on the severity, duration, frequency, and timing of exposure during gestation.


It can be related to MS:

corpus callosum - multiple sclerosis encyclopaedia
www.mult-sclerosis.org/corpuscallosum.html
The corpus callosum is an area of the brain that is fairly likely to be attacked in multiple sclerosis.. The corpus callosum is one of the two main connections between the two halves (hemispheres) of the brain (the other one is the anterior commissure).



It can be related serial homicide (that can fall on the results of both Narcissism and Psychopths):

Developmental pathways to serial homicide: A critical ...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359178916302154
A more transdisciplinary approach to the study of the developmental pathways to serial homicide is advocated. ... also known as The French Ripper raised important questions about the role of brain physiology as it related to homicidal violence ... Structural abnormalities to the corpus callosum have also been found in psychopaths (Raine ...
 
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UnderGrace

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I was born with brain damage. But I'm not a homosexual. So people cannot blame brain damage, being "born that way" or whatever, on how their sexual preferences change later in life..
Excellent point!!
 
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@obedienttogod

Only one reputable journal in the whole thing and it was not related to what I asked

Teki, S. et al. (2012). Navigating the auditory scene: an expert role for the hippocampus. Journal of Neuroscience, 32(35): 12251-12257.

These brain anomalies would need to be present at birth for "cause"
of those disorders. That has not been found unless you have a study on new born babies or prenatal studies.

Correlation is not cause.
 
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obedienttogod

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@obedienttogod

Only one reputable journal in the whole thing and it was not related to what I asked

Teki, S. et al. (2012). Navigating the auditory scene: an expert role for the hippocampus. Journal of Neuroscience, 32(35): 12251-12257.

These brain anomalies would need to be present at birth for "cause"
of those disorders. That has not been found unless you have a study on new born babies or prenatal studies.

Correlation is not cause.


I sometimes wonder, since science does its best discovery through research, if much of this is learned from a corpse.

Let's say someone was homosexual, sex predator, psychopath, narcissist, autistic, fetal alcohol syndrome, whatever it may be. But after they died, they were able to remove the brain and discover there was issue with their corpus callosum. Science will then create a theory based upon that finding until it can be proven otherwise. Unfortunately, the list I provided, science believes to be accurate.


But, by no means, does this mean it relates to everyone who suffers brain trauma of some sort. There is no reason for anyone to feel less than because a few were diagnosed by this condition.

You are a child of the Most High!!

You do not fall into any of these categories.

Be assured that this has NOTHING to do with you!!
 
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UnderGrace

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homosexual, sex predator, psychopath, narcissist, autistic, fetal alcohol syndrome,
These should not be lumped together,

FASD and Autism is not comparable to the the rest of the list.