Falling back slain in the spirit?

TheLearner · Jan 17, 2019

Still curious, do you know anyone who visits hospitals today to heal everyone?

When I was at David Grant Medical on Travis AFB, I encountered a Pentecostal who claimed that he could heal anyone. So, I pointed out the Hospital at the top of the hill and said, lets to up there and do it. I started walking up the hill with him next to me, by the time I was up the hill, he was no where to be found.

John 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.

3 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.

4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.

6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?

7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.

8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.

9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.

10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.

Dino246 · Jan 17, 2019

garee said:

I responded with this: "Where in Scripture is all this stated? Nowhere that I can find."

To which you responded with:

garee said:

Now... that's called a "dodge". You didn't answer the question. You provided a brush off with no evidence to support it.

Then you continued with yet another example of poor hermeneutics. We don't find truth by considering where it is not used.

So, once again, where in Scripture is blasphemy (that exact term) likened to a violation of the first commandment etc. as you previously asserted?

stonesoffire · Jan 17, 2019

TheLearner said:

mental illness. The child falling into fire.

stonesoffire · Jan 17, 2019

The minister I spoke of was Jack Hayford. Well known. He had a headache. When he went into the bathroom and looked into the mirror, he saw a demon with it's hand down into his head. He rebuked the demon off and his headache left too.

dcontroversal · Jan 17, 2019

louis said:

Does not change the fact that Paul was an apostle, inspired and taught by direct revelation from Christ.......

obedienttogod · Jan 18, 2019

louis said:

I agree concerning how cancer can work, and how our cells are able at times to defend the body without medical need.

About miracles in general:
This is my opinion based upon observation and personal experience:

It's true that when a group of believers gather in Jesus Name He is present, the Bible tells us so. It's true the amount of faith and possibilities for miracles are greater in a setting of true believers worshiping God. But many times, the spark that ignites God to be enabled to freely work, often just begins in a group setting. The real proof of what God is doing typically happens later on. Yes, the miracle can take place and be instant. But it doesn't always work that way.

Some examples of things that happened after a group setting of believers praying for a miracle:

There was a farmer who attended church every time the doors were opened. But he never accepted Jesus and became a follower of Christ. He just went to church because that is how he was raised. One Sunday, this farmer did something none of us had ever seen him do before. He went to the altar and begged Jesus to forgive him and to help him become saved. It was amazing, because we all knew him and it was well known that he didn't really believe in God. This was actually the true miracle of his life and we had witnessed it. Anyways, a few days later he was working in one of his fields. It was a level field, but closer to the pond it had a small decline. He set his brake and jumped out of the Case tractor to remove a large rock that seemed to finally be loose enough to move. Some how the brake popped and slowly began rolling toward him. He had his back to the tractor and never saw it. Well, it hit him and the force pushed face down into the shallows of the pond. The tractor continued rolling and stopped right over him. He was trapped under water and had no way of getting out.

Now mind you, his property was large and out in the middle of nowhere. He hardly ever had traffic. In fact, he was about the only one who ever used the roads surrounding his property. But some how and for no apparent reason, this man was walking and happened to be walking on the one road near this particular field by the pond. The man claims he saw the farmer trying to move the rock and saw the tractor begin rolling toward him and eventually trapped him under water. This man hopped the fence, ran to the tractor, put it in gear, backed it off away from the farmer, killed the tractor motor and left it in gear to keep it from rolling, jumped out and drug the farmer out of the water, resuscitated him, and saved his life. About that time, the farmers wife arrived home and saw this man with the farmer and went out to see what was going on.

So, here we are at church listening to this testimony. And the real kicker is (outside the fact this man was just walking by the property which is literally in the middle of nowhere) this man had never been on a farm, been near a tractor, knew nothing about a tractor (but he was able to jump into one, put it into gear, back it off the farmer, hit the kill switch, left it in gear to ensure it would definitely not roll, then saved the farmers life...just 3 days after the farmer gave his life to GOD!!).

The wife said they offered the man money, a ride into town, something to eat, and the man said he was on a schedule but it was based upon him walking. They said they watched him walk down the road, which goes down a slight incline and you can see for what appears for miles, and he just vanished. They hopped into the wife's car and drove to where they thought they last saw the man, and then drove past another mile or so. They never saw the man again.

