Is Catholocism bad?
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Because of writings like this:
“…Peter, on whom the Church was to be built, speaks there, teaching and showing in the name of the Church, that although a rebellious and arrogant multitude of those who will not hear and obey may depart, yet the Church does not depart from Christ; and they are the Church who are a people united to the priest, and the flock that adheres to its pastor. You ought to know that the bishop is in the Church, and the Church in the bishop; and if anyone be not with the bishop, then he is not in the Church…” (Cyprian of Carthage, Letter 68, c. A.D. 254)
You can search this on google, but here is one link: https://epicpew.com/early-church-fathers-said/
“…Peter, on whom the Church was to be built, speaks there, teaching and showing in the name of the Church, that although a rebellious and arrogant multitude of those who will not hear and obey may depart, yet the Church does not depart from Christ; and they are the Church who are a people united to the priest, and the flock that adheres to its pastor. You ought to know that the bishop is in the Church, and the Church in the bishop; and if anyone be not with the bishop, then he is not in the Church…” (Cyprian of Carthage, Letter 68, c. A.D. 254)
You can search this on google, but here is one link: https://epicpew.com/early-church-fathers-said/
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You just proved my point that I made in this post: https://christianchat.com/threads/is-catholocism-bad.181857/post-3812755 (Check it out)
You are one of these two guys that I knew of. Who read the early church fathers, concluded they said things similar to catholicism and then got convinced it was original Christianity.
Do you see the problem with this? You are using EXTRA-BIBLICAL writings (that survived the era of catholic tyranny) to prove the catholic church is the one true church. So you are using things outside of the bible to prove things outside of the Bible.
I have read the early church fathers and Luther is MUCH MORE in line with them than the Roman catholics! Nobody prayed to mary or saints among the ECFs nor in their writings.
https://carm.org/list-of-roman-catholic-false-teachings
When we go to the SCRIPTURES catholicism is easily debunked:
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God" -Exodus 20:3 (their statue bowing of Mary, etc debunked)
"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." -Matthew 23:9 (their priesthood debunked)
"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." —Matthew 6:7 (Rosary debunked)
"there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." [1 Timothy 2:5] (prayers to Mary and saints debunked, only ONE mediator)
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." -1 Timothy 4:1-3 (Sound familiar? Priests cant marry and you cant eat meat on certain days, CATHOLICISM DEBUNKED)
You are one of these two guys that I knew of. Who read the early church fathers, concluded they said things similar to catholicism and then got convinced it was original Christianity.
Do you see the problem with this? You are using EXTRA-BIBLICAL writings (that survived the era of catholic tyranny) to prove the catholic church is the one true church. So you are using things outside of the bible to prove things outside of the Bible.
I have read the early church fathers and Luther is MUCH MORE in line with them than the Roman catholics! Nobody prayed to mary or saints among the ECFs nor in their writings.
https://carm.org/list-of-roman-catholic-false-teachings
When we go to the SCRIPTURES catholicism is easily debunked:
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God" -Exodus 20:3 (their statue bowing of Mary, etc debunked)
"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." -Matthew 23:9 (their priesthood debunked)
"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." —Matthew 6:7 (Rosary debunked)
"there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." [1 Timothy 2:5] (prayers to Mary and saints debunked, only ONE mediator)
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." -1 Timothy 4:1-3 (Sound familiar? Priests cant marry and you cant eat meat on certain days, CATHOLICISM DEBUNKED)
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False information here.
The protestants broke off in the 1500s. Prior to that, in the 1000s there was "the great chism" between what we call eastern orthodox and roman catholic today.
ALSO: There were CHRISTIANS during the 400s and 600s and 900s that WERE NOT roman catholics. But guess what happened to them? They were PERSECUTED by these great roman catholics.
The protestants broke off in the 1500s. Prior to that, in the 1000s there was "the great chism" between what we call eastern orthodox and roman catholic today.
ALSO: There were CHRISTIANS during the 400s and 600s and 900s that WERE NOT roman catholics. But guess what happened to them? They were PERSECUTED by these great roman catholics.
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the ROMAN Catholic church did not canonize our bible.
The church at the council of Nicea which is often pointed to was called catholic, but it wasnt ROMAN catholic like we have today. The early church fathers quote all the 27 books of new testament BEFORE anything was officially canonized.
https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible
Here is a good article on it.
And are catholics our brothers and sisters in Christ? It depends on the catholic. Some catholics dont care about their doctrine too much, and are just floating along, i'll give that a pass. But the ones that are "initiated" into it, like the Jesuits or the high up priests, I would definately NOT consider them brothers in Christ.
