The tower of Babel
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OK, I Guess you were waiting....
The trick is....the ancients used 6 astronomical values to measure time and predict eclipses.
Two of these values they then also drew as half-values, which then age 8 angular values.
To each of these angles they then gave a consonant.
Then to the consonant they added a vowel. The sound of the vowel was controlled by the direction of the line (to above or below the horizontal, or the right or left of vertical)
It's really a very simple code.
Now the link to the Babel Tower is.....this angular code can be found worldwide.
This means the Bible was right. There was an ancient world language.
But it wasn't just a spoken language....it was also a written language.
And the connection to temples......
Many ancient temples were constructed using these astronomical numbers.
The trick is....the ancients used 6 astronomical values to measure time and predict eclipses.
Two of these values they then also drew as half-values, which then age 8 angular values.
To each of these angles they then gave a consonant.
Then to the consonant they added a vowel. The sound of the vowel was controlled by the direction of the line (to above or below the horizontal, or the right or left of vertical)
It's really a very simple code.
Now the link to the Babel Tower is.....this angular code can be found worldwide.
This means the Bible was right. There was an ancient world language.
But it wasn't just a spoken language....it was also a written language.
And the connection to temples......
Many ancient temples were constructed using these astronomical numbers.
I don't know about Mancher's reference, but in the world of Linguistics, there is a lot of research on a sort of universal "proto-language".
There's something called Nostratic which is thought to be the parent tongue of many macro photo-languages (Proto Into-European is one language that developed from Nostratic).
There's something even older from which Nostratic developed from which encompasses most of the world's languages. So, there is a definite possibility of a few "parent languages" in our extreme past (when humans were first learning language as we come to understand it today) from which all the present languages developed from. It's a fascinating study, but unfortunately, it's not exactly what I'd call "light reading" for many people. It can get a bit technical, but even so, I'd recommend checking it out; worth a look!
There's something called Nostratic which is thought to be the parent tongue of many macro photo-languages (Proto Into-European is one language that developed from Nostratic).
There's something even older from which Nostratic developed from which encompasses most of the world's languages. So, there is a definite possibility of a few "parent languages" in our extreme past (when humans were first learning language as we come to understand it today) from which all the present languages developed from. It's a fascinating study, but unfortunately, it's not exactly what I'd call "light reading" for many people. It can get a bit technical, but even so, I'd recommend checking it out; worth a look!
As for ancienr languages, Chinese is different from other modern languages written in that they are ideograms or pictographs. Rather than using alphabets.
Theres this book i forget the name about genesis and the chinese language...
Heres a link when I tried to google it that explains a bit more. .
https://www.icr.org/article/genesis-chinese-pictographs/
Theres this book i forget the name about genesis and the chinese language...
Heres a link when I tried to google it that explains a bit more. .
https://www.icr.org/article/genesis-chinese-pictographs/
Yep your right....There is much work on trying to recreate the original world language.
This work is related.
The idea that ancient geometric symbols might hold some degree of meaning was postulated by two archaeologists (Denise Schmandt-Besserat and Genevieve von Petzinger)
Denise Schmandt-Besserat suggested that early 9,000 year old Mesopotamian tokens (which are geometric in shape) may have evolved form earlier geometric symbols found in Stone Age era caves, but she didn't know how to scientifically prove the hypothesis.
Genevieve von Petzinger's work is more recent, and she argued that various geometric symbols in Stone Age caves may contain some degree of symbolic thought, but the problem she face was a scientific method to determine if similar (bot not identical) symbols were related.
Then there is an idea that was first postulated in the journal Popular Archaeology that perhaps the geometric symbols were a type of astronomical short-hand. However the problem was how to prove the angular distribution is truly a deliberate design, and the analysis was not being influence by bias.
The breakthrough was to do.a simple test. And that was to deliberately align the various geometrics so that one angular value always dominated......then that data was thrown out (because it was biased)
Then the analysis looked at only the second the third and the fourth most common values.
If the angles observed were random....then the drawings but be random doodles
If the angles repeatedly show the same array....the angle must be a type of text.
.....the result is, the angles routinely match specific angular values
And the angles relate to the values that astronomers use to measure time (and to predict ecplipses).
The Chinese image was found at an astronomical site, and the symbol could be translated to show the names of the planets and the name of the moon and the sun.
And the same symbols are found in Australia.....on 20,000 year old "Message stones". That's the name the Australian tribe gave to the stones.
In Africa there are geometrical symbols that are 100,000 years old. The markings are consistent with the theory.
This work is related.
The idea that ancient geometric symbols might hold some degree of meaning was postulated by two archaeologists (Denise Schmandt-Besserat and Genevieve von Petzinger)
Denise Schmandt-Besserat suggested that early 9,000 year old Mesopotamian tokens (which are geometric in shape) may have evolved form earlier geometric symbols found in Stone Age era caves, but she didn't know how to scientifically prove the hypothesis.
Genevieve von Petzinger's work is more recent, and she argued that various geometric symbols in Stone Age caves may contain some degree of symbolic thought, but the problem she face was a scientific method to determine if similar (bot not identical) symbols were related.
Then there is an idea that was first postulated in the journal Popular Archaeology that perhaps the geometric symbols were a type of astronomical short-hand. However the problem was how to prove the angular distribution is truly a deliberate design, and the analysis was not being influence by bias.