So yeah, our congregation had its share of amazing miracles. God definitely had His hand upon our church body.

Demi777 · Jan 18, 2019

TheLearner said:

Still curious, do you know anyone who visits hospitals today to heal everyone?

When I was at David Grant Medical on Travis AFB, I encountered a Pentecostal who claimed that he could heal anyone. So, I pointed out the Hospital at the top of the hill and said, lets to up there and do it. I started walking up the hill with him next to me, by the time I was up the hill, he was no where to be found.

John 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.

3 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.

4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.

6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?

7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.

8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.

9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.

10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.

A friend of mine prays for people and many have been healed. He works together with doctors and hospitals. So h3 goes there or doctors send him termally sick people to pray for

obedienttogod · Jan 18, 2019

garee said:

And if you continue reading, you can clearly see this was a teaching lesson. Before this moment, Jesus did not speak specifics to His Disciples concerning His mission was also to die. I am sure the Disciples thought the same as the Pharisee's thought when Jesus said, destroy this temple and in 3 days I will resurrect it again (they thought Jesus meant the physical Temple, not the body of Christ). The reason I believe this was a specific teaching lesson for Peter, was a few verses earlier, God revealed to Peter the true identity of Jesus. And then right away, Jesus says He is going to be captured, beaten, killed.

Just like Jesus told Peter he would deny Him. Peter was going to be the backbone of the 12 after Jesus ascended. Jesus taught Him valuable lessons by the rebuke and the denial. But I believe God intended it to happen so He could prepare Peter. And we see the results later in the Book of Acts.

I don't think you are seeing the overall big picture of how God trained Peter. It was necessary for Peter to commit these ignorant human reactions in order to understand how God actually works. You see a couple infractions and want to hang Peter. You are human, I am sure you have done stupid things and became educated by them. That is the same for Peter.

louis · Jan 18, 2019

obedienttogod said:

I agree concerning how cancer can work, and how our cells are able at times to defend the body without medical need.

About miracles in general:
This is my opinion based upon observation and personal experience:

It's true that when a group of believers gather in Jesus Name He is present, the Bible tells us so. It's true the amount of faith and possibilities for miracles are greater in a setting of true believers worshiping God. But many times, the spark that ignites God to be enabled to freely work, often just begins in a group setting. The real proof of what God is doing typically happens later on. Yes, the miracle can take place and be instant. But it doesn't always work that way.

Some examples of things that happened after a group setting of believers praying for a miracle:

There was a farmer who attended church every time the doors were opened. But he never accepted Jesus and became a follower of Christ. He just went to church because that is how he was raised. One Sunday, this farmer did something none of us had ever seen him do before. He went to the altar and begged Jesus to forgive him and to help him become saved. It was amazing, because we all knew him and it was well known that he didn't really believe in God. This was actually the true miracle of his life and we had witnessed it. Anyways, a few days later he was working in one of his fields. It was a level field, but closer to the pond it had a small decline. He set his brake and jumped out of the Case tractor to remove a large rock that seemed to finally be loose enough to move. Some how the brake popped and slowly began rolling toward him. He had his back to the tractor and never saw it. Well, it hit him and the force pushed face down into the shallows of the pond. The tractor continued rolling and stopped right over him. He was trapped under water and had no way of getting out.

Now mind you, his property was large and out in the middle of nowhere. He hardly ever had traffic. In fact, he was about the only one who ever used the roads surrounding his property. But some how and for no apparent reason, this man was walking and happened to be walking on the one road near this particular field by the pond. The man claims he saw the farmer trying to move the rock and saw the tractor begin rolling toward him and eventually trapped him under water. This man hopped the fence, ran to the tractor, put it in gear, backed it off away from the farmer, killed the tractor motor and left it in gear to keep it from rolling, jumped out and drug the farmer out of the water, resuscitated him, and saved his life. About that time, the farmers wife arrived home and saw this man with the farmer and went out to see what was going on.