The church at the council of Nicea which is often pointed to was called catholic, but it wasnt ROMAN catholic like we have today. The early church fathers quote all the 27 books of new testament BEFORE anything was officially canonized.
https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible
Here is a good article on it.
And are catholics our brothers and sisters in Christ? It depends on the catholic. Some catholics dont care about their doctrine too much, and are just floating along, i'll give that a pass. But the ones that are "initiated" into it, like the Jesuits or the high up priests, I would definately NOT consider them brothers in Christ.
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Funny, I didn't know the Catholics were Jewish...
Romans 3:1-2 NASBS
[1] Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? [2] Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.
But as is typical Rome tries to usurp what is not hers. lol
Romans 3:1-2 NASBS
[1] Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? [2] Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.
But as is typical Rome tries to usurp what is not hers. lol
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When the church started at the very first the had the truth then quickly lost it. Do a full history search and you will find this to be true. From worship of saints,to Mary being able to save to indulgences. They lost their way. Listen to any of them talk about their Pope,clear to see they are in error.
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True sister, true.
Paul himself warned about this, and notice he didnt say it would take a milllennium for Luther to mess it all up, notice the time frame people:
Acts 20:29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
So this was to happen during the 1st century! Already then were the ravenous wolves entering the FLOCK.
Paul himself warned about this, and notice he didnt say it would take a milllennium for Luther to mess it all up, notice the time frame people:
Acts 20:29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
So this was to happen during the 1st century! Already then were the ravenous wolves entering the FLOCK.
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That would be like saying. So, do you deny the historical fact that the Holy Spirit moved men to prophecy ?Or did God move Balaam's Ass to bring prophecy?
God is not served by human hands he can move a unbeliever to bring his gospel as easily as one that is born again
Why would we desire to attribute the work of God to men and venerate worship men ? Thats a Catholic thing. They cannot even agree a person must be born again until they finish their work in purgatory..
We must bring the gospel to them .they serve another gospel another Christ (Pope) in respect to the things of men seen (no faith)
God is not served by human hands he can move a unbeliever to bring his gospel as easily as one that is born again
Why would we desire to attribute the work of God to men and venerate worship men ? Thats a Catholic thing. They cannot even agree a person must be born again until they finish their work in purgatory..
We must bring the gospel to them .they serve another gospel another Christ (Pope) in respect to the things of men seen (no faith)
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Just off topic I wonder what kind of replies I would get if I asked the question...is SDA a good church? As they are known for being virulently anti-catholic. I kind of think they are similar in many respects, both have teachings of man to interpet the Bible, both have their own schools, both dont associate with anyone who doesnt believe in their own doctrines...which seem to change all the time. Both have programs one a catechism and the other an extensive arguments and initiations to establish themselves as claiming to be the ONE TRUE CHURCH.
With the catholics, its very hard to tell them the gospel if they have been following a false one all this time.
But we need to pray for them all the same because being in bondage to a man-made religious organisation is basically the same as being in a cult. Ditto for sdas.
Some of the conversations ive had with both parties have been crazy. When talking about spiritual matters they will parrot what theyve been brainswashed into thinking its like talking with politicians who will always defend their own party. The Bible does tell us to keep away from people bringing a false gospel they are hypocrites for that is what one becomes if joining them.
With the catholics, its very hard to tell them the gospel if they have been following a false one all this time.
But we need to pray for them all the same because being in bondage to a man-made religious organisation is basically the same as being in a cult. Ditto for sdas.
Some of the conversations ive had with both parties have been crazy. When talking about spiritual matters they will parrot what theyve been brainswashed into thinking its like talking with politicians who will always defend their own party. The Bible does tell us to keep away from people bringing a false gospel they are hypocrites for that is what one becomes if joining them.
Good or not must compare to the bible. If It is inline with the bible than It is good otherwise It need correction. We love the people, because Jesus say love your enemy,
Some people say love mean not judge, I do not know what they mean by judge. When we see our son or daughter go to hell, we Will do what ever we can to tell them that he walk to the direction of hell, because we love them. They may mad but we still love them.
Some people think love mean : keep going son, you in the right path. Just not to hurt his feeling you let him hurt in the hell forever. That is not love, that is hate
To love is to tell, you are deceived, you are cheated, run son, run from the Lucifer religion, come to Jesus. That is love
Some people say love mean not judge, I do not know what they mean by judge. When we see our son or daughter go to hell, we Will do what ever we can to tell them that he walk to the direction of hell, because we love them. They may mad but we still love them.
Some people think love mean : keep going son, you in the right path. Just not to hurt his feeling you let him hurt in the hell forever. That is not love, that is hate
To love is to tell, you are deceived, you are cheated, run son, run from the Lucifer religion, come to Jesus. That is love
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