Again more personal opinion and let me guess...only tongue talkers understand the word.....yeah right!
Praying in Tongues
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Again more personal opinion and let me guess...only tongue talkers understand the word.....yeah right!
Wisdom is the proper application of knowledge.....we gain biblical knowledge from the word of God and when we apply the word we are exercising Godly wisdom...
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. We have the mind of Christ and all we need in the written word.
Nothing of value and take your own advice in the last line...................and maybe read my next post on prayer....I never said we are not to pray!
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7seasrekeyed
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can you tell the truth of what actually went down?
convenient memory loss?
the op posted about praying in tongues..you joined in and started saying derogatory things about speaking in tongues...let alone praying in tongues...calling it mumbo jumbo etc
your word is not scripture and neither are your opinions
it seems you cannot even keep straight what actually occurred and you try to turn the tables
this was a positive thread. you and others have turned it into the usual arguing/debating diatribe that you are so good at
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7seasrekeyed
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not at all
just more of your bias and your personal opinion
follow your own advice yeah right...
no one ever said only those who speak and or pray/sing i tongues are the only ones who understand the word
that is just more of your rhetoric and desire to argue
yes and the bible also says to every man is the measure of faith, is the knowledge that is not new ever new to the one who hears it? Or not?
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7seasrekeyed
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you just can't stand the fact people have a positive witness for praying in tongues
ask God to forgive your stubborn heart and your pride and maybe you can have the same witness
sadly, you just keep repeating yourself with nothing of value to add and to think this was a good thread with a positive lean until you and several others did what you usually do...scoff at what the Bible says is a gift from God
you have your own understanding and it is not biblical
what you said about prayer was this: And if GOD knew, why would he need you when he can drop a bible in her lap at any moment
you were mocking someone who had prayed in tongues
you were being sarcastic
you have quite the attitude. no need to be sarcastic and mocking. enough you seem to despise what others value
Get your facts straight.........I made a generalized post about which church had an issue with these things which was factual and then railed on the mumbo jumbo passed off as tongues today........and YOU and a few others went off on me, and I was not even addressing any of you.....please get your facts straight and be honest for once in your life
Sure you did.....and you are not the only one to accuse of not UNDERSTANDING the word........get some honesty will ya......serious
7seasrekeyed said:
you do not understand the biblical instructions, say the opposite of what Paul wrote and conclude no more tongues
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7seasrekeyed
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you are in denial
anyone can read what you wrote
that big 'I am innocent' paintbrush you like to pull out whenever anyone calls you on the way you post, is really getting old
no one went off on you dude. you think you should have the last word and get upset when you don't
you make personal comments like 'be honest for once in your life' or 'get a life'
those are simply ad hominum attacks and the lazy person's way of turning a debate into an argument
Sure it is new to the one that has not heard it....Key word HEARD IT <---How shall they hear except one be sent......it is the preaching of the word of GOD that imparts knowledge.......the bible is complete, there is no need of a new revelation and or some super natural imparted knowledge.....the bible is clear....the HOLY Spirit is what leads, guides in the truth......
One preaches and or one reads the word and the Holy Spirit gives understanding........and like it states above....HOW shall they hear UNLESS one be SENT........??
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7seasrekeyed
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and?
it's still true
grow up and stop the ad hominum attacks which you know you do and hope to get an arguement going when you do so
try some maturity.
someone else can answer your timeless intelligence...and self absorbed opinions...for now
that is if they care to
Pretty sad.....most people on here that disagree at least have some honesty....you on the other hand are one that lacks the ability to just be honest and admit.....whatever! And for the record...who is upset.......Honesty will set you free....but hey........it is obvious that you cannot admit what I was and will continue to stand against.....the mumbo jumbo passed off as tongues in most churches that claim it.....
Tell you what......go to a Korean assembly where no one speaks English and stand up and speak fluent Korean and witness to them in a manner that brings glory to God......or better yet....invite a few of them into your assembly......stand up and speak fluent Korean and make sure another member can translate for the English speaking members.........