So, here we are at church listening to this testimony. And the real kicker is (outside the fact this man was just walking by the property which is literally in the middle of nowhere) this man had never been on a farm, been near a tractor, knew nothing about a tractor (but he was able to jump into one, put it into gear, back it off the farmer, hit the kill switch, left it in gear to ensure it would definitely not roll, then saved the farmers life...just 3 days after the farmer gave his life to GOD!!).

The wife said they offered the man money, a ride into town, something to eat, and the man said he was on a schedule but it was based upon him walking. They said they watched him walk down the road, which goes down a slight incline and you can see for what appears for miles, and he just vanished. They hopped into the wife's car and drove to where they thought they last saw the man, and then drove past another mile or so. They never saw the man again.

So yeah, our congregation had its share of amazing miracles. God definitely had His hand upon our church body.

Also very fortunate the walking man knew how to do resuscitation.

louis · Jan 18, 2019

dcontroversal said:

I have heard on various occasions that during the great depression there were revivals which did perform actual healings.
Of course there were also Satans revivals at the time who performed fictitious healings for the dough.

garee · Jan 18, 2019

Dino246 said:

I would call it a different idea in respect to hermeneutics. and could use improvement as to how I offer grammatically .

If you are looking for the words "blasphemy violates the first commandment" verbatim I am sure you will not find those words in that exact order in the Bible. But it does most certainly ring true . The works of Blasphemy is violate of the commandments. The two work together as one action to form one thought.

Committing blasphemy is to violate all the commandments making them to no effect. Like certain oral traditions of men. .Just as Apostle and prophets two separate words. Prophets are sent ones(apostles) . They are not sent empty handed but are sent with the word of God, prophecy. To prophesy declare the will of God. False prophets declare their own will( Blasphemy) . Like the Jews in Jerimiah 44 . who refused to hear the word of God and believe (commit faith) But rather declared their own words as oral tradition of men. They clearly make the word of God without effect so that they can do the will of another(themselves) under the influence of god as a multitude of this world the father of lies, who name is Blasphemy (Thou shalt have no other gods before me.) Includes the father of lies.

Blasphemy defined with no other meaning attached is "to speak evil or act evil" . One of the blasphemies is by attributing the work of God to the Devil.Blasphemy is verbal or written reproach of God's name, character, work, or attributes
It is like plagiarism... attribute the authorship to another or add to it taking away the authorship .

Blasphemy below is shown by those who despise the word of the Lord, and hath broken his commandment,

But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the Lord; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Because he hath despised the word of the Lord, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.Numbers 15:31

Mathew below show those who refused to hear and believe the word of God. The faithless ones accusing the Son of man of Blasphemy correctly . But blasphemy against the Son of man was forgivable. It was not till he left that it no longer remained forgivable.

Matthew 26:64-66 King James Version (KJV)Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.

Revelation 2 adds to the witness Blasphemy violates the commandments .There we are inform that some were masquerading as inward born again Jews but they were from the synagogue of Satan also called legion as in many gods. this reflect on the first commandment to have no goods before our living God. Like in catholisicim as a example they have over 3,500 as a legion of Gods that they must call patron saints . making the word of God without effect.

Revelation 2:8-10 King James Version (KJV)8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan..

If Peter did not blaspheme the Son of man by violating the first commandment by trusting or putting the god of this world, Legion (gods) or called Satan before eternal God then what would you call the work of Peter led by the spirt of the antichrist... a slip??

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16

Peter was forgiven of His blasphemy .Today it is unforgivable against the holy Spirit not seen. That window was closed when Christ said we no longer know God as the flesh ( 2 Corinthian5:16) .God is not a man as us. .

garee · Jan 18, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Amen the same would apply to yourself . Apostles sent out two by two as a kingdom of priest sent with the gospel of Christ... revelations from God, as it is written

garee · Jan 18, 2019

stonesoffire said:

Self healing?

No man can visually see demons, as lying spirits. They have no form but can take on the form of men.

I have a eye ache when I look at the old man in the mirror it removes all doubt that I am going on 13 again and again .

