Praying in Tongues

obedienttogod · Jan 13, 2019

HAHAHAHA

Let's see:

He was a cloud protecting the Hebrews out of Egypt, a Pillar of Light at night for them, a Bird, a Burning Bush...

But here is what is cool:
While the ONE GOD is being the Son getting baptized, the Dove descending, the Voice speaking, He was still making sure the planets were rotating, the sun was shining, the moon was reflecting, the weather was as it should be all over the earth, performing miracles in peoples daily lives like He does ours, being ALL KNOWING, ALL SEEING, ALL EVERYWHERE, and the other trillion things He does each day....ALL AT THE SAME TIME....

and we have the NERVE to limit God to specifics HAHAHA

ARE WE THAT INSANE?

stonesoffire · Jan 13, 2019

Noose said:

He used the word representations Noose. Three flowing of the One God. Unified. That doesn't make Jesus Father...Jesus has a human body.

posthuman · Jan 13, 2019

Noose said:

one can be combinatorial - i.e. 'counting the number of'
one can be ordinal - i.e. 'first'
similarly one can indicate primacy - perhaps not first in a time-related sense but 'greatest' e.g. '#1 in quality'
once can indicate unity - i.e. 'of one mind' or 'one purpose' or 'together as one voice'
one can express equivalence - of person i.e. 'batman and bruce wayne are one and the same' or of authority, power, stature, worth etc

that's off top of my head, 5 meanings for 'one'
as i understand what you said, Noose, both of the meanings you gave are actually only 'one' meaning - the combinatorial sense.

stonesoffire · Jan 13, 2019

obedienttogod said:

Am not sure if we are agreeing here either. The very fact that Jesus said Father is greater makes them 2 plus Son is mentioned in the OT. Ask me concerning my Son.

I don't think our humanity can fully explain this. However, it is the goal of Holy Spirit to make us one with them. That's why I use the word flowing. We will flow continuously with Him at the catching up. At least that is what I think at this point.

And when used now in a gifting? And being full of the Holy Ghost, Peter spoke....is how I see this.

stonesoffire · Jan 13, 2019

This came to me several years back. It was not my thought, it just came but I can't say God said because I didn't hear His Voice within me.

If there ever was a time that Father first Spoke....Son became. Same as action. If there ever was a first time Father performed....Holy Spirit moved. God is eternal then and He creates. They remained and continued.

Noose · Jan 13, 2019

obedienttogod said:

No, i'm not that insane.

Do you know what's even cooler? the baptism event (the voice and the dove) were in the spirit, meaning that only John the baptist and Jesus saw the dove and heard the voice, no one else. A trillion things can happen in the spirit at the same time; doesn;t in any way prove trinity.

In another passage, the spirit could not come unless Jesus goes and if Jesus goes, the spirit comes- leaving the burning question, how distinct are they?

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19In a little while, the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you also will live.

John 16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is for your benefit that I am going away.Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

1. The advocate was already there with the disciples and they knew Him
2. But Jesus had to go for the advocate to come in them yet the advocate was already there with them
3. Jesus doesn't leave them comfortless, He comes back to them shortly

To me, this means one thing, Jesus claims to be the advocate. If the advocate was a separate person or being as you want me to believe then He would just come in them without Jesus going and could also do a trillion things at the same time.

obedienttogod · Jan 13, 2019

stonesoffire said:

Don't get me wrong here, Like I explained already that Yeshua (the NAME) proves to us the TRIUNE characteristic of our ONE TRUE GOD!!

I am just stating that God can do anything He wants. And if He wanted to be ONE PERSON in 3 manifestations, He could be. If He wanted to be ONE GOD in 3 identities, He could be. He can be whatever He wants to be and WE ARE ONLY GUESSING HERE.

I already provided 3 scriptures of English Translation vs Original Translation and proved the English makes us see things THAT ARE NOT THERE!!

It is a mystery.

From the English we believe it's possible of 3 persons, but the Original calls the Holy Spirit an (IT)...you DO NOT CALL a person an (IT) if it's an actual person!!