I am against the MUMBO JUMBO that is passed off as tongues....the word MEANS LANGUAGES and that being LANGUAGES that MEN can speak........why is it so hard for this truth to be embraced?????
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAA look at you......point one finger at me with 4 pointing back at yourself.....two Greek words are translated into the word HYPOCRITE..........
Not only that but tongues God prophesying the word of God, prophecy in many languages ,is a two way gift ...not self edifying as in self righteousness.
Speaking fluently in Korean when only knowing English is one aspect but the other would spkeak fluid English only knowing Korean so that they could understand each other. It takes two people understanding each other to complete a conversation .As God moves one giving His interpretation he moves the other as a mutual gift. Its how the gospel was spread to other nations.
If then I don’t know the meaning of the sound, I would be to him who speaks a foreigner, and he who speaks would be a foreigner to me. 1 Corinthains 14
No, I don’t believe it is. There are many examples of the same glossic string being played to several different people – no two interpretations were ever similar enough to each other to suggest a commonality with only one original utterance.
Yes, you’re correct; an interpretation is not a translation; however, even with interpretation of one language to another, despite minor differences, the meaning/interpretation is essentially one in the same. Enough to know each came from the same source. This doesn’t happen with ‘tongues’.
“The big brown dog is slow” can never be “the small white cat is quick” which is typically what you get with respect to interpretations for the same glossic string. It’s spiritual improv. It’s based on what one is feeling is being communicated at the moment.
Again, if those ten different people all offered a very similar interpretation, close enough to demonstrate that they clearly all came from one original source, I’d be inclined to agree with what you’re saying; but that’s just not the reality of the situation.
You’re twisting the definition of the concept of ‘interpretation’ to fit the idea of modern tongues and interpretation. You can’ t have multiple, completely unrelated, interpretations for the same utterance – if that were the case, there wouldn’t ever be need of the original utterance. Neither language nor communication in general works that way. As people are keen to quote to me “God is not the author of confusion”.
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7seasrekeyed
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your post 554
The tragic truth......the only church in the N.T. that had an issue with the gifts and like today BOASTED of the ability to speak tongues, was the spiritually immature Corinthian assembly that had some 15 errors.........and it took over three chapters to correct their error.........many of the same errors are found within churches today that make a big deal of speaking in tongues and I am not saying this based upon bias and or a lack of info as I have many family and friends that attend these types of churches. Paul was clear and so is the verbiage found in the Corinthian letter.....if ONE is going to covet a GIFT Paul said to covet the BEST gift and tongues was not it........
I fully expect those that push tongues to argue against the truth..........
Fail, cease and vanish away are clear, so is the word perfect as applied to a 1st Century Greek speaking believer.
Super natural knowledge is no longer needed due to the completed bible
Prophecy is no longer needed due to the completed bible and the last BOOK of Prophecy
And tongues has devolved into some mumbo jumbo that does nothing for the hearer......
When one can stand and speak fluent Mandarin with zero training in an open assembly with another to translate for the sake of a Chinese visitor that does not speak ENGLISH then the true meaning of tongues as applied in the 1st Century will be evident.
Why is it so hard for the truth to be accepted.
another ad hominum attack
you deliver words that are derogatory concerning a gift God gives and then get upset when people disagree with you
it's not your version of the truth that is truth. it's God's word that is truth
I called you on the way you mock tongues and since then, you have called me a liar
you dish it out but you cannot take it
again, you post ad hominum attacks...personal attacks...such as calling me a liar...no scripture...just your own desire to argue and make problems here for people who do not agree with you.
it's really childish
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7seasrekeyed
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the truth is, that you only partially quote what Paul says regarding tongues. Paul said do not forbid speaking in tongues and he was correcting a church that obviously needed it, BUT in your desire to quash tongues, you change what Paul says
you should stop calling others untruthful when you cannot even be true to what scripture says and only partially quote Paul to make it seem you make your case from him...but in fact, Paul said the following:
13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say.
14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.
16 Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer, say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying?
17 You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. I Corinthians 1
To reiterate something I've posted in the past -
Note the following:
/mɛ’na xajlɛ’j xala’ja, mɛnxa’j ɛlɛji’ɛ lɛ lɛ’j xomue’mənti ei’ nana’j kɛ’rɛš ka’muean.