I would think the warning in Colossian 2:18 would apply in respect to those things which he did not see. We walk by the unseen (faith the gift of God) the eternal not after our fleshly imaginations (2 Corinthian 4:18)

Christ as the Son of man gives us an example in Mathew 4 informing us that experience is not the validator of the unseen spiritual matters of God. Again and again three times he informs us what that authority of faith is . It is written again and again the devil disappeared

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath "not seen", vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,Colossian 2:18

TheLearner · Jan 18, 2019

Dino246 said:

Best to look at texts where the word blasphemy is used,

2 Kings 18:1-19:6 King James Version (KJV)
18 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign.

2 Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Abi, the daughter of Zachariah.

3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the Lord, according to all that David his father did.

4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

5 He trusted in the Lord God of Israel; so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor any that were before him.

6 For he clave to the Lord, and departed not from following him, but kept his commandments, which the Lord commanded Moses.

7 And the Lord was with him; and he prospered whithersoever he went forth: and he rebelled against the king of Assyria, and served him not.

8 He smote the Philistines, even unto Gaza, and the borders thereof, from the tower of the watchmen to the fenced city.

9 And it came to pass in the fourth year of king Hezekiah, which was the seventh year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Shalmaneser king of Assyria came up against Samaria, and besieged it.

10 And at the end of three years they took it: even in the sixth year of Hezekiah, that is in the ninth year of Hoshea king of Israel, Samaria was taken.

11 And the king of Assyria did carry away Israel unto Assyria, and put them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes:

12 Because they obeyed not the voice of the Lord their God, but transgressed his covenant, and all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded, and would not hear them, nor do them.

13 Now in the fourteenth year of king Hezekiah did Sennacherib king of Assyria come up against all the fenced cities of Judah, and took them.

14 And Hezekiah king of Judah sent to the king of Assyria to Lachish, saying, I have offended; return from me: that which thou puttest on me will I bear. And the king of Assyria appointed unto Hezekiah king of Judah three hundred talents of silver and thirty talents of gold.

15 And Hezekiah gave him all the silver that was found in the house of the Lord, and in the treasures of the king's house.

16 At that time did Hezekiah cut off the gold from the doors of the temple of the Lord, and from the pillars which Hezekiah king of Judah had overlaid, and gave it to the king of Assyria.

17 And the king of Assyria sent Tartan and Rabsaris and Rabshakeh from Lachish to king Hezekiah with a great host against Jerusalem. And they went up and came to Jerusalem. And when they were come up, they came and stood by the conduit of the upper pool, which is in the highway of the fuller's field.

18 And when they had called to the king, there came out to them Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, which was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and Joah the son of Asaph the recorder.

19 And Rabshakeh said unto them, Speak ye now to Hezekiah, Thus saith the great king, the king of Assyria, What confidence is this wherein thou trustest?

20 Thou sayest, (but they are but vain words,) I have counsel and strength for the war. Now on whom dost thou trust, that thou rebellest against me?

21 Now, behold, thou trustest upon the staff of this bruised reed, even upon Egypt, on which if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharaoh king of Egypt unto all that trust on him.

22 But if ye say unto me, We trust in the Lord our God: is not that he, whose high places and whose altars Hezekiah hath taken away, and hath said to Judah and Jerusalem, Ye shall worship before this altar in Jerusalem?

23 Now therefore, I pray thee, give pledges to my lord the king of Assyria, and I will deliver thee two thousand horses, if thou be able on thy part to set riders upon them.

24 How then wilt thou turn away the face of one captain of the least of my master's servants, and put thy trust on Egypt for chariots and for horsemen?

25 Am I now come up without the Lord against this place to destroy it? The Lord said to me, Go up against this land, and destroy it.

26 Then said Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and Shebna, and Joah, unto Rabshakeh, Speak, I pray thee, to thy servants in the Syrian language; for we understand it: and talk not with us in the Jews' language in the ears of the people that are on the wall.

27 But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

28 Then Rabshakeh stood and cried with a loud voice in the Jews' language, and spake, saying, Hear the word of the great king, the king of Assyria:

29 Thus saith the king, Let not Hezekiah deceive you: for he shall not be able to deliver you out of his hand:

30 Neither let Hezekiah make you trust in the Lord, saying, The Lord will surely deliver us, and this city shall not be delivered into the hand of the king of Assyria.