This is why I do not buy what the English Translation claims, because it adds personalities that the Original does not claim!!

obedienttogod · Jan 13, 2019

obedienttogod said:

Here is the PROOF:

The English Translation:

John 16:
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

The ORIGINAL TRANSLATION:
John 16:
13 Yet whenever that may be coming - the spirit of truth -it will be guiding you into all the truth, for it will not be speaking from itself, but whatsoever it should be hearing will it be speaking, and of what is coming will it be informing you."

14 That will be glorifying Me, seeing that of Mine will it be getting, and informing you."

*******NOTICE HOW THE ORIGINAL TRANSLATION CALLS THE HOLY SPIRIT (IT)*******
*******NOTICE HOW THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION CALLS THE HOLY SPIRIT (HE)*******

IF you want the TRUTH you need to read the ORIGINAL TRANSLATION!!

YOU DO NOT CALL A PERSON AN (IT)!! The original calls the Holy Spirit and (IT). So, according to the Original Translation, the Holy Spirit (IT) cannot be a person!!

stonesoffire · Jan 13, 2019

Noose said:

No, i'm not that insane.

Do you know what's even cooler? the baptism event (the voice and the dove) were in the spirit, meaning that only John the baptist and Jesus saw the dove and heard the voice, no one else. A trillion things can happen in the spirit at the same time; doesn;t in any way prove trinity.

In another passage, the spirit could not come unless Jesus goes and if Jesus goes, the spirit comes- leaving the burning question, how distinct are they?

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19In a little while, the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you also will live.

John 16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is for your benefit that I am going away.Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

1. The advocate was already there with the disciples and they knew Him
2. But Jesus had to go for the advocate to come in them yet the advocate was already there with them
3. Jesus doesn't leave them comfortless, He comes back to them shortly

To me, this means one thing, Jesus claims to be the advocate. If the advocate was a separate person or being as you want me to believe then He would just come in them without Jesus going and could also do a trillion things at the same time.

Then what does God coming into flesh mean to you noose. Interesting choice of a name by the way.

posthuman · Jan 13, 2019

posthuman said:

in a computer science context, in certain contexts of math, and in other logical disciplines, one means 'true' or 'present / existing' and zero conversely means 'false' or 'not present / not existing'
- e.g. binary logic gate, [1, 0] is the machine language equivalent of the programming language [TRUE, FALSE]
in some specific disciplines in math, 'one' means 'unit' - i.e. an unscaled value of amplitude so that for example you can talk about a vector in a general sense of direction in a way that remains true for any length vector, where specific cases are only a matter of scaling
- e.g. the unit vectors usually written as <i, j, k> representing the directions [x, y, z] all have Euclidean distance measure 1
in the more general language of algebra, 'one' means the 'identity' element, which must be present in certain basic structures; by definition the element '1' in a space ((also written 'I' for identity)) which for some operation 'x' for any A in the space, (A)x(I) = A -- that is, 'one' is the element under the operation that 'preserves' all elements in the space
- if the operation is addition on the real numbers, the 'one' or 'identity/preservation' element is actually zero. for any number A, A + 0 = A
- under multiplication on the real numbers, 'one/identity' is the number, one -- because A*1 = A

let's see, that was 5 definitions in my first post and 3 in this one -- so far i've proven 1 ≥ 8

context is a very important part of math hehe

stonesoffire · Jan 13, 2019

obedienttogod said:

I do not disagree. Is why I check many bibles, plus compare scripture with scripture. I love to study and I love the Hebrew language. You almost have to go back to hieroglyphics to understand though. Lol

Do you have the complete bible in Hebrew? Or translated from Hebrew.

Noose · Jan 13, 2019

posthuman said:

This is breaking the term 'one' into finer trivial details but generally just two meanings:

1. Single unit; which implies a something with a boundary/limit that separate it from the next and could have a form (shape and size).
Example- One house is one because we can see it starts here and end there.
Example- One kilogram/ one liter/ one ohm- they have observable boundaries that separate them from 2 kilos/ 2 liters

2. Alone; means isolated or unique.

You have broken down these two to finer details which i have no problem with; like saying one means unity and an example is unity of mind. This phrase simply means the people have been united by their thoughts which are within a limit, any person who has a different thought can not be one with them because they are off the boundaries.