E ma’jɛ leli’ ɛl ku’eu, ijɛn če I’rara kani’ški kui’aj mu ma’j ka’nə pe’u irara’.
E xala’ xalaj’ə xale’lɪn jɪ’lɪleku ilæ ko’j mu maj pemɪnɪ’ški.
Ke’to ilɛ itiɛnana’j fɛni’ xuj maxa’j ɛxɛlæ’.
E xala’j xale’j xala’maj i’əlɛgi’ ɛrɛxu’ i ɛmama’j iə ti ɛnɛnɛ’j tɪ’ški ku’j emamata’mbɛtæ’./
/Ribababaší toromó kijɛtɛ’j. Makjandarabá šandorobó kjáta. Satará kandorobó kirɪbáka:. Ribandarabá šandí ko kararibíš. Sitíŋ garabáš šandarabó kondiká. Mánda kašikarandorobó šija:tí. Mararabá ŋarabɔ’:š. Šití koró gəgəšɪ’ndarabakjá. Mándi kísi turukí karabáš:. Diribí šíti karabá torobó kɪ’ndi. Ríbababá šɪ’tɛ ka: šandorobó kɪ’ta. Masíta katórobo šɪ’ti ka:. Šɪ’kandaraba kókɛj. Makjáraba šándorobó kjánta. Šɪtí kiribá šúndurubú kja. Mándaraba katarabá: dokó šɪtí. Murijaté kándarabá šandurú ku. Síti korábabababá ndoró:./
/kénte héči, héči kího hóro/
/máča kité la móčo/
/rána mačé ne kitá lau/
/rɛ’na še kí na máto/
These are three separate examples of transcribed "tongues" from three different speakers (transcribed using a simple IPA).
Word boundaries and sentences are completely arbitrary and are based on the stops and pauses of the speakers.
If there is is language and meaning with any of the above, I'd sure like to know where it is.
Note the following:
/mɛ’na xajlɛ’j xala’ja, mɛnxa’j ɛlɛji’ɛ lɛ lɛ’j xomue’mənti ei’ nana’j kɛ’rɛš ka’muean.
E ma’jɛ leli’ ɛl ku’eu, ijɛn če I’rara kani’ški kui’aj mu ma’j ka’nə pe’u irara’.
E xala’ xalaj’ə xale’lɪn jɪ’lɪleku ilæ ko’j mu maj pemɪnɪ’ški.
Ke’to ilɛ itiɛnana’j fɛni’ xuj maxa’j ɛxɛlæ’.
E xala’j xale’j xala’maj i’əlɛgi’ ɛrɛxu’ i ɛmama’j iə ti ɛnɛnɛ’j tɪ’ški ku’j emamata’mbɛtæ’./
/Ribababaší toromó kijɛtɛ’j. Makjandarabá šandorobó kjáta. Satará kandorobó kirɪbáka:. Ribandarabá šandí ko kararibíš. Sitíŋ garabáš šandarabó kondiká. Mánda kašikarandorobó šija:tí. Mararabá ŋarabɔ’:š. Šití koró gəgəšɪ’ndarabakjá. Mándi kísi turukí karabáš:. Diribí šíti karabá torobó kɪ’ndi. Ríbababá šɪ’tɛ ka: šandorobó kɪ’ta. Masíta katórobo šɪ’ti ka:. Šɪ’kandaraba kókɛj. Makjáraba šándorobó kjánta. Šɪtí kiribá šúndurubú kja. Mándaraba katarabá: dokó šɪtí. Murijaté kándarabá šandurú ku. Síti korábabababá ndoró:./
/kénte héči, héči kího hóro/
/máča kité la móčo/
/rána mačé ne kitá lau/
/rɛ’na še kí na máto/
These are three separate examples of transcribed "tongues" from three different speakers (transcribed using a simple IPA).
Word boundaries and sentences are completely arbitrary and are based on the stops and pauses of the speakers.
If there is is language and meaning with any of the above, I'd sure like to know where it is.