31 Hearken not to Hezekiah: for thus saith the king of Assyria, Make an agreement with me by a present, and come out to me, and then eat ye every man of his own vine, and every one of his fig tree, and drink ye every one the waters of his cistern:

32 Until I come and take you away to a land like your own land, a land of corn and wine, a land of bread and vineyards, a land of oil olive and of honey, that ye may live, and not die: and hearken not unto Hezekiah, when he persuadeth you, saying, The Lord will deliver us.

33 Hath any of the gods of the nations delivered at all his land out of the hand of the king of Assyria?

34 Where are the gods of Hamath, and of Arpad? where are the gods of Sepharvaim, Hena, and Ivah? have they delivered Samaria out of mine hand?

35 Who are they among all the gods of the countries, that have delivered their country out of mine hand, that the Lord should deliver Jerusalem out of mine hand?

36 But the people held their peace, and answered him not a word: for the king's commandment was, saying, Answer him not.

37 Then came Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, which was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and Joah the son of Asaph the recorder, to Hezekiah with their clothes rent, and told him the words of Rabshakeh.

19 And it came to pass, when king Hezekiah heard it, that he rent his clothes, and covered himself with sackcloth, and went into the house of the Lord.

2 And he sent Eliakim, which was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and the elders of the priests, covered with sackcloth, to Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz.

3 And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day is a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and blasphemy; for the children are come to the birth, and there is not strength to bring forth.

4 It may be the Lord thy God will hear all the words of Rabshakeh, whom the king of Assyria his master hath sent to reproach the living God; and will reprove the words which the Lord thy God hath heard: wherefore lift up thy prayer for the remnant that are left.

5 So the servants of king Hezekiah came to Isaiah.

6 And Isaiah said unto them, Thus shall ye say to your master, Thus saith the Lord, Be not afraid of the words which thou hast heard, with which the servants of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.

TheLearner · Jan 18, 2019

Isaiah 37:3 And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day is a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and of blasphemy: for the children are come to the birth, and there is not strength to bring forth.

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Matthew 26:65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

TheLearner · Jan 18, 2019

I guess it would be worth the time to discuss each text.

RickyZ · Jan 18, 2019

garee said:

I cannot reconcile such a thing in scripture, and believe these acts are part of the dog and pony show.

garee · Jan 18, 2019

TheLearner said:

I would offer. The work of God working in us to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness is not to be attributed to any man. But does apply to any disciple( student of Christ) sent as apostles with the word of God. We in that way are not to think of the apostles above that which is written or equal to it. Something the Catholics call "apostolic succession" making the word of God to no effect with the traditions of men they call fathers

Its there that the antichrists as false apostles can get their foot in the door. No super saints or hall of fame as if God was a respecter of persons. we all have or favorites just as we have our favorite teachers But one is our master teacher in heaven alone as our father not seen

What applies to those disciples as apostles applied to us today .As we declare the revelations of God the gospel he alone can cause growth if any .

Disciples as sent ones (apostles ) can plant the incorruptible seed of God's word and water it with the water of the word the doctrines of God

I think it is another of what I call think not doctrines needed so that we do not eat to much honey or look for honey in men . he uses two apostles to help us understand not to venerate saints for the work of performs in them

1 Corinthians 4:6-7 King James Version (KJV And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

We are not to glory in the flesh of men seen .He defines the us that makes us, us.

I think it would be imposible to even think of humbling oneself under the word of God without God. He must do the first work giving us the gift of faith by which we could understand him not seen and therefore the wisdom to seek after Him

garee · Jan 18, 2019

RickyZ said:

I am kind of slow...Not sure what you meant by....these acts are part of the dog and pony show?

TheLearner · Jan 18, 2019

garee said:

"What applies to those disciples as apostles applied to us today " is not a true statement because we at this time are post resurrection.

Those words were in context spoken to the Apostles alone.

Using your logic, then we would be breaking God's 613 Laws if we did not build a fence around the edge our roofs.

Deuteronomy 22:8 Good News Translation (GNT)
8 “When you build a new house, be sure to put a railing around the edge of the roof. Then you will not be responsible if someone falls off and is killed.

Deuteronomy 22:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.

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