These are two very different things.... a saved believer who continues to drink... will reap what he sows
a weak liver
wasting the money God provides him
maybe fights or conflict
as well as reproof from brothers and sisters
and whatever other physical trials come from his behavior
..... none of this is God chastening him
though God can use these things for good TO chasten him and show him truths
God chastens us as a Father chastens His children.....
if my son started a fight and got a black eye... that black eye is reaping what he has sown
my scolding to make sure he knows what he did was wrong
and to listen to me and do better.... that is my chastening
Hebrews 12:6-11
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
proverbs 3
11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
this is done through Him working in us
and us hearing Him.... even if not audible
we know by the Holy spirit we have done wrong
and we
as His children
are grieved
not ashamed of His gospel
not ashamed of His grace
but ashamed of our slanted walk
wether a son/daughter has little fruit
or salt has little flavor
or light has little shine
if it is His
He will worry about this ones salvation
He will judge this ones walk
but He will keep them by HIS power
and will not lose even one of His children
...as He has said
a weak liver
wasting the money God provides him
maybe fights or conflict
as well as reproof from brothers and sisters
and whatever other physical trials come from his behavior
..... none of this is God chastening him
though God can use these things for good TO chasten him and show him truths
God chastens us as a Father chastens His children.....
if my son started a fight and got a black eye... that black eye is reaping what he has sown
my scolding to make sure he knows what he did was wrong
and to listen to me and do better.... that is my chastening
Hebrews 12:6-11
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
proverbs 3
11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
this is done through Him working in us
and us hearing Him.... even if not audible
we know by the Holy spirit we have done wrong
and we
as His children
are grieved
not ashamed of His gospel
not ashamed of His grace
but ashamed of our slanted walk
wether a son/daughter has little fruit
or salt has little flavor
or light has little shine
if it is His
He will worry about this ones salvation
He will judge this ones walk
but He will keep them by HIS power
and will not lose even one of His children
...as He has said
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