And also first means someone holds a unique position; unique from second position.

My main point was that oneness of God has nothing to do with limits rather God is alone/unique and nothing compares.

obedienttogod · Jan 13, 2019

stonesoffire said:

Very intelligent of you!!

I have the Torah (Old Testament), Talmud (which is reference only), the Greek for the (New Testament) from Acts to Revelation's, The Hebrew/Aramaic for the Gospels, plus 3 different Concordances. Plus my English Bibles that are clearly not translated properly.

obedienttogod · Jan 13, 2019

I will catch up, I need to finish some work before I can sit here and chat

stonesoffire · Jan 13, 2019

obedienttogod said:

Just one thing came to me. The person of Holy Spirit is action. God moving doing His will. That would be the it wouldn't it? He's called the comforter. He lights up our Spirit with God. And He has come alongside of us and anoints us to move in His power,

And He hugged me once. Rapture is how I explain the feeling. No words can describe. He definitely has arms.

posthuman · Jan 13, 2019

Noose said:

'a single unit' and 'an isolated unit' are equivalent definitions. they're both combinatorial; you're only using 'one' in terms of 'measuring how many' -- by assigning a combinatorial value you're limiting quantitative number but saying 'nothing compares' to God you're making a qualitative statement: God is 'one' in more than a quantitative sense.

Noose · Jan 13, 2019

posthuman said:

in a computer science context, in certain contexts of math, and in other logical disciplines, one means 'true' or 'present / existing' and zero conversely means 'false' or 'not present / not existing'
- e.g. binary logic gate, [1, 0] is the machine language equivalent of the programming language [TRUE, FALSE]
in some specific disciplines in math, 'one' means 'unit' - i.e. an unscaled value of amplitude so that for example you can talk about a vector in a general sense of direction in a way that remains true for any length vector, where specific cases are only a matter of scaling
- e.g. the unit vectors usually written as <i, j, k> representing the directions [x, y, z] all have Euclidean distance measure 1
in the more general language of algebra, 'one' means the 'identity' element, which must be present in certain basic structures; by definition the element '1' in a space ((also written 'I' for identity)) which for some operation 'x' for any A in the space, (A)x(I) = A -- that is, 'one' is the element under the operation that 'preserves' all elements in the space
- if the operation is addition on the real numbers, the 'one' or 'identity/preservation' element is actually zero. for any number A, A + 0 = A
- under multiplication on the real numbers, 'one/identity' is the number, one -- because A*1 = A

let's see, that was 5 definitions in my first post and 3 in this one -- so far i've proven 1 ≥ 8

context is a very important part of math hehe

You can make the term 'one' to mean anything depending on what you want to accomplish but does any one of these definitions describe God?

stonesoffire · Jan 13, 2019

Altogether He is lovely...out of one of the Psalms. Must go feed dogs and self. Ruff ruff..

obedienttogod · Jan 13, 2019

stonesoffire said:

Look at what Jesus did, as the WORD created everything, on earth performed miracles plus died-buried-resurrected.

The Pharisees said He did these things by the power of the Devil.

Jesus in Matthew 12:28 said He did them by the SPIRIT of God whom He clarified as the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) in verses 31/32.

28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

So Jesus is telling us the Holy Spirit is the actual Power of God!! And why if you claim the Power of God is equal to the power of Satan you have committed Blasphemy!!

And we have have God's Power via the Holy Spirit through the GIFTS!!

So clearly, the Power of God is the Holy Spirit and to make it equal to Satan is eternal damnation!!

O I must go hahahaha

Noose · Jan 13, 2019

posthuman said:

Nope, that's not what i meant.
When i say God is alone, i'm implying His attributes and not a qualitative sense.
He is the only creator doesn't means His creation work is the best compared to others in a qualitative way. Simply means there's not other creator or saviour or eternal being e.t.c

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