The breakthrough was to do.a simple test. And that was to deliberately align the various geometrics so that one angular value always dominated......then that data was thrown out (because it was biased)
Then the analysis looked at only the second the third and the fourth most common values.
If the angles observed were random....then the drawings but be random doodles
If the angles repeatedly show the same array....the angle must be a type of text.
.....the result is, the angles routinely match specific angular values
And the angles relate to the values that astronomers use to measure time (and to predict ecplipses).
The Chinese image was found at an astronomical site, and the symbol could be translated to show the names of the planets and the name of the moon and the sun.
And the same symbols are found in Australia.....on 20,000 year old "Message stones". That's the name the Australian tribe gave to the stones.
In Africa there are geometrical symbols that are 100,000 years old. The markings are consistent with the theory.
Actually this links in smoothly to the idea described above.
This is because a secondary study was carried out on early Chinese texts (linear Shang Dynasty texts) and it was found the earliest Chinese text are draw drawn to specific angular values.
So it seems the older Stone Age text was adapted to develop more modern texts.
The same result was observed in early Mesopotamian texts...then over time the need for angular values disappeared, as the language developed into more modern alphabets.
This is because a secondary study was carried out on early Chinese texts (linear Shang Dynasty texts) and it was found the earliest Chinese text are draw drawn to specific angular values.
So it seems the older Stone Age text was adapted to develop more modern texts.
The same result was observed in early Mesopotamian texts...then over time the need for angular values disappeared, as the language developed into more modern alphabets.
One should keep in mind that many times, the way a particular script is written; angles, direction, etc. have to do with the surface upon which they were first written. Germanic runes, for example, are very angular; no round shapes. This is because they are originally carved on staves of wood; hard to get rounded shapes without messing up the wood. Just food for thought.
Thanks Kavik
Yep we noted that problem too
This is why it took seven years to develop a reliable test.
First we needed to find samples that had enough lines on them to be tested (samples with over 100 lines were rare but they are a few scattered around the world).
Then we often had to either retake photographs to confirm the sample was being observed correctly.
As a note one early sample was a petroglyph in Hawaii, which seemed to fail the test, but then after visiting the site to see why it had failed we realized the petroglyph was high up a wall and the original photograph had been taken from below. When the wall was rephotographed, it was found the lines aligned as expected to the angular array.
Just now we are waiting for the museum staff to retake some photographs of message sticks in Australia, because the original photographs were not taken directly above the samples.
In the examples where we could access artefacts that had lines on more than one side we found we could do blind tests to confirm the patterns on all sides were aligning to the same angles.
One of the earliest studies was published in Popular Archaeology. At that point in the analysis the idea was being developed, and it was unclear if the idea could survive further testing
https://popular-archaeology.com/art...umental-complex-exhibits-astronomical-values/
Since then there has been multiple collaborations with (for example) Wiltshire Museum in England (This is the Museum linked to Stonehenge) and with the Scottish Government (to access detailed images of the Stone of Scone). The research is also backed by Martin Schoyen (who owns the world's largest private collection of ancient writing) who helped undertake some blind tests on archaic Australian scripts.
In total over 100 Stone Age artefacts have now been analyzed, and the data is quite consistent. Actually I think the data from Lascaux Cave gave fantastic data, as the geometrics suggested they were part of an initiation, where the more complex astronomical values were found deeper in the cave.
Yep we noted that problem too
This is why it took seven years to develop a reliable test.
First we needed to find samples that had enough lines on them to be tested (samples with over 100 lines were rare but they are a few scattered around the world).
Then we often had to either retake photographs to confirm the sample was being observed correctly.
As a note one early sample was a petroglyph in Hawaii, which seemed to fail the test, but then after visiting the site to see why it had failed we realized the petroglyph was high up a wall and the original photograph had been taken from below. When the wall was rephotographed, it was found the lines aligned as expected to the angular array.
Just now we are waiting for the museum staff to retake some photographs of message sticks in Australia, because the original photographs were not taken directly above the samples.
In the examples where we could access artefacts that had lines on more than one side we found we could do blind tests to confirm the patterns on all sides were aligning to the same angles.
One of the earliest studies was published in Popular Archaeology. At that point in the analysis the idea was being developed, and it was unclear if the idea could survive further testing
https://popular-archaeology.com/art...umental-complex-exhibits-astronomical-values/
Since then there has been multiple collaborations with (for example) Wiltshire Museum in England (This is the Museum linked to Stonehenge) and with the Scottish Government (to access detailed images of the Stone of Scone). The research is also backed by Martin Schoyen (who owns the world's largest private collection of ancient writing) who helped undertake some blind tests on archaic Australian scripts.
In total over 100 Stone Age artefacts have now been analyzed, and the data is quite consistent. Actually I think the data from Lascaux Cave gave fantastic data, as the geometrics suggested they were part of an initiation, where the more complex astronomical values were found deeper in the cave.
Hi Dino
Regarding recently published literature....
Can I reference a book here? I don't want to run afoul of any rules.....
.....There was an article published on Ancient Origins that covered the Chinese translation of the Babel Text.
But it doesn't actually go into much detail; as the article was about the seventh in a long series, but it does reference other sources where the idea was described in more detail.
Regarding recently published literature....
Can I reference a book here? I don't want to run afoul of any rules.....
.....There was an article published on Ancient Origins that covered the Chinese translation of the Babel Text.
But it doesn't actually go into much detail; as the article was about the seventh in a long series, but it does reference other sources where the idea was described in more